Jack Weber Posted June 16, 2012 Report Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) On the other end of the spectrum his name is mud in Rural Ontario because of the Slots at the Racetrack problem. Say what you will about how gaming should support horse racing, it employs a lot of people. Fort Erie will be decimated once the racetrack there closes. The tracks in Sarnia, Windsor and Kawartha are set to close. And that's just the start. Lots of people work there and they won't be voting Liberal. Why did I know you would bring this up? (By the way,I'm no fan of McGuinty...) Have you asked your friends why Ernie Samuels and Frank Stronach haven't "ponied up" and put thier money were their mouth is vis a vis the horse racing industry??? I mean,if thgey love it so much and the horse racing industry is so concerned about the job losses,they should be pumping some of thier untold millions into "the sport of kings" to prop it up,right? Or is the horse racing industry essentially dying/dead and requires gov't sanctioned gambling to subsidize it to survive? Edited June 16, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Wild Bill Posted June 16, 2012 Report Posted June 16, 2012 Why did I know you would bring this up? (By the way,I'm no fan of McGuinty...) Have you asked your friends why Ernie Samuels and Frank Stronach haven't "ponied up" and put thier money were their mouth is vis a vis the horse racing industry??? I mean,if thgey love it so much and the horse racing industry is so concerned about the job losses,they should be pumping some of thier untold millions into "the sport of kings" to prop it up,right? Or is the horse racing industry essentially dying/dead and requires gov't sanctioned gambling to subsidize it to survive? Jack, even if you're right, what the hell does that have to do with the price of beer? Do you seriously think all those rural folks are gonna blame Samuels and Stronach? Do they even know who those guys are? Come into the real world, my friend! They will be mad at Dalton - and you know it! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Topaz Posted June 16, 2012 Report Posted June 16, 2012 Would all of you agree that the GTO has most votes and so its this area that has more control over voting provincially and maybe even federally? After all, media reported it was Toronto that put Harper back in, IF it was a honest election. Quote
Boges Posted June 16, 2012 Report Posted June 16, 2012 Have you asked your friends why Ernie Samuels and Frank Stronach haven't "ponied up" and put thier money were their mouth is vis a vis the horse racing industry??? I'm pretty sure those guys own thoroughbreds. After Fort Erie closes the only thoroughbreds track will be Woodbine and only for part of the year. I doubt Woodbine would have trouble staying open regardless of where the money for the purses comes from. There are, however, several standardbred tracks in Ontario. All over the province. The owners of the horses at small tracks aren't rich magnates, Many of them are also the trainers. When the Slots program was put in place it allowed a lot more people to get involved in the industry. The rich owners won't sweat it, many of them live in the US anyway. But under this system they spend their money up here employing people. It's nice to know McDalton is perfectly happy with more jobs leaving Ontario. Quote
Boges Posted June 16, 2012 Report Posted June 16, 2012 Would all of you agree that the GTO has most votes and so its this area that has more control over voting provincially and maybe even federally? After all, media reported it was Toronto that put Harper back in, IF it was a honest election. You mean GTA right? The GTA isn't just downtown Toronto. It's the suburbs, in the Federal election the suburbs went overwhelmingly to Harper. Not so much in the provincial election. I'd say there are more people in suburban ridings in the GTA than in downtown Toronto. That includes places like Etobicoke, Scarborough and North York, places friendly to Mayor Rob Ford. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 Jack, even if you're right, what the hell does that have to do with the price of beer? Do you seriously think all those rural folks are gonna blame Samuels and Stronach? Do they even know who those guys are? Come into the real world, my friend! They will be mad at Dalton - and you know it! If that's the case,then those rural voters are as stupid as the rural voters who keep electing the likes of Tim Hudak in Niagara/West Glanbrook... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Wild Bill Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 If that's the case,then those rural voters are as stupid as the rural voters who keep electing the likes of Tim Hudak in Niagara/West Glanbrook... You're probably right about that, too! Again, my friend, so what? Things are what they are! Deal with it! You sound like Rush Limbaugh - all wound up because things aren't "the way they OUGHT to be!". If you want to succeed, never be a rock against the waves. You only get gradually worn down. Be a surfboard! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
MiddleClassCentrist Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 I'm a little disappointed. The election talk seems to have fizzled. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Boges Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 I'm a little disappointed. The election talk seems to have fizzled. The Dippers are trying to bait the Libs into an election by changing minor parts of the budget. It's kind of amusing. Ultimately it'll be the Fighting Dalton's choice to call an election. They said they would call a snap election if they changed anything in the budget. Quote
Wild Bill Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 I'm a little disappointed. The election talk seems to have fizzled. I never thought it was anything more than posturing on Andrea's part. She took the opportunity to enhance the NDP position as a true player, having and wielding some power. She grabbed a bit of glamour, that's all! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
capricorn Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) The Dippers are trying to bait the Libs into an election by changing minor parts of the budget. It's kind of amusing. What I find even more amusing is Dalton asking Horwath to pledge in writing that the NDP will support the budget. This coming from a Premier who in 2003 signed a promise not to raise taxes and proceeded to introduce the HST and the health tax, etc etc. Edited June 18, 2012 by capricorn Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
MiddleClassCentrist Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) The Dippers are trying to bait the Libs into an election by changing minor parts of the budget. It's kind of amusing. Ultimately it'll be the Fighting Dalton's choice to call an election. They said they would call a snap election if they changed anything in the budget. I don't know why he would... But, I wanted to see him be dumb enough to let it happen. Edited June 19, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 What I find even more amusing is Dalton asking Horwath to pledge in writing that the NDP will support the budget. This coming from a Premier who in 2003 signed a promise not to raise taxes and proceeded to introduce the HST and the health tax, etc etc. The irony was lost on the MSM that reported it. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Topaz Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 You mean GTA right? The GTA isn't just downtown Toronto. It's the suburbs, in the Federal election the suburbs went overwhelmingly to Harper. Not so much in the provincial election. I'd say there are more people in suburban ridings in the GTA than in downtown Toronto. That includes places like Etobicoke, Scarborough and North York, places friendly to Mayor Rob Ford. Sorry, yeah GTA. I'm saying there is more votes in that areas than outside or would it be half? Quote
Boges Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 Sorry, yeah GTA. I'm saying there is more votes in that areas than outside or would it be half? More than half. But then again what do you call the GTA? Halton to Scarborough up to Vaughan? Do you throw the half a million in Hamilton and the other 400,000 in Niagara? What about PAWS? (Pickering, Ajax, Whitby, Shwa) The better name is the Golden Horseshoe. All the communities that are close to the west-end of Lake Ontario. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 More than half. But then again what do you call the GTA? Halton to Scarborough up to Vaughan? Do you throw the half a million in Hamilton and the other 400,000 in Niagara? What about PAWS? (Pickering, Ajax, Whitby, Shwa) The better name is the Golden Horseshoe. All the communities that are close to the west-end of Lake Ontario. Nope, it's the GTA... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_Area Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Guest Peeves Posted June 19, 2012 Report Posted June 19, 2012 Perhaps you are more right than you know, Cap! It will be Hudak who inherits all the pain and woe. Most people don't have the insight to understand that it will have taken some years of mistakes under Liberal rule to cause such a recession. They will simply note that the hardships occurred under Hudak's watch and blame HIM for all of it! How true. Were I Hudak I wouldn't want the inheritance. Oh for another Mike Harris,(22nd Premier of Ontario from June 26, 1995 to April 15, 2002) and the common sense revolution. "noted for the "Common Sense Revolution", his Progressive Conservative government's program of deficit reduction in combination with lower taxes and cuts to government programs." He told it like it was and did what he said. Quote
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