Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 common sense does not exist. It's pretty obvious you don't have any but the rest of us do...well most of us do. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
dre Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Open minded? Really? Hey at least hes not confused enough to support blocking a whole class of visas based on the fact that some of them are abused by criminals. Look. For better or for worse thats tens of millions of women around the world that make a living off of men looking at their bodies. Models, strippers, actresses, etc. Its true! Some of them get exploited and theres criminals out there looking to find these women and pimp them out. GO AFTER THE CRIMINALS! Theyre violating our laws and should be thrown in jail. But dont go after women who are simply trying to profit from offering a legal service. They have absolutely every right to do so. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 It's pretty obvious you don't have any but the rest of us do...well most of us do. You wouldnt know common sense if it got shoved up your ass. You want to target the women working in the adult entertainment business instead of the criminals that might exploit them. Instead of pushing for more enforcement and stiffer sentences for the perps you support blanket legislation targeting the women... even though you know full well that many of them come here on their own accord. I would push for more enforcement of the laws already in place, and stiffer sentences for the criminals that are exploiting some of these women. You would target the victims themselves. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jbg Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 They might have had an abusive childhood. An unfortunate turn of events may have led them to become a stripper or prostitute. And here you are blaming the victims for their unfortunate circumstances.I'm sure Bernardo's and Homulka's childhoods were not fantastic either. Nor was mine but I'm not a stripper or a murderer. I am a productive member of society. Don't even "victims" have responsibilities? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Hey at least hes not confused enough to support blocking a whole class of visas based on the fact that some of them are abused by criminals. Look. For better or for worse thats tens of millions of women around the world that make a living off of men looking at their bodies. Models, strippers, actresses, etc. Its true! Some of them get exploited and theres criminals out there looking to find these women and pimp them out. GO AFTER THE CRIMINALS! Theyre violating our laws and should be thrown in jail. But dont go after women who are simply trying to profit from offering a legal service. They have absolutely every right to do so. Great, thats easy to say "go after the criminals" in the meantime we would let the women be abused and enslaved. How many woman have to be exploited before you support this? Millions of women worldwide make their living as strippers true, but at the end of the day do we really use that excuse to indirectly support making some of those women sex slaves? They make a living, power to them, but we also need to protect them as best we can, and if that means that we will have to eliminate the whole groups access to our country in order to protect the once being abused then so be it. Because unlike you, I don't think the right of one money to make money trumps the right of another to be free and amok her own choices about sexual partners. If you can provide a serious solution to the problem other then just "go after the criminals" it would go a long way to support your argument. Right now the authorities are going after the criminals but they can't necessarily too much in the way of helping these women because the women themselves don't trust police or are not even allowed access to the authorities. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 You wouldnt know common sense if it got shoved up your ass. You want to target the women working in the adult entertainment business instead of the criminals that might exploit them. Instead of pushing for more enforcement and stiffer sentences for the perps you support blanket legislation targeting the women... even though you know full well that many of them come here on their own accord. I would push for more enforcement of the laws already in place, and stiffer sentences for the criminals that are exploiting some of these women. You would target the victims themselves. Common sense dictates that if there is a group of people coming in to your country who are extremely vulnerable because they have no friends or family, they don't know the language, and there is a subgroup of those who are taken advantage in brutal ways we stop the practice. True they could go to England or Turkey or France or any other country but we cannot influence their laws or decisions but we can make sure that women in Canada cannot and will not be victimized in such a way and that we will not import more of the problem to the country by letting women who are extremely vulnerable be abused. You lack the common sense to see that the rights of those women being brutalized in Canada are more important then the rights of women to come and make money. Again, how many women forced to become sex slaves is the acceptable number? Is there a percentage that you can simply right off because at least the other are making money? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 I would push for more enforcement of the laws already in place, and stiffer sentences for the criminals that are exploiting some of these women. You would target the victims themselves. Besides, aren't you one of those who argued our system is just fine? We don't need to change it? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Moonbox Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) I'm in my mid 20's. I think like a young, open minded person. You do? Let's go back to the following: It makes sense to me and that is what matters (to me). Not everybody has to think like you, Jack. All that matters is what makes sense to you...right. I'm starting to get a picture of how your brain works now...or doesn't. This sort of comment is strikingly similar to, "The aliens are real in my brain." common sense does not exist. You're outdoing even yourself! Common sense doesn't exist! WOW! I think I need to put that in my signature! Look up the definition of common sense and get back to us please. Holy mother... Edited June 14, 2012 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Look. For better or for worse thats tens of millions of women around the world that make a living off of men looking at their bodies. Models, strippers, actresses, etc. Its true! Some of them get exploited and theres criminals out there looking to find these women and pimp them out. I'm all about the de-criminalizing prostitution. That's all fine and dandy. In my mind, there's nothing criminal about it at all and its prohibition is a relic of old puritanical days and, as you and others have mentioned, it forces women underground and into danger. Having said that, I still think it's a good idea to deny visas for strippers from overseas. It's not a 'right' for foreign women to be able to come to Canada for work, and the nature of this work, their lack of support from any family or friends, and their likely weak grasp of english puts them in EXTREMELY vulnerable positions where exploitation is far too easy to accomplish. Right now, a criminal exploiter can bring a women in from overseas, isolate her and pimp her out from a strip joint. On the strip joints' side, everything looks legit. The woman is allowed in Canada and she has valid work, and if she does anything illegal the owner can just say he didn't condone it blah blah blah. By denying visas in the first place, the criminals have to smuggle women into the country in the first place (placing them at risk of arrest), they have to employ them illegally (placing them at risk of arrest for employing illegal immigrants) and their supply of naive women coming to Canada voluntarily for a better life dwindles considerably. GO AFTER THE CRIMINALS! Theyre violating our laws and should be thrown in jail. But dont go after women who are simply trying to profit from offering a legal service. They have absolutely every right to do so. We do go after the criminals, but under the current formula, it's far too easy for them to pretend what they're doing is legitimate, as I've explained above. We're not 'going after' the women either. They have no 'right' to come to Canada in the first place, and we're not harming them or imprisoning them or anything like that. The premise that we're somehow hurting them is just stupid. By that logic, we're going after everyone who we deny entry into Canada. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
cybercoma Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 I'm sure Bernardo's and Homulka's childhoods were not fantastic either. Nor was mine but I'm not a stripper or a murderer. I am a productive member of society. Don't even "victims" have responsibilities? Are you really stupid enough to try and draw some kind of false equivalence between what Paul Bernardo did and what strippers do? Quote
Anti-Am Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Posted June 14, 2012 It's going to kill the stripping industry in Canada. Canadian born women are fat. Eastern European strippers that come into Canada are hot and weigh just the right amount. Maybe I have higher expectations but I'm not going to pay to have a fat chick sit on me. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Are you really stupid enough to try and draw some kind of false equivalence between what Paul Bernardo did and what strippers do? I believe he was making a point agains this "argument" and not trying to compare strippers to anything. Reality is not black and white CPCFTW. And not all strippers and prostitutes are women. Men are strippers and prostitutes too. They might have had an abusive childhood. An unfortunate turn of events may have led them to become a stripper or prostitute. And here you are blaming the victims for their unfortunate circumstances. It is obvious you do not understand and never will understand the reality of this world. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Paying is all you'll be doing...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Anti-Am Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) I believe he was making a point agains this "argument" and not trying to compare strippers to anything. You're a moron if you compare prostitutes, strippers (which is legal in Canada) to murderers, rapists. Edited June 14, 2012 by Anti-Am Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 It's going to kill the stripping industry in Canada. Canadian born women are fat. Eastern European strippers that come into Canada are hot and weigh just the right amount. Maybe I have higher expectations but I'm not going to pay to have a fat chick sit on me. Maybe if you could get a girlfriend you would have to pay for a women to strip? Ever thought about that? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Anti-Am Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) Maybe if you could get a girlfriend you would have to pay for a women to strip? Ever thought about that? If I had a girlfriend wouldn't I be paying her more to sleep with me / strip? Edited June 14, 2012 by Anti-Am Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 You're a moron if you compare prostitutes, strippers (which is legal in Canada) to murderers, rapists. You are illiterate if you can't read your own post. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Anti-Am Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Posted June 14, 2012 You are illiterate if you can't read your own post. All you and your ilk do is blame the victims. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 If I had a girlfriend wouldn't I be paying her more to sleep with me? Thats called prostitution. I think its legal now so its all good, but you don't need to call her your "girlfriend"... Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 All you and your ilk do is blame the victims. All you and your ilk do is make more victims... Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Anti-Am Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Posted June 14, 2012 Thats called prostitution. I think its legal now so its all good, but you don't need to call her your "girlfriend"... No, I think buying your girlfriend food, going out, buying her things, so she would voluntarily sleep with you is the same. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 No, I think buying your girlfriend food, going out, buying her things, so she would voluntarily sleep with you is the same. No, its not. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Anti-Am Posted June 14, 2012 Author Report Posted June 14, 2012 All you and your ilk do is make more victims... Whatever happened to the conservatives who butted out of peoples lives and businesses? I want those conservatives to come back Quote
Rick Posted June 14, 2012 Report Posted June 14, 2012 Thats called prostitution. I think its legal now so its all good, but you don't need to call her your "girlfriend"... No, that's called marriage. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
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