Canadians now in favour of merging NDP & LPC

[Anti-Am]

What hate speech repeal?

I'm in favour of the repeal but liberals will not be.

Bill C-304, introduced by Conservative backbencher Brian Storseth, repeals Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, which bans hate speech transmitted over the Internet or by telephone. It passed third reading in the House of Commons on Thursday and is now headed to the Senate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mobileweb/2012/06/08/bill-c-304-hate-speech-tories_n_1581437.html

[Guest Derek L]

I'm in favour of the repeal but liberals will not be.

Bill C-304, introduced by Conservative backbencher Brian Storseth, repeals Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, which bans hate speech transmitted over the Internet or by telephone. It passed third reading in the House of Commons on Thursday and is now headed to the Senate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mobileweb/2012/06/08/bill-c-304-hate-speech-tories_n_1581437.html

Did you read your link:

The new law doesn’t make hate speech legal on the web or by phone -- hate speech remain illegal under the Criminal Code. But by removing it from the Canadian Human Rights Act, it takes away the authority of the country’s human rights commissions to investigate online hate speech and request that violating websites be taken down.

So all it does is defang the CHRC Kangaroo Court?

[Anti-Am]

Did you read your link:

So all it does is defang the CHRC Kangaroo Court?

The CHRC is the only one that really investigated hate speech.

This effectively means you can say whatever you want without fear of fines and prison

unless its threatening.

[Fletch 27]

Only the spitefull Liberals who disagree with that amendment.. Agin, the Tories are cleaning house, and effectively. A Merger of the NDP and Libs would ensure Torie Majorities till the next coming of Christ.. And he would support he Tories

I'm in favour of the repeal but liberals will not be.

Bill C-304, introduced by Conservative backbencher Brian Storseth, repeals Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, which bans hate speech transmitted over the Internet or by telephone. It passed third reading in the House of Commons on Thursday and is now headed to the Senate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mobileweb/2012/06/08/bill-c-304-hate-speech-tories_n_1581437.html

[Guest Derek L]

The CHRC is the only one that really investigated hate speech.

This effectively means you can say whatever you want without fear of fines and prison

unless its threatening.

And the problem with that? If someone says something nasty to someone, can’t they say something nasty back?

[TheNewTeddy]

if you vote for harpers conservatives after what hes been doing this majority then you really are not a liberal

I can't tell which kind of logical debate fallacy this is. Ad-hominim attack, or one of those "not a true scotsman" statements. Either way, it is a sign that you can not debate.

[Anti-Am]

And the problem with that? If someone says something nasty to someone, can’t they say something nasty back?

I have no problemo with it being repealed. I prefer free speech.

[Anti-Am]

I can't tell which kind of logical debate fallacy this is. Ad-hominim attack, or one of those "not a true scotsman" statements. Either way, it is a sign that you can not debate.

Hm, a liberal voter voting for the party repealing dozens of old, classic liberal laws and the leader openly claiming he wants to crush the liberal party.

no, a real liberal voter would not vote for the enemy

[Guest Derek L]

I can't tell which kind of logical debate fallacy this is. Ad-hominim attack, or one of those "not a true scotsman" statements. Either way, it is a sign that you can not debate.

I take great offence to your stereotypical attack on Scottish people and fallacy…….You’ll have the CHRC on your tail in no time!! :angry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URSRa8zf_LU&feature=related

[Anti-Am]

Teddy, do you know how dumb it sounded when you claimed to be a card carrying member of the liberals

and then said you would vote for the party that has vowed to crush the party you are a member of?

Good grief man.

[Dave_ON]

Teddy, do you know how dumb it sounded when you claimed to be a card carrying member of the liberals

and then said you would vote for the party that has vowed to crush the party you are a member of?

Good grief man.

Why must everyone fit into neat little boxes? Is it not possible to agree with some policies the CPC has broght in while disagreeing with others? Does voting for a party mean you agree with their platform lock stock and barrel? You never disagree with a single thing they do ever? This is the problem with many political "debaters". Calling someone a "leftist" or a "right winger" summarily dismisses their arguments wholesale and shuts down debate as clearly using those terms refutes all possible counter points.

In reality we simply cannot make sweeping statements like "no liberal would xyz". Many Canadians do not self identify with one party over the other, they vote one way in one election and an entirely diferent way another. Often the doubt and ambiguity favours the incumbunt.

[Anti-Am]

Why must everyone fit into neat little boxes? Is it not possible to agree with some policies the CPC has broght in while disagreeing with others? Does voting for a party mean you agree with their platform lock stock and barrel? You never disagree with a single thing they do ever? This is the problem with many political "debaters". Calling someone a "leftist" or a "right winger" summarily dismisses their arguments wholesale and shuts down debate as clearly using those terms refutes all possible counter points.

In reality we simply cannot make sweeping statements like "no liberal would xyz". Many Canadians do not self identify with one party over the other, they vote one way in one election and an entirely diferent way another. Often the doubt and ambiguity favours the incumbunt.

You can disagree and agree all you'd like but if you are a member of a political group and you vote for its mortal enemy that makes you a traitor to the party you belonged to.

Clark Kent wouldn't vote for Lex Luthor to become president would he?

Edited June 11, 2012 by Anti-Am

[Guest Derek L]

You can disagree and agree all you'd like but if you are a member of a political group and you vote for its mortal enemy that makes you a traitor to the party you belonged to.

Clark Kent wouldn't vote for Lex Luthor to become president would he?

That defence was tried before……..A lot of party members got shot or hung.

So your contention is that if one “jumps ship” from a previous political party, they’re traitors? Would that make the current NDP caucus full of Liberal and Bloc traitors?

[Anti-Am]

That defence was tried before……..A lot of party members got shot or hung.

So your contention is that if one “jumps ship” from a previous political party, they’re traitors? Would that make the current NDP caucus full of Liberal and Bloc traitors?

Yes and yes if you go by the actual definitons of the word traitor.

noun

1. a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.

2. a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.

[Fletch 27]

Bob Rae - NDP'er jumped to the Liberals

Thommy Mulcair - Liberal who jumped to the NDP!

Please, go ahead and pick what Traitor you will be voting for in the next election! LOLOLOLLOLLOOLL..

REally shows the "Morals" in these guys!

You can disagree and agree all you'd like but if you are a member of a political group and you vote for its mortal enemy that makes you a traitor to the party you belonged to.

Clark Kent wouldn't vote for Lex Luthor to become president would he?

[Anti-Am]

Bob Rae - NDP'er jumped to the Liberals

Thommy Mulcair - Liberal who jumped to the NDP!

Please, go ahead and pick what Traitor you will be voting for in the next election! LOLOLOLLOLLOOLL..

REally shows the "Morals" in these guys!

i don't like either of them. Who knows if I'll even vote. Maybe I'll go green.

[Tilter]

There were ridings in Ontario where centrists/conservative Liberals lost. Many voters don't identify with a party. Centrists who may vote LPC or CPC probably wouldn't vote for a party that's left of the LPC.

And who would lead this mysterious new party. If sway in the house is any indication it would have to be Thomas Mulclair. Much like the Alliance leader ended up leading the CPC.

How many Liberals would be agreeable to be led by the leader of the NDP?

No--- after rae gets the nod (apt description of rae) he will volunteer to run the party until a party leadership vote <_< , promising vowing he will not run as leader of the New Liberal Democrat party of Leftiness <_<

[Topaz]

I have a question that i'm not sure of. The question is can a person be a card carrying member of more than one party? Why you ask? Because IF one can, I can see certain people being memebers of all parties for their own purpsoses such as if one wanted the leadership of a certain party to have a weak leader they could join that party and vote that person in. Get enough people to do it and a certain party can control the other two parties.

[Fletch 27]

Very good question.. I have no idea what being a card carrying xxxxx requires!

But your theory could very well have played out at the last NDP leadership convention!

Do you actually get a "Card" ?

I have a question that i'm not sure of. The question is can a person be a card carrying member of more than one party? Why you ask? Because IF one can, I can see certain people being memebers of all parties for their own purpsoses such as if one wanted the leadership of a certain party to have a weak leader they could join that party and vote that person in. Get enough people to do it and a certain party can control the other two parties.

[eyeball]

Do you actually get a "Card" ?

I'm betting you got a Goa'uld.

[TheNewTeddy]

Teddy, do you know how dumb it sounded when you claimed to be a card carrying member of the liberals

and then said you would vote for the party that has vowed to crush the party you are a member of?

Good grief man.

Well aaron my good friend, none of your commentary acknowledges that the NDP has vowed to do worse to the Liberals in the past, that the NDP has opposed the Liberals and has been more dangerous to the Liberals on the provincial level, or that the NDP's wet dream has always been to displace the Liberals. The NDP is more anti-liberal than the Tories.

Frankly, in reality, I've voted Green in 2008 and 2011, and if there were a merger, would vote Green again; but if there were no Green candidate, I would vote for the Tories over the New Bastardized Party.

If you'd like I can take a picture of my membership card just for you. But you better be ready to ask for the same from people like Scott Brison, as he and I both think the Liberals need to move further into the Centre, and not to become Socialist Lite.

[TheNewTeddy]

Also, here is that picture.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd408/TheNewTeddy/Photo0038.jpg

[madmax]

LOL! Only ONE way that would happen... That building would have been built by a Liberal who was paid off wih some wacky sponsorship bribe, the NDP'er would be living there as that building would be public houseing funded by the taxpayer..., the Conservative would be there to evict the NDP'er for living there under false pretenses and the building would be destroyed due to inneficiancies and wasting taxpayer moneys.. Thats the only way the 3 parties would be in the same building..

How about they all just meet in the Conservative "Border Security" Gazebo.

[madmax]

if you vote for harpers conservatives after what hes been doing this majority then you really are not a liberal

You realize you're merger theory has just gone down the toilet with this comment?

[madmax]

There were ridings in Ontario where centrists/conservative Liberals lost. Many voters don't identify with a party. Centrists who may vote LPC or CPC probably wouldn't vote for a party that's left of the LPC.

And who would lead this mysterious new party. If sway in the house is any indication it would have to be Thomas Mulclair. Much like the Alliance leader ended up leading the CPC.

How many Liberals would be agreeable to be led by the leader of the NDP?

All valid points.