mentalfloss Posted May 31, 2012 Report Posted May 31, 2012 If you like the asian ladies .. i suggest going ALL the way west to Vancouver .. lots of yummy there. Who can disagree with that. Quote
wyly Posted May 31, 2012 Report Posted May 31, 2012 This post brought to you by Corporate Conservative Alliance of Canada. Thanks for the BS propaganda Higher cost of living. Infrastructure that hasn't been updated. Jobs that destroy your life. No thanks. somewhere between fletch's and your post would be more accurate...and after only 3 weeks residency fletch has no expertise as to what alberta is like... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted May 31, 2012 Report Posted May 31, 2012 Who can disagree with that. calgary wouldn't be far behind in that department, nearly 50% asian in my neighbourhood... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
g_bambino Posted May 31, 2012 Report Posted May 31, 2012 I have lived in Toronto for 23 years now and I have yet to see a single smile in this city. Here you go: Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 31, 2012 Author Report Posted May 31, 2012 somewhere between fletch's and your post would be more accurate...and after only 3 weeks residency fletch has no expertise as to what alberta is like... I'm just trying to keep the equation balanced. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) This post brought to you by Corporate Conservative Alliance of Canada. Thanks for the BS propaganda Higher cost of living. Infrastructure that hasn't been updated. Jobs that destroy your life. No thanks. LOL! More propaganda brought to you by the venerable "Hate the West" centralists. Couple things. One, when your population jumps 25% in 4 years it is -impossible- to keep the infrastructure up to date. Anyone intelligent understands this. Anyone unable to understand this is unintelligent. Why has the population jumped that much and is still rising? It's not because it's a horrible place to live. Jobs that destroy your life? Lol. Where do you get this? Straight out of your behind? Or is it you just can't stand it when you see people working? Higher cost of living? Nope. With the lowest top marginal income tax rate and the highest basic and spousal deductions in Canada, Albertans pay low personal income taxes and Alberta is the only province with no provincial sales tax. Albertans also enjoy a publicly administered and funded health care system that guarantees universal access to necessary hospital and medical services. Alberta has among the lowest provincial gasoline tax and lowest property taxes in Canada. http://www.albertacanada.com/about-alberta/cost-of-living.html Mercer carried out an extensive cost of living survey for overseas workers in 2011. The survey covers 214 cities and measures the comparative cost of over 200 items in each location, including housing, transport, food, clothing, household goods and entertainment.The survey revealed that Toronto (59th) has the highest cost of living in Canada, followed by Vancouver (65th), Montreal (79th), Calgary (96th) and Ottawa (114th). http://www.livingin-canada.com/cost-of-living-in-canada.html I love to watch Centralist yuppy-larvae babbling about how they know all about Alberta or the West....I especially love it when they use a southern drawl to mimic them, proving only that the person in question has never left their home town. The hate the Center/East has for the West is amusing if only because it makes them look so very stupid. Edited June 1, 2012 by Claudius Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 Apparently you don't like living in a jungle of penises. That's ok. Party on! Your hate for a part of Canada you've never been to is as obvious as it is amusing. Good to see Ontario is still raising haters. If it's not Alberta then they hate the "newfies" or the "BC Treehuggers" or "Saskatchewan dirtfarmers", or occasionally when they're really frustrated, "Frogs".....(sigh) Yes we can see Ontario is still the capital of bigotry in this country. It's always been that way. Comes with being constantly told you're more important than everyone else in the nation and never leaving your home town. Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) See Fubar 2 - an excellent independent film depicting the lives of two typical Albertan males.Yep, that is exactly what life in AB is like.And the OP is spot on about the lack of infrastructure, if only we had schools and hospitals here. MMMmmmno. That depiction of young males would just be relevant or accurate if the story took place in BC, Manitoba or Newfoundland. Nothing like relying on comedic fictional movies to use as a source of social examination (rolls eyes). Edited June 1, 2012 by Claudius Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
wyly Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 Your hate for a part of Canada you've never been to is as obvious as it is amusing. Good to see Ontario is still raising haters. If it's not Alberta then they hate the "newfies" or the "BC Treehuggers" or "Saskatchewan dirtfarmers", or occasionally when they're really frustrated, "Frogs"..... (sigh) Yes we can see Ontario is still the capital of bigotry in this country. It's always been that way. Comes with being constantly told you're more important than everyone else in the nation and never leaving your home town. but how much of it is serious and just friendly banter...the only real mean spirited talk I've detected is that directed towards Quebec, or maybe I'm just naive... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) but how much of it is serious and just friendly banter...the only real mean spirited talk I've detected is that directed towards Quebec, or maybe I'm just naive... Maybe but the history of this country speaks to a deeper seeded hate. It starts a century ago when new immigrants were courted to this country and then sent to different areas depending on their nationality or creed. If you were English or Scottish you were allowed to move to Ontario, usually because you could point to a relative there or because it was thought that you (or more likely your children) would do well in English speaking university. If you were one of the mistrusted slavs, Polish, Ukranian, German etc. your only choice, generally, came down to being offered a free plot of land (if you did the work to clear and farm it) in one of the Western provinces. To this day in Liverpool you can see advertisements painted on the side of buildings courting Eastern Europeans to the farm fields of Western Canada. Over the years the "enlightened, elitist" British Isle stock in early Ontario generated quite a bit of mistrust and bigoted attitudes towards the Western provinces, to them the dominion of mere slavic troglodytes whose only purpose or possible aptitude in life was to work the fields. These attitudes persist today in an evolved form. When you ask "Why does the West 'hate' Ontario/Quebec"? The answer is "Because you hated them first." Edited June 1, 2012 by Claudius Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
waldo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 Over the years the "enlightened, elitist" British Isle stock in early Ontario generated quite a bit of mistrust and bigoted attitudes towards the Western provinces, to them the dominion of mere slavic troglodytes whose only purpose or possible aptitude in life was to work the fields. These attitudes persist today in an evolved form. that yarn might play well... down on the farm. What about the Western troglodurbanytes? Quote
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) that yarn might play well... down on the farm. What about the Western troglodurbanytes? No yarn to it. That's what happened. Must be nice to look at the facts of the history of this country and the sociological implications and just say to yourself, "I don't like that story, so I'll just reject it out of hand". It's the truth whether you want to hear it or not. Western urbanites? Obviously you mean the ones developed within the last 20 years, 30 maximum? Because that's how new they are. Denying it is funny but pointless in a thread started by someone from Ontario the only purpose of which is to 'point-and-laugh' at one of the Western provinces. The story itself is barely interesting unless you're a bigot with an axe to grind. ....oh and case-in-point: if you ever speak to someone from/in Toronto about Western "urbanites" get ready to be quickly reminded that Toronto is the king of cities in Canada (rolls eyes), and whatever the West considers to be a city (with the possible exception of Vancouver) is nothing more than a joke to them. Edited June 1, 2012 by Claudius Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
guyser Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 LOL! More propaganda brought to you by the venerable "Hate the West" centralists. Um...we really dont even think of you. Sorry. About all we hear is how everyone hates us (from all corners), but we laugh at the jealousy. Still is the centre of Canada for pretty much all things. Quote
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) Um...we really dont even think of you. Sorry. About all we hear is how everyone hates us (from all corners), but we laugh at the jealousy. Contradicting statements. Yes that's right, except for threads about Dutch Disease and "Alberta sausage fests" and a dozen or so others....yeah, you guys hardly think about us at all, lol! (rolls eyes). Still is the centre of Canada for pretty much all things. Except for jobs, quality of life, cost of living and hockey. Keep rocking back and forth telling yourself you're important - more important than everyone else in Canada. lol. Thanks for making my point for me. Edited June 1, 2012 by Claudius Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
waldo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 No yarn to it. That's what happened. you're speaking to, as you labeled it, a 'deep seated hatred' that became entrenched in Canadian government immigration policy. My googlies aren't aligning to your statements... perhaps you could substantiate. ....oh and case-in-point: if you ever speak to someone from/in Toronto about Western "urbanites" get ready to be quickly reminded that Toronto is the king of cities in Canada (rolls eyes), and whatever the West considers to be a city (with the possible exception of Vancouver) is nothing more than a joke to them. well... you've narrowed down your "Ontario/Quebec" reference to a Toronto focus - is that kind of 'banter' you describe any different than, say... the much hyped rivalry between Calgary & Edmonton? And isn't it just those with ultra-sensitivities that really get bent out of shape when these 'pissing matches' start up? Quote
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) you're speaking to, as you labeled it, a 'deep seated hatred' that became entrenched in Canadian government immigration policy. out of shape when these 'pissing matches' start up? No the deep seeded hate and mistrust came about because of the government immigration policy. My googlies aren't aligning to your statements... It's a pity you didn't pay more attention to high school you'd know all about this fact of Canadian history. Naturally google is going to have a hard time coming up with the sociological affects of policy, but that hardly means it didn't/doesn't exist. Here you go: First thing Googled: The Dominion government with the guidance of Clifford Sifton, Minister of the Interior in charge of immigration, (1896–1905)[5] enacted Canada's homesteading act, the Dominion Lands Act, in 1872. An extensive advertising campaign throughout western Europe and Scandinavia brought in a huge wave of immigrants to "The Last, Best West".... Ethnic Bloc Settlements[9] dotted the prairies, as language groupings settled together on soil types of the Canadian western prairie similar to agricultural land of their homeland. In this way immigration was successful; new settlements could grow because of common communication and learned agricultural methods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_immigration_to_Canada Homesteading act: The act gave a claimant a homestead area (160 acres, or 65 hectares) for free, the only cost to the farmer being a $10 administration fee. Any male farmer who agreed to cultivate at least 40 acres (16 ha) of the land and build a permanent dwelling on it (within three years) qualified. This condition of "proving up the homestead" was instituted to prevent speculators from gaining control of the land. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Lands_ActMore: Historically, from 1872 to 1930 immigrants were attracted to Saskatchewan by the Homestead Act which granted a quarter section or 160 acres to homesteaders if they could 'prove' the land in three years. The immigration pattern resulted in ethnic bloc settlements which include: British, French , German, Dutch, Scadinavian and Ukranian. Most of the British and French went to BC or Manitoba respectively. http://www.akcanada.com/lic_saskatchewan.cfm well... you've narrowed down your "Ontario/Quebec" reference to a Toronto focus... No I didn't. The topic was narrowed by you to 'urbanites' so naturally Toronto came into play. I didn't narrow anything. Edited June 1, 2012 by Claudius Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 And isn't it just those with ultra-sensitivities that really get bent out of shape when these 'pissing matches' start up? I wish. Nothing wrong with a little regional rivalry but it so easily gets blown into full out bigotry for no good reason at all. It's one of the very disappointing things about Canadian society. Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
Michael Hardner Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 ....oh and case-in-point: if you ever speak to someone from/in Toronto about Western "urbanites" get ready to be quickly reminded that Toronto is the king of cities in Canada (rolls eyes), and whatever the West considers to be a city (with the possible exception of Vancouver) is nothing more than a joke to them. I don't think that's true - Torontonians also respect Montreal as a city. I don't ever hear people talk about cities inbetween Vancouver and Toronto. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 Current ethnic spread of Canadians, you'll notice where all the Germans and Ukrainian are: Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) I don't think that's true - Torontonians also respect Montreal as a city. If you took the time to read the context you can see we were talking specifically West/Center-East comparisons. Montreal would land in the same group. Edited June 1, 2012 by Claudius Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
guyser Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) Yes that's right,...point for me. Sorry, did someone say something from way out there? Your jealousy is painful to see. Edited June 1, 2012 by guyser Quote
waldo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 Maybe but the history of this country speaks to a deeper seeded hate. It starts a century ago when new immigrants were courted to this country and then sent to different areas depending on their nationality or creed. If you were English or Scottish you were allowed to move to Ontario, usually because you could point to a relative there or because it was thought that you (or more likely your children) would do well in English speaking university. If you were one of the mistrusted slavs, Polish, Ukranian, German etc. your only choice, generally, came down to being offered a free plot of land (if you did the work to clear and farm it) in one of the Western provinces. you're speaking to, as you labeled it, a 'deep seated hatred' that became entrenched in Canadian government immigration policy. My googlies aren't aligning to your statements... perhaps you could substantiate. No the deep seeded hate and mistrust came about because of the government immigration policy. It's a pity you didn't pay more attention to high school you'd know all about this fact of Canadian history. Naturally google is going to have a hard time coming up with the sociological affects of policy, but that hardly means it didn't/doesn't exist. Here you go: First thing Googled: the established settlement history is well documented - again, none of what I'm reading, what I've read, aligns with your initial post... quoted above. You have not... yet... substantiated your initial post statements. Quote
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 Sorry, did someone say something from way out there? Your jealousy is painful to see. Wake us when you have something relevant to say. Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
Claudius Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 the established settlement history is well documented - again, none of what I'm reading, what I've read, aligns with your initial post... quoted above. You have not... yet... substantiated your initial post statements. No I have and anyone who made it through grade 12 social studies also knows it. I have substantiated it in the post you quote and about 4-5 since then.Naturally sir, you will find it hard to find an internet link or wiki describing the discriminatory attitudes by predominantly English Ontario against the predominately German, Skandinavian and Ukrainian immigrants who went West to farm the lands. I have substantiated this trend but any child can come back post after post and claim "Nahh uh, is not!" I could link you to a couple books that mention it but you wont read them. I could probably link to a couple of blogs that speak about the same phenomenon but you would just discount them out of hand with the excuse that they're blogs, even though the real excuse will be because you don't like what they say. Everything I said about the early immigration policies is correct and everything I said about the Central Canadian attitudes towards those Western bound immigrants is also correct. That you refuse to even consider it is meaningless both to me and reality. Quote There is virtually no difference between the 3 major parties once they get into power.
waldo Posted June 1, 2012 Report Posted June 1, 2012 Naturally sir, you will find it hard to find an internet link or wiki describing the discriminatory attitudes by predominantly English Ontario against the predominately German, Skandinavian and Ukrainian immigrants who went West to farm the lands. so... only in your head then, hey? Carry on... Quote
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