united states' biggest welfare recipient to receive more welfare

[bud]

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The Obama administration is expected to announce an additional $680 million in U.S. financial aid aimed at helping Israel purchase additional Iron Dome batteries to intercept rockets.

this is on top of the $3 billion a year that israel receives from the u.s. taxpayers, who are borrowing the money from china.

all this talk about how israel can take care of itself is a bunch of crap. israel is a welfare state and the american people are using their credit card to pay for them.

Edited May 14, 2012 by bud

[Signals.Cpl]

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The Obama administration is expected to announce an additional $680 million in U.S. financial aid aimed at helping Israel purchase additional Iron Dome batteries to intercept rockets.

this is on top of the $3 billion a year that israel receives from the u.s. taxpayers, who are borrowing the money from china.

all this talk about how israel can take care of itself is a bunch of crap. israel is a welfare state and the american people are using their credit card to pay for them.

Someone needs to do the right thing. Cant let the Iranians cause Holocaust 2.0

[Guest American Woman]

israel is a welfare state and the american people are using their credit card to pay for them.

Good thing you're not an American, eh?

[bud]

Good thing you're not an American, eh?

it's a good thing. however, it's a bad thing that america's actions, including their military and economic decisions effect the whole world.

i understand though, the jewish vote and money is important and we're a few months away from the elections. gay zionists must be totally googooly-eyed for obama right now.

[Guest American Woman]

it's a good thing.

That it is - for so many reasons.

however, it's a bad thing that america's actions, including their military and economic decisions effect the whole world.

Quite frankly, that's the rest of the world's problem to the extent that every other country's government puts their own country's needs above others, and rightfully so.

i understand though, the jewish vote and money is important and we're a few months away from the elections. gay zionists must be totally googooly-eyed for obama right now.

Yep. I'm sure it'll win Obama the election, being that there's a huge voting sector of gay Zionists.

Edited May 14, 2012 by American Woman

[bud]

Quite frankly, that's the rest of the world's problem to the extent that every other country's government puts their own country's needs above others, and rightfully so.

however, in this case, america is putting another country's needs above theirs.

Yep. I'm sure it'll win Obama the election, being that there's a huge voting sector of gay Zionists.

*wooooosh*

[Signals.Cpl]

however, in this case, america is putting another country's needs above theirs.

When the 7.8million citizens of the other country are under threat of death, I think the US is understandably willing to protect them.

[Guest American Woman]

however, in this case, america is putting another country's needs above theirs.

That's simply your non-American opinion.

*wooooosh*

Yep. Right over your head.

[bud]

When the 7.8million citizens of the other country are under threat of death, I think the US is understandably willing to protect them.

why can't israel take care of itself? especially with all the military technology and aid they've already received.

the more this goes on, the more obvious it is that israel is a nation dependent on america for massive financial, military, and political support. israel cannot stand on it's own two feet and never has.

[Guest American Woman]

When the 7.8million citizens of the other country are under threat of death, I think the US is understandably willing to protect them.

It's to the rest of the western world's advantage to have a western ally, a successful democracy, in the Middle East.

[Signals.Cpl]

why can't israel take care of itself? especially with all the military technology and aid they've already received.

the more this goes on, the more obvious it is that israel is a nation dependent on america for massive financial, military, and political support. israel cannot stand on it's own two feet and never has.

I would disagree with that statement.

-1948 Arab–Israeli War vs 12 nations

-Six-Day War 1967 vs 12 nations

-War of Attrition 1967-1970 vs 6 nations

-Yom Kippur War 1973 vs 16 nations

-1982 Lebanon War vs 4 nations

-2006 Lebanon War vs 2 nations

They sure look dependant.

[bud]

It's to the rest of the western world's advantage to have a western ally, a successful democracy, in the Middle East.

what a load of jingoistic crap.

how is supporting israel's aggressive rogue like behaviour an advantage to any country?

not only is israel's policies against the palestinians non-democractic but many of them have been concluded to be in violation of international law. policies like the continued increasing of the illegal settlements and annexation of palestinian land (as concluded by resolution 446 and international court of justice), the illegal blockade of gaza, the military adventures in gaza and lebanon which have violated international law and many more.

israel's actions against the palestinians are not the actions of a true democratic country.

[bush_cheney2004]

it's a good thing. however, it's a bad thing that america's actions, including their military and economic decisions effect the whole world.

Sorry...your Empire had its day...now long gone. But before it fell it had a big role in supporting Israel's self-declared statehood. If it helps you to blame the Americans for continuing the exercise, have at it.

i understand though, the jewish vote and money is important and we're a few months away from the elections. gay zionists must be totally googooly-eyed for obama right now.

...then you must understand that there is absolutely nothing you can do about it from Vancouver.

[Signals.Cpl]

what a load of jingoistic crap.

how is supporting israel's aggressive rogue like behaviour an advantage to any country?

not only is israel's policies against the palestinians non-democractic but many of them have been concluded to be in violation of international law. policies like the continued increasing of the illegal settlements and annexation of palestinian land (as concluded by resolution 446 and international court of justice), the illegal blockade of gaza, the military adventures in gaza and lebanon which have violated international law and many more.

israel's actions against the palestinians are not the actions of a true democratic country.

Its not like the Arabs don't keep attacking Israel.

[bud]

Sorry...your Empire had its day...now long gone. But before it fell it had a big role in supporting Israel's self-declared statehood. If it helps you to blame the Americans for continuing the exercise, have at it.

unlike you, i have no problem criticizing any empires. whether it's 'my' empire or 'your' empire.

...then you must understand that there is absolutely nothing you can do about it from Vancouver.

the system is not sustainable and it's going to collapse. one of two things will happen; the u.s. will continue to decline and will no longer be able to give the same type of support, or israel will politically and financially implode. either way, the status quo will not continue for much longer.

see apartheid south africa.

Edited May 14, 2012 by bud

[Signals.Cpl]

unlike you, i have no problem criticizing any empires. whether it's 'my' empire or 'your' empire.

the system is not sustainable and it's going to collapse. one of two things will happen; the u.s. will continue to decline and will no longer be able to give the same type of support, or israel will politically and financially implode. either way, the status quo will not continue for much longer.

see apartheid south africa.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Israel has been repeatedly attacked and deserves any support it can get. If you want peace in the middle east try and look at the situation in a more balanced approach rather the same old garbage of anti-Semitic propaganda. The USSR has repeatedly armed all the arab countries that have attacked Israel over the last 60 some years but because the US gives Israel support they are to blame for everything. The problems in the Middle east are not because of Israel or the US, they precede Israel's existence and America's involvement in the Middle East. The nations to blame for the disaster in the middle east are the European powers and the Arabs themselves.

[bush_cheney2004]

unlike you, i have no problem criticizing any empires. whether it's 'my' empire or 'your' empire.

You don't have an empire any more to criticize...so I guess those damn 'Merkins will just have to do. But you do have "PalestIndians"...and they want your occupation to end.

the system is not sustainable and it's going to collapse. one of two things will happen; the u.s. will continue to decline and will no longer be able to give the same type of support, or israel will politically and financially implode. either way, the status quo will not continue for much longer.

Yes it will....you sound like Yasser Arafat from over 40 years ago. Didn't pan out the way he thought.

see apartheid south africa.

South Africa's apartheid model was based on Canada's reserve system. Fact.

[Guest American Woman]

South Africa's apartheid model was based on Canada's reserve system. Fact.

I did not know that.

[bush_cheney2004]

I did not know that.

I suppose such a charge deserves some evidence:

It is significant that South Africa came to Canada at different times since the Boer War asking and [obtaining] permission to study the Canadian system by which Indian people were controlled and managed separately from the politically dominant white population. South African took what it needed and applied it to its own situation: first to segregation, and after the Second World War to apartheid. The fundamental difference between Canada and South Africa was that Canada was interested in segregating and managing, as cheaply as possible, a population it did not want as an important source of labour. South Africa was interested in the same type of relationship, but for a people whose labour it needed and wanted cheaply.

http://www.africafiles.org/article.asp?ID=24096

[Guest American Woman]

I suppose such a charge deserves some evidence:.....

I looked it up before responding; in fact, I checked out several sources as I had never heard this before. Interesting link, though - that's not one I had come across.

[bush_cheney2004]

I looked it up before responding; in fact, I checked out several sources as I had never heard this before. Interesting link, though - that's not one I had come across.

Well, to be fair, Canada got onboard the sanctions train in the 80's. Some people don't realize that official apartheid in South Africa was a relatively recent 20th century development, and the government methodically researched and planned its implmentation. Canada had a running reservation model with ready-made throne approval!

[DogOnPorch]

Shhhhh...

[GostHacked]

As long as US taxpayers are willing to prop up Israel, and no money out of my pocket .... fine by me.

[Guest American Woman]

Shhhhh...

I won't tell a soul......

[bud]

i'd like to know who here is okay with canada's treatment of the natives.

bringing up the past actions of a country i live in, whether the actions are similar or not, to somehow excuse and justify the brutal actions of israel against a people is lame. you have a ridiculous habit. you're a bizarre old man.

apartheid south africa was supported by many western countries. but that slowly changed as pressure from people mounted and the reality of the oppressive actions by the south african government became too much to ignore. israel is heading towards the same fate.

no one believes palestinian land and water theft is a defensive action. americans, and young american jews specifically are starting to distance themselves from israel and u.s.' support for israel oppressive behaviour.

AIPAC may have the u.s. government by the balls right now, but that will soon change. see apartheid south africa.

sshhhhhh... don't tell a soul.