Protests, police provocateurs, masks, etc

g_bambino · May 16, 2012

t was already well known to anyone with a brain, that the rights of citizens were trampled on and that the police abused their powers significantly.

At Queen's Park, yes. Otherwise, I've seen little to indicate powers were grossly abused or people's rights were "trampled", otherwise.

GostHacked · May 16, 2012

At Queen's Park, yes. Otherwise, I've seen little to indicate powers were grossly abused or people's rights were "trampled", otherwise.

Kettling at Spedina.

Arrests around the barrier (because of information/laws that were not clear to the police)

1100 arrests and no charges. That's a real crappy record.

g_bambino · May 16, 2012

Kettling at Spedina.

1100 arrests and no charges.

Not illegal.

Arrests around the barrier (because of information/laws that were not clear to the police)

One arrest.

jacee · May 16, 2012

Posted Today, 10:08 AM jacee, on 15 May 2012 - 10:24 PM, said: The ones causing havoc are almost always dressed in uniform

A uniform of sorts, yes. I just said that.

Then let me be clearer:

The ones wreaking havoc on innocent people - brutal assaults, humiliation, forcible confinement, etc - WERE ALL DRESSED IN POLICE UNIFORMS.

g_bambino · May 16, 2012

Then let me be clearer:
The ones wreaking havoc on innocent people - brutal assaults, humiliation, forcible confinement, etc - WERE ALL DRESSED IN POLICE UNIFORMS.

Yea, I knew that's what you meant and it's as bullshit as the rest of your cops-are-Harper-controlled-democracy-killing-bots theory.

Signals.Cpl · May 16, 2012

A uniform of sorts, yes. I just said that.

Then let me be clearer:

The ones wreaking havoc on innocent people - brutal assaults, humiliation, forcible confinement, etc - WERE ALL DRESSED IN POLICE UNIFORMS.

So the store owners had it coming right?

Edited May 16, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

Rick · May 16, 2012

Yea, I knew that's what you meant and it's as bullshit as the rest of your cops-are-Harper-controlled-democracy-killing-bots theory.

No it isn't.

Rick · May 16, 2012

Then let me be clearer:

The ones wreaking havoc on innocent people - brutal assaults, humiliation, forcible confinement, etc - WERE ALL DRESSED IN POLICE UNIFORMS.

So the store owners had it coming right?

They should have expected it given the Harper government insisted on holding the summit in the downtown core instead of at a remote secure facility like say, Petawawa.

The store owners can thank Harper for allowing the cops the opportunity to show their true blue neo-con colours.

Smallc · May 16, 2012

No it isn't.

What a compelling argument.

Rick · May 16, 2012

What a compelling argument.

I was using his own compelling style of argument (re: khadr thread, page 133) so he could comprehend it.

g_bambino · May 16, 2012

They should have expected it given the Harper government insisted on holding the summit in the downtown core instead of at a remote secure facility like say, Petawawa.
The store owners can thank Harper for allowing the cops the opportunity to show their true blue neo-con colours.

Is rabble shut down today, or something? (Harper has cyber-brownshirts now!!)

Signals.Cpl · May 16, 2012

I was using his own compelling style of argument (re: khadr thread, page 133) so he could comprehend it.

Funny how you are wrong in EVERY thread.

Rick · May 16, 2012

Funny how you are wrong in EVERY thread.

Only according to neo-con fascists who cannot stand the truth being reported.

Signals.Cpl · May 16, 2012

Only according to neo-con fascists who cannot stand the truth being reported.

Please tell me what makes me fascist?

Point by point since I have a right to know how Im a fascist.

Rick · May 16, 2012

Please tell me what makes me fascist?

Point by point since I have a right to know how Im a fascist.

That's your issue to ponder about yourself, not mine to explain.

Signals.Cpl · May 16, 2012

That's your issue to ponder about yourself, not mine to explain.

You call me fascist and then can't back it up. I am SHOCKED actually its your usual pattern...

Rick · May 16, 2012

You call me fascist and then can't back it up. I am SHOCKED actually its your usual pattern...

I'll leave it at this...I'm following what Charles Anthony asked for yesterday... you might be wise to do likewise.

Signals.Cpl · May 16, 2012

I'll leave it at this...I'm following what Charles Anthony asked for yesterday... you might be wise to do likewise.

You accuse and then try to back away from your words. You need a better understanding of the words you are using when you are making accusations. If you can't afford one I can mail you a dictionary.

jacee · May 17, 2012

Blair not yet ready to act on OIPRD G20 findings

But Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair still doesn’t feel he needs to apologize for any mistakes made or the actions of his officers during that tumultuous weekend two years ago.

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“I just want to assure all the people of Toronto that the police service, and their chief, are quite prepared to hold people accountable for misconduct if misconduct is proven on the basis of evidence given before a tribunal,” Blair vowed.

“Everyone, regardless of rank from constables right up to the chief, everyone is responsible for their conduct,” he added.

OK chief.

Act responsible for your illegal orders and step down.

Take back the street” was an order that flew out of meeting at Toronto Police headquarters convened by an “angry” Chief Bill Blair.

This order changed the whole tone of the G20 weekend. Was it lawful? It resulted in 1,000 people, not related to the Black Bloc, being detained. Without this order there would have been no Adam Nobody arrest or broken arm for Dorian Barton. No Officer Bubbles folklore, people charged at by mounted unit horses, rubber bullets, mass arrests, detentions, kettling and strip searches.

The comprehensive, 300-page report released Wednesday by the Office of the Independent Police Review Director Gerry McNeilly, spelled out findings that showed what went wrong started at the top.

http://m.torontosun.com/2012/05/16/blair-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-make-next-move-on-g20-mess

Take a step down Blair!

It's on you!

OIRPD G20 report cites officers ‘blindly following orders,’ trampling ‘basic rights’

* Changes to the Police Services Act and police Code of Conduct that would impose a duty on officers to disclose potential evidence of misconduct misconduct

• Senior officers especially should not condone or distance themselves from the misconduct of subordinates or colleagues subordinates or colleagues

Edited May 17, 2012 by jacee

jacee · May 18, 2012

Dozens of police officers face disciplinary charges for G20 actions

Dozens of police officers – including senior Toronto commanders – are facing disciplinary charges for their actions during a crackdown against protesters at the G20 summit, the Globe and Mail has learned.

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The Office of the Independent Police Review Director investigated hundreds of complaints against police stemming from the summit. It ordered charges relating to 107 of the cases, of which 96 were deemed to be“serious.”

The head of the union representing front-line officers said Thursday just shy of 30 of his officers had been charged In addition to this, a handful of senior officers -- those who rank above staff-sergeant -- will also face charges

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One MICC commander, Superintendant Mark Fenton, was found to have ordered police to kettle crowds on the streets, surrounding people and leaving no exit.

The eight constables against whom the board has decided to proceed with disciplinary hearings are: Vincent Wong, Blair Begbie, Alan Li, Donald Stratton Micahle Kirpoff, Ryan Simpson, Jason Crawford and Michael Martinez.

I understaand that the disciplinary tribunal hearings will be open to the public.

http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/torontog20summit/article/1180052--g20-aftermath-high-ranking-and-frontline-toronto-police-officers-face-charges?bn=1

The other two senior officers are Supt. Michael Farrar and Staff. Insp. Frank Ruffolo, who were in charge of the prisoner processing facility on Eastern Ave

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he watchdog noted in one of its reports that Fenton should not “stand alone in taking responsibility for the arbitrary arrest and detention” at Queen and Spadina. Deputy Chief Tony Warr and Police Chief Bill Blair should also have acted faster to ensure the safety of the people boxed in at the intersection, the report said. The Star learned that about five officers in command roles were notified last week they will be facing misconduct charges in relation to their eadership during the summit. The police services board and Toronto police would not confirm whether the three officers named in the two OIPRD reports are among the five. Blair is not one of the high-ranking officers facing disciplinary action, said Mukherjee.

Now that's a shame.

Just a reminder ...

More than 1,100 people were arrested during the Toronto summit (the OIPRD estimates as many as 1,140 arrests, but says it was impossible to tell due to shoddy paperwork). Only 32 people have since been found guilty of G20-related crimes, however. Most charges were stayed or withdrawn.

http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/torontog20summit/article/1179611--oiprd-review-reveals-policing-gone-wrong-during-the-g20-summit

Edited May 18, 2012 by jacee

GostHacked · May 18, 2012

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/17/g20-officers-discipline.html

Stops short of getting the top dogs who called for the kettling ...

Misconduct charges are expected against 45 Toronto police officers involved in the G20 summit two years ago, including five senior officers, one of them the commander who gave the notorious order to "kettle" protesters.
A copy of an investigative report carrying the logo of the provincial watchdog agency, the Office of the Independent Police Review Director, was provided to CBC News late Thursday night by one of the 37 people who filed complaints about their treatment during the kettling incident. CBC News was unable to confirm its authenticity with the OIPRD.

The report says some of the responsibility for detaining several hundred people for four hours in the rain goes all the way to the top, to Toronto police Chief Bill Blair and Deputy Chief Tony Warr, though it falls short of mandating charges against them.

I guess they are either feeling the pressure from the public, or they realize they need to actually correct the issue. Either way, it's a bit of good news.

g_bambino · May 18, 2012

Stops short of getting the top dogs who called for the kettling ...

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, since 1) it is lawful for the police to detain people for up to 24 hours, even if no charge is laid, and 2) kettling is not itself illegal.

Signals.Cpl · May 18, 2012

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, since 1) it is lawful for the police to detain people for up to 24 hours, even if no charge is laid, and 2) kettling is not itself illegal.

Will you stop stating facts? This is not a thread about facts, its a thread to say "f*ck the police". Repeating the same fact over and over again will not help you break through the dream world some people live in.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

jacee · May 18, 2012

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/17/g20-officers-discipline.html

Stops short of getting the top dogs who called for the kettling ...

I guess they are either feeling the pressure from the public, or they realize they need to actually correct the issue. Either way, it's a bit of good news.

Sure is!

Chief Blair and Deputy Chief Tony Warr gave the order to "take back the streets". Chief Blair gave the order to arrest anyone wearing a bandana or backpack.

They should be charged but since Blair is the one laying the charges against police (on direction from the Police Services Board), it's unlikely that he will charge himself.

If anyone wants to express an opinion about that, you can contact the Toronto Police Services Board here:

http://www.tpsb.ca/Contact/

To give credit where due, however, I understand that it was Blair who eventually ordered the release of the people at Queen and Spadina.

Kudos to the cops at Queen and Spadina who disobeyed the order and let some people leave! We need more like them.

Edited May 18, 2012 by jacee

GostHacked · May 18, 2012

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, since 1) it is lawful for the police to detain people for up to 24 hours, even if no charge is laid, and 2) kettling is not itself illegal.

I really can't figure out what side you are on. One moment you are against the police and their actions, and then the next you support them or play the 'wait and see' game.

Kettling is considered illegal in this case, because that would mean that the cops gave them a way out. Telling them to go home and yet not allowing a means for that to happen clearly violates the rights of those people.

Make a stand or get out of the way.