I just got an E mail from Jason Kenny

[cybercoma]

I can't believe what a bunch of heartless bastards people on this forum are. You pampered little cry-babies are worried about your tax dollars being "wasted," while refugees come from literally the most deplorable circumstances on this planet. And you would look them in the eye and tell them that you refuse to give them medical care because you want to save a couple bucks on your taxes (which is debatable anyway). You jerks make me sick.

[jacee]

I can't believe what a bunch of heartless bastards people on this forum are. You pampered little cry-babies are worried about your tax dollars being "wasted," while refugees come from literally the most deplorable circumstances on this planet. And you would look them in the eye and tell them that you refuse to give them medical care because you want to save a couple bucks on your taxes (which is debatable anyway). You jerks make me sick.

Ya, what he said. It's so tiring listening to well off people whining about their 'entitlements' and trashing refugee families who have nothing ...

Perhaps a reminder is in order that many of them are refugees from corporate destruction and destabilization in their own countries carried out by North American companies for profit, to benefit their stockholders. Canadian registered mining companies like Barrick Gold are the worst international offenders, bribing local officials (in violation of international laws) to allow unsafe and environmentally destructive practices that poison water sources and destroy local subsistence and livelihoods.

The companies that forced them off their land and out of their homeland should be charged for their health care costs.

[PIK]

I can't believe what a bunch of heartless bastards people on this forum are. You pampered little cry-babies are worried about your tax dollars being "wasted," while refugees come from literally the most deplorable circumstances on this planet. And you would look them in the eye and tell them that you refuse to give them medical care because you want to save a couple bucks on your taxes (which is debatable anyway). You jerks make me sick.

And why are these people leaving these countries. IMO it is because of thier cultures that do not allow them to grow and prosper. It is time for some to learn how to live together and thrive. Do you really think we are helping in the long run by just giving into everyone on the planet that wants to come here. We have been stealing the best and brightest of these countries for decades, it is time to stop. Everybody can't live here.

[Fletch 27]

Yup, I would! I lost all respect for the refugee process when the 18 of the 23 Tamils arrested in Toronto's insurance scam (Bump the car in front or behind and claim injury) we waiting for the refugee claims to be approved. They had nice teeth for the camera's however..

We do NOT need any more refugee's, what we need is imigration, nice and filtered and by the book..

I can't believe what a bunch of heartless bastards people on this forum are. You pampered little cry-babies are worried about your tax dollars being "wasted," while refugees come from literally the most deplorable circumstances on this planet. And you would look them in the eye and tell them that you refuse to give them medical care because you want to save a couple bucks on your taxes (which is debatable anyway). You jerks make me sick.

[Guest Peeves]

I can't believe what a bunch of heartless bastards people on this forum are. You pampered little cry-babies are worried about your tax dollars being "wasted," while refugees come from literally the most deplorable circumstances on this planet. And you would look them in the eye and tell them that you refuse to give them medical care because you want to save a couple bucks on your taxes (which is debatable anyway). You jerks make me sick. 9insert derisive s

From one you term a heartless bastard. You might add an INFORMED Bastard.

You make me want some of the pink pixie powder that blinds you to the inappropriate benefits/funding for refugee claimants that exceed that benefit which a Canadian citizen gets. Refugee claims that are the most lenient in the world. That are constantly and unabashedly abused and have been for a generation.

Your quote;( while refugees come from literally the most deplorable circumstances on this planet")

, is sublime in it's inaccuracy! Pompous and erroneous in fact, and ignorant in charges.

Phony refugee claims most often refer to 'refugee claimants' from such places as the USA, Hungary, Israel etc. democracies!

Certainly not from deplorable conditions. What may be deplorable is those making such ridiculously extreme comments about that which they have little understanding of at all. Canada's indulgent treatment of refugee claimants exceeds that of any country. The abuse of the refugee system in Canada is legend.

That makes me sick. Bleeding heart liberals with little sense of reality make me sick.

The proposed restrictions are selectively applied ..to those claiming refugee status such as Hungarians that come by the hundreds..thousands, get benefits beyond what Canadians do under our current system and more often than not abandon their refugee claim or have it denied.

Why should such, again from other democracies, get preferential benefits beyond what even a Canadian gets. Explain that with reason and rational facts.

I strongly suggest many have little understanding of the real refugee matter but simply emotionally jerk their knee without any basis for doing so. Without any example fact or argument as to why THE Proposals are not common sense given the facts on the current abuses which some care to ignore.

5 years or so, 490 'refugees' landed here on a boat. To date I think less than 25 have been expelled after hearings that determined their claims to be false and they are to be deported.Have you and a few others lost the sense of reason to expect Canadians to pay the price for this travesty!

To pay for better benefits for Hungarians arriving by the thousands from a fellow democratic country!, To give better benefits to an American deserter than to a Canadian! To give better benefits to a war criminal claimant who has repeatedly been ordered deported for over 20 years!

Last year, Hungary had the greatest number of refugee claimants, with 4,423 applying for that status in Canada. A year earlier the figure was just 2,296.

THESE * ARE * FROM * A * EUROPEAN * DEMOCRATIC * COUNTRY * NOT * A * THIRD * WORLD * COUNTRY!

‘Almost none of these European asylum claimants even show up for their hearings … but they all do show up in Ontario’s welfare program’

If that bill passes, the immigration system would move bona fide refugees through to permanent residency in the span of months rather than years, and it would make it easier and quicker for the government to identify and weed out false refugee claimants.

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[bud]

one of the changes kenney made was to return all federal skilled worker applications that were sent before february 2008.

over 250,000 people were effected by this decision. people who have been planning their lives around their immigration to canada. these people were qualified under the rules when they applied and now, because of immigration canada's inefficiency, they have to suffer.

the harper government has made quite a few decisions that have damaged canada's reputation.

[Guest Peeves]

one of the changes kenney made was to return all federal skilled worker applications that were sent before february 2008.

over 250,000 people were effected by this decision. people who have been planning their lives around their immigration to canada. these people were qualified under the rules when they applied and now, because of immigration canada's inefficiency, they have to suffer.

the harper government has made quite a few decisions that have damaged canada's reputation.

Before February 2008. So now they can be fast tracked rather than languishing in a line started by the Liberals.

[bud]

Before February 2008. So now they can be fast tracked rather than languishing in a line started by the Liberals.

majority will not be eligible under the new rules.

[Guest Peeves]

majority will not be eligible under the new rules.

How so? And if so is that to Canada's advantage?

[Fletch 27]

You should check your facts before simply whining about Steve Harper and the Majority government that Canada gave him.. The Majority of Canadians are VERY happy of the party to date.. Lets stop the Whining

majority will not be eligible under the new rules.

[Guest Peeves]

You should check your facts before simply whining about Steve Harper and the Majority government that Canada gave him.. The Majority of Canadians are VERY happy of the party to date.. Lets stop the Whining

I don't think that's his point, he refers to the majority of 'canceled' immigrants, not Harper's majority.

[Guest Peeves]

I'm a citizen. I've probably taken more out of the system than I put in. I'm currently between jobs and on social assistance. Why should I get something for free that you have to pay for?

Your response is a non sequitur with nothing to do with refugee benefits or mine.

The gist of the changes are covered here.

"Canadians have been telling us they don't think that smuggled migrants and bogus asylum claimants should be getting better health-care benefits than Canadian seniors and taxpayers," Kenney said. "They won't be getting extras that Canadians don't get, like dental, eye care, and discretionary pharmaceuticals."

Most refugee claimants will still get coverage similar to most provincial health plans while officials determine whether their claim is genuine, but coverage for prescription drugs, glasses, and dentist visits would disappear.

So, claimants would still be covered if they go to a doctor to get checked out for a cold or flu, but they'd have to pay for antibiotics.

NDP immigration critic Jinny Sims argues that's not enough for poor refugee claimants who come to Canada with serious dental or eye problems.

Rejected claimants or those who come from so-called "safe" countries, like European Union members who almost never produce legitimate claims, would get only bare bones coverage "to prevent or treat a disease posing a risk to public health or a condition of public safety concern."

Now you may fault that, but I tire of some bleeding heart liberal socialist leftist/communistic whiners that hate our government so much, that even common sense controls on tax dollars become targets for loopy lous.

Let's consider a Hungarian claimant from a fellow democracy, or a deserter from the USA as THE refugee claimant.

Some expect, contrary to every other countries laws on refugees, (FULL )free health care, lodging, food, clothing and the like regardless the legitimacy of a claim from another democracy.

That exceeds what a Canadian on a small income perhaps working as a crossing guard, greeter or handing out fliers for additional income would be entitled to receive.

Now most of the Hungarian claims a safe democratic country! (Our major applicants for refugee status are from Hungary of late) , either never show up, drop their claims or are denied. They either disappear or return to their country. I believe 'we' pay the flight cost.

So if a Canadian only gets specific coverage and benefits,....if every other country that accepts refugees has certain limits, if the majority of these claims FROM DEMOCRATIC SAFE COUNTRIES are proven phony, why should the tax payer be the victim of the fraudsters???

Isn't it reasonable and timely with our fiscal problems, to reign in spending and limiting benefits to reasonable levels. Unless you criticize simply because it's a Conservative government, the changes are obviously needed.

Next move, eliminate anchor babies.

[eyeball]

Next move, eliminate anchor babies.

The obvious go around for that is to threaten to abort them in Canada. As everyone knows human beings are only important to Conservatives before they're born.

Edited May 3, 2012 by eyeball

[jacee]

And why are these people leaving these countries. IMO it is because of thier cultures that do not allow them to grow and prosper.

Well ... not quite.

It's usually because their country has resources that western corporations want so their governments are bribed and make war on their own people to give access for mining, etc. Western corporations contribute funds for the conflicts that drive people off their ancestral lands. Some become refugees to Canada, effectively driven here by Canadian mining companies that operate unethically and sometimes illegally, while posting nice policies for 'corporate social responsibility' on their websites.

May 14, 2007 Canada in the Congo War Role of mining, resource extraction has been neglected

May 26, 2007 Mining the Congo Canadian mining companies in the DRC

That's just one example, one country. Miningwatch.ca provides many more.

Canada's regulation of mining is particularly loose, and we are known as some of the worst aggressors and most likely to operate via bribery abroad.

Not a pretty story, but true ... and true to our own history too: Indigenous peoples of North America were and are pushed off their land to make way for industry - fur trade, farming, mining, etc.

Canada is a colonial country, and operates abroad the same way it operates here, without concern for the health and well being of people.

Canadians are nice people (mostly), but (corporate) 'Canada' is not 'nice'.

[Argus]

Not a lot of Christian charity among the Cons is there.

Not a lot of the refugees are Christians.

And maybe the 'Cons' get more upset about wasting taxes because they're the ones who are paying them.

[Argus]

I am a citizen, and I got my treatment at no cost, meanwhile this bill would force refugees to pay $2000

You do? Who pays for your dental care? There is no national dental plan. So unless you have private health insurance, you're either going to ER or lying.

[Argus]

I can't believe what a bunch of heartless bastards people on this forum are. You pampered little cry-babies are worried about your tax dollars being "wasted,"

Because we're the ones paying for it. Most on the Left here pay few or no taxes.

Of course, they tend to be quite generous with the government's money...

[Argus]

The obvious go around for that is to threaten to abort them in Canada. As everyone knows human beings are only important to Conservatives before they're born.

The obvious 'go around' is that if you're born to foreign parents you're foreign. You don't get Canadian citizenship simply by being born here while mom was on a travel visa.

[madmax]

You do? Who pays for your dental care? There is no national dental plan. So unless you have private health insurance, you're either going to ER or lying.

Or a member of the military...

Regardless, its time we have dental coverage...

I think people need to realize if its good enough for Refugees its good enough for us...

[madmax]

The obvious 'go around' is that if you're born to foreign parents you're foreign. You don't get Canadian citizenship simply by being born here while mom was on a travel visa.

Are you 100% certain... cause I don't know for sure, I thought if you were born here you were Canadian regardless of parentage?

Just askin...

[Argus]

Are you 100% certain... cause I don't know for sure, I thought if you were born here you were Canadian regardless of parentage?

Just askin...

That is the present law. What I was suggesting was that this should be changed. If you're born to a foreign parent who is merely a temporary resident of Canada, you should assume their citizenship when they return home. I was born in Germany to Canadian parents. But I do not have German citizenship.

[jacee]

And why are these people leaving these countries. IMO it is because of thier cultures that do not allow them to grow and prosper.

Well ... not quite.

It's usually because their country has resources that western corporations want so their governments are bribed and make war on their own people to give access for mining, etc. Western corporations contribute funds for the conflicts that drive people off their ancestral lands. Some become refugees to Canada, effectively driven here by Canadian mining companies that operate unethically and sometimes illegally, while posting nice policies for 'corporate social responsibility' on their websites.

May 14, 2007 Canada in the Congo War Role of mining, resource extraction has been neglected

May 26, 2007 Mining the Congo Canadian mining companies in the DRC

That's just one example, one country. Miningwatch.ca provides many more.

Canada's regulation of mining is particularly loose, and we are known as some of the worst aggressors and most likely to operate via bribery abroad (eta ... and violate human rights).

Not a pretty story, but true ... and true to our own history too: Indigenous peoples of North America were and are pushed off their land to make way for industry - fur trade, farming, mining, etc. (Eta oil)

Canada is a colonial country, and operates abroad the same way it operates here, without concern for the health and well being of people.

Canadians are nice people (mostly), but (corporate) 'Canada' is not 'nice'.

Edited May 3, 2012 by jacee

[jacee]

You should check your facts before simply whining about Steve Harper and the Majority government that Canada gave him.. The Majority of Canadians are VERY happy of the party to date.. Lets stop the Whining

Unh ... not quite.

Harper's latest poll gives him 30% support ... not a majority of Canadians.

[cybercoma]

Because we're the ones paying for it. Most on the Left here pay few or no taxes.

Of course, they tend to be quite generous with the government's money...

That's actually not true, but don't let the facts get in the way of your libellous and insulting comments.

[punked]

That is the present law. What I was suggesting was that this should be changed. If you're born to a foreign parent who is merely a temporary resident of Canada, you should assume their citizenship when they return home. I was born in Germany to Canadian parents. But I do not have German citizenship.

Because you never applied for one but you could have one if you wanted to.