I just got an E mail from Jason Kenny

[punked]

I have always favored full funding for immigration so that these cases can be disposed of promptly. Someone who comes in through a gateway should ideally be heard and processed almost immediately to determine if they are a refugee from persecution or from poverty. These cases are not rocket science. If someone is fleeing persecution they should be able to explain themselves.

I think the process is a lot clearer then you make out to be.

[Argus]

I've done it many times myself. What fails to do is make a logical argument. It just shows contempt, showing that the person is not interested in having a rational conversation about the topic because they're too emotionally invested in it.

No, it shows I have contempt for people who call me a racist because I don't think much of bringing in immigrants so out of wack with our culture we have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars teaching them how not to crap in the streets or whatever.

[jbg]

I think the process is a lot clearer then you make out to be.

If it is so clear, explain in clear terms how it's clear and why it takes years to deport someone.

[punked]

No, it shows I have contempt for people who call me a racist because I don't think much of bringing in immigrants so out of wack with our culture we have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars teaching them how not to crap in the streets or whatever.

No you were called a racist because you think we spend hundreds of millions teaching immigrants not to poop in the streets and you think that is what is done in other countries. I can tell you this I have worked with hundreds if immigrants most taking advantage of settlement programs in Canada which help them find a place to live, help enroll children in school, pair these people up with jobs and opportunities etc. Not once has anyone of these new immigrants tried to poop in the street. Sorry.

Edited May 6, 2012 by punked

[bush_cheney2004]

.... Not once has anyone of these new immigrants tried to poop in the street. Sorry.

Maybe not, but the native born citizens sure do:

Amy Carmichael

Canadian Press

June 8, 2005

VANCOUVER (CP) -- The ripe stench of human excrement is getting stronger in downtown lanes, curling the stomachs of workers who no longer want to relax by the back door for smoke breaks.

"We're getting to the point where the need for public toilets is getting serious," said Charles Gauthier, executive director of the Downtown Vancouver Business Improvement Association.

"There's a burgeoning entertainment district, a growing homelessness problem and people have nowhere to go.

"I've been with the association for 15 years and it's just becoming more and more of an issue for more of our members. The stench of urine and feces in back lanes in the central business district and the Downtown Eastside, where it's probably a lot worse."

The 10-block city slum is swollen with up to 5,000 injection drug users who have less control of their bowels. Many are homeless and have nowhere to go to the toilet.

Maybe "third world" immigrants can teach Vancouver how to deal with this problem.

[eyeball]

"We're getting to the point where the need for public toilets is getting serious,"

The 10-block city slum is swollen with up to 5,000 injection drug users who have less control of their bowels. Many are homeless and have nowhere to go to the toilet.

That's bound to bring a whole new meaning to the term crack-shack.

Edited May 7, 2012 by eyeball

[jacee]

An out-of-the-blue insult directed at the Conservatives for no particular reason but you think it's nice to call people names. Which, I suppose, pretty much sums of the mindset behind those who feel immigration is doing a great job. They do tend to be pretty much knowledge-free about the subject matter, and full of hate for anyone who disagrees.

If you actually read the cite you posted - which I doubt, since it was clearly too many words for your flighty mind to bother with - you'd notice that the examples he used of helpful immigration were mostly from European countries. He also failed to mention the number of failed immigrants, the number immigrants in jail and in welfare housing, or to back up any of his statements with actual demographic studies. Canada will have a million jobs unfilled! Oh the crisis! The crisis!

Wait, didn't they say that twenty years ago too?

This is simply the usual drivel spewed out by big business to push the government into letting it bring in ever more immigrants to keep wages low.

The CONtortions are unbelievable ...

They won't increase immigration because that would disturb their bigot core followers ... but they'll bring in lots of temporary workers for cheap wages to cater to their business base/funders ... but they can't stay here

And the health care and old age pensions for the aging baby boomers?

They'll just cut that ... austerity blah blah blah.

Pretty transparent and bigoted.

Edited May 7, 2012 by jacee

[jbg]

The CONtortions are unbelievable ...

They won't increase immigration because that would disturb their bigot core followers ... but they'll bring in lots of temporary workers for cheap wages to cater to their business base/funders ... but they can't stay here

And the health care and old age pensions for the aging baby boomers?

They'll just cut that ... austerity blah blah blah.

Pretty transparent and bigoted.

Bigoted? I think not.

Earlier waves of immigrants arrived with no expectation of receiving services and benefits. So it should be with recent ones. Neither of our countries can afford to feed the billions of people in the world living under incompetent or despotic governments, who leave their own people to starve.

[Guest Peeves]

The CONtortions are unbelievable ...

They won't increase immigration because that would disturb their bigot core followers ... but they'll bring in lots of temporary workers for cheap wages to cater to their business base/funders ... but they can't stay here

And the health care and old age pensions for the aging baby boomers?

They'll just cut that ... austerity blah blah blah.

Pretty transparent and bigoted.

Conservatives have brought in more immigrants I believe.That would , if true, make those claiming Conservatives are in any way reducing immigration out and out liars.

Additionally, contrary to your spew, ( add derisive snort), Conservatives have been critical of temporary workers being imported while Canadians are drawing E.I.

I think your position may be faulty and biased, and maybe a bit shitty?

[cybercoma]

Bigoted? I think not.

Earlier waves of immigrants arrived with no expectation of receiving services and benefits. So it should be with recent ones. Neither of our countries can afford to feed the billions of people in the world living under incompetent or despotic governments, who leave their own people to starve.

Should it?

We made children work in factories before, often times in deadly and dangerous conditions, does that mean we shouldn't expect that children shouldn't work in factories?

Just because things were one way before, that's not a logical reason that they should stay that way.

[Guest Peeves]

Should it?

We made children work in factories before, often times in deadly and dangerous conditions, does that mean we shouldn't expect that children shouldn't work in factories?

Just because things were one way before, that's not a logical reason that they should stay that way.

You only selectively responded to the opinion. What is your alternative? Feed, house, provide, full health care,and accept any and all?

That's hardly logical either. Pissing on a post without a suggested alternative is pretty shallow.

Now, I suggest there be limits on the immigrants that will be an overall cost to the public purse.

If there's a negative to Canadian tax payers, we can't just accept anyone and subsidize them. We can't allow the older parents that will draw from our overloaded health care. ( I wait 5 hours now to see a Dr. in a E.R.)

Those sponsoring immigrants..family, should be held to their committal to support them if they become

a cost to our systems. That is often ignored,

Immigrants that will contribute overall to our country and our economy should be given some preference as in other countries that have changed immigration and refugee laws.

Certainly things should change, for the better, and adding more tax to Canadians so an immigrant can get better health care and support beyond a Canadians is certainly illogical!

There need be controls on immigration, not fewer,but more selective choice made.Too many dead beats, criminals, war criminal and those bringing in their objectionable cultural baggage have been accepted .

Edited May 7, 2012 by Peeves

[cybercoma]

I was responding to the faulty logic. I didn't offer any sort of argument on the matter.

Edited May 7, 2012 by cybercoma

[capricorn]

There need be controls on immigration, not fewer,but more selective choice made.

In fact, not controlling the type of immigrant we accept can have devastating effects on those we've been admitting.

New immigration rules: Canada wants more skilled tradespersons than managers with big degrees

---

Problem of Over-qualification

There have been growing concerns among the Indian Canadian community over new immigrants ending up with jobs that they are over-qualified for or remaining unemployed for large periods after they land in Canada. The proposed changes are largely being seen as a step to tackle such issues.

In fact, a recent study by Canada's Institute for Work & Health found that new immigrants who ended up with jobs that they were too qualified for were at risk of poorer mental health within a relatively short period of time. "Many of us have heard accounts of engineers or physicians immigrating to Canada only to find jobs driving taxis," says research associate Cynthia Chen, the lead author of the study.

Immigrants who were over-qualified reported declines in mental health over a four-year period which could be traced to general dissatisfaction with their job situation. "Canadian immigration policy selects highly skilled, healthy immigrants to be admitted into this country," Chen says. "Without proper recognition and use of their foreign educational credentials and work experiences, it is unlikely that new immigrants will achieve their potential in the Canadian labour market."

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-05-06/news/31588221_1_skilled-workers-skilled-immigrants-immigration-canada

It's time we tailored our immigration system to ensure our labour market needs are met and immigrants have greater opportunities to succeed in our society.

[Guest Peeves]

In fact, not controlling the type of immigrant we accept can have devastating effects on those we've been admitting.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-05-06/news/31588221_1_skilled-workers-skilled-immigrants-immigration-canada

It's time we tailored our immigration system to ensure our labour market needs are met and immigrants have greater opportunities to succeed in our society.

Most countries have by now. Canada has been the most lax, lenient, and ridiculed for it's immigration. In fact, the USA was quite concerned as it should be with common borders, as to just who we were/are letting in as refugees and immigrants.

When we have a convicted war criminal successfully appealing deportation for 20+ years, we all should see the need for review and change.

Those that don't, well, one must ask why?

Hate the Government?

Hate the USA?

Hate Harper?

Hate Conservatism?

[punked]

Most countries have by now. Canada has been the most lax, lenient, and ridiculed for it's immigration. In fact, the USA was quite concerned as it should be with common borders, as to just who we were/are letting in as refugees and immigrants.

When we have a convicted war criminal successfully appealing deportation for 20+ years, we all should see the need for review and change.

Those that don't, well, one must ask why?

Hate the Government?

Hate the USA?

Hate Harper?

Hate Conservatism?

The US has wanted to control our boarders going back to the 60s. That isn't evidence for anything, they can't even control their own.

Edited May 8, 2012 by punked

[bush_cheney2004]

The US has wanted to control our boarders going back to the 60s.

Yep.....1760's!

Edited May 8, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[punked]

Yep.....1760's!

Pretty much.

[jbg]

The US has wanted to control our boarders going back to the 60s. That isn't evidence for anything, they can't even control their own.

Yep.....1760's!

Pretty much.

Well, more from 1775 or so. There were no borders during the 1760's. De facto there were after the Battles of Lexington and Concord.

[punked]

It is such a good bill the Conservatives are rewriting it. Tells you something about the Con supporters around here.

[cybercoma]

It is such a good bill the Conservatives are rewriting it. Tells you something about the Con supporters around here.

That they can't be taken seriously?

[Guest Peeves]

That they can't be taken seriously?

As usual, you couldn't resist making a snide remark, however it was underwhelming. You must try harder. Such as the Conservatives are in the majority in government and what's left is the left over left over from the CCF that is.

[punked]

As usual, you couldn't resist making a snide remark, however it was underwhelming. You must try harder. Such as the Conservatives are in the majority in government and what's left is the left over left over from the CCF that is.

That statement doesn't make any sense.

[Guest Peeves]

That statement doesn't make any sense.

Does 2. Wellll,to me it does. See the losers in the election were left sorta at the post which makes them left overs, and since they are 'left' NDP, the NDP is a left over from the CCF.

So I'm saying... never mind, have some NDP looser explain it. Harper won you see ..

[punked]

Does 2. Wellll,to me it does. See the losers in the election were left sorta at the post which makes them left overs, and since they are 'left' NDP, the NDP is a left over from the CCF.

So I'm saying... never mind, have some NDP looser explain it. Harper won you see ..

So your answer to the a question about good governance is to shout

"SCOREBOARD"!!!

Atta boy I bet you fit right into the Conservative party of Canada.

[Scotty]

Maybe not, but the native born citizens sure do:

Maybe "third world" immigrants can teach Vancouver how to deal with this problem.

You can't compare eastside Vancouver to Canada. It's a special little zoo maintained by the bleeding heart liberals of BC (who never EVER go near the place) filled with drug addicts and the homeless. If conservatives had their way the place would be fumigated.