Tories reducing border

[jacee]

Well why not give an intelligent critique of them? Using profanities is easy.

Different styles/cultures.

Canadian cops/military use diplomacy to de-escalate, resolve.

US ... more likely to escalate to violence to take control.

That's just my opinion.

It's just an uncomfortable idea.

I'm a bit surprised at the big cuts to CBSA surveillance/intelligence. Perhaps it's been given away?

Edited April 13, 2012 by jacee

[cybercoma]

Canadian cops/military use diplomacy to de-escalate, resolve.

Unless you're protesting world leaders and corporations.

[jbg]

I think the president told them to stay in America, not to travel to other lands. Must be that it's too scary in Canada.

"And one of the great goals of this Nation's war is to restore public confidence in the airline industry. It's to tell the traveling public: Get on board; do your business around the country; fly and enjoy America's great destination spots; get down to Disney World in Florida; take your families and enjoy life the way we want it to be enjoyed."

I don't think the President told anyone not to visit Canada. And I don't think many Americans would obey him if he did.

Canadian cops/military use diplomacy to de-escalate, resolve.

US ... more likely to escalate to violence to take control.

I guess you're not "tazed" by what happened at Vancouver Airport?

[Smallc]

Unless you're protesting world leaders and corporations.

[capricorn]

Really, you tell that to the people who got slips.

Yes, people got slips. But it doesn't mean the slips will result in unemployed public servants. Many of those workers will be retiring or given incentive packages to retire, and some will go on a priority list for re-employment elsewhere in the CBSA or other government departments. And believe me there will be job opportunities for the displaced workers. The union knows that. One of their major concerns though is the extent to which these cuts will impact on the union dues they're collecting from their pool of union members that will leaving the public service or who will be paying union dues to other bargaining agents due to reassignment/transfers etc. Unions look after their own pockets.

BTW, Harper has a greement with the US that the US will be going most of the monitoring, which sounds it leading to the NAU, maybe the border will disappear.

What would you rather have? A North American Union or a New World Order? Maybe Infowars can shed light on the better alternative.

[jacee]

Unless you're protesting world leaders and corporations.

Definite US flavour at the G20, from the 'security committee' where there was US involvement, on down the chain of command.

[cybercoma]

Definite US flavour at the G20, from the 'security committee' where there was US involvement, on down the chain of command.

I beg to differ. Canada has just as long of a history of breaking protests with violence. The Winnipeg General Strike (1919) is just one early example of the government using violent force to break up a protest. They sent in the RCMP (then the Royal Northwest Mounted Police), who beat people with clubs and shot into the crowds. There were many casualties and at least one person was killed, although some historical texts say two. In 1872, printers in Toronto were arrested for going on strike and picketing remained a crime until an amendment was made to the criminal code in 1934. In individual confrontations, they've been known to be violent with accused persons as well. The RCMP killed Robert Dziekański at the Vancouver airport. Let's not forget the guy that was shot dead in the street in Montreal back in February. If you don't know about the Neil Stonechild case, it defies explanation. I wouldn't say our police are any better or worse than American police.

[bush_cheney2004]

I think the president told them to stay in America, not to travel to other lands. Must be that it's too scary in Canada.

No, I think Canadians are huddled so close to the US border that driving south is just far more likely than Americans driving north to Nunavut. Hell, most Canadians don't even drive there. "The Border" has a far bigger role in the psyche, travel, and destination habits of Canadians than it does for Americans.

[-TSS-]

There is an interesting debate going on in the UK over their border-agency which openly admits it can't 100% guarantee that no-one slips through the net. In fact every year tens of thousands of immigrants go missing. Britain is a relatively small island and should easily be able to oversee which people come and which people go into and out of the UK.

The very fact that the same police-force was so efficient at hunting down the rioters of last summer's riots has given rise to a lot of conspiracy-theories. What if the border-control is not even supposed to be tight? Britain is not part of the Schengen-treaty, it should still have the right to police its borders except the one against the Republic of Ireland.

[Smallc]

The very fact that the same police-force was so efficient at hunting down the rioters of last summer's riots

I doubt that the London Police control the UK border.

[jbg]

There is an interesting debate going on in the UK over their border-agency which openly admits it can't 100% guarantee that no-one slips through the net.

I doubt that the London Police control the UK border.

Swimmers are hard to catch.

[fellowtraveller]

Is the border against Alaska as strictly supervised as the the border against rest of the USA? Probably not. Not much of a chance of illegal immigrants trying to enter Canada from Alaska?

There are only two road crossings from Yukon to Alaska on a shared border of 1200 kms. You could cross a few places by river to Yukon, but on all of them you'd be travelling vast distances and paddling upstream, both of which are harder than you might imagine.

No, I think Canadians are huddled so close to the US border that driving south is just far more likely than Americans driving north to Nunavut. Hell, most Canadians don't even drive there.

Yeah, it would be much easier for both Americans and Canadians to drive to Nunavut if there was a road that went there too.

eta: there are actually four land crossings, I forgot Haines and Skagway

Edited April 13, 2012 by fellowtraveller

[jbg]

There are only two road crossings from Yukon to Alaska on a shared border of 1200 kms. You could cross a few places by river to Yukon, but on all of them you'd be travelling vast distances and paddling upstream, both of which are harder than you might imagine.

Yeah, it would be much easier for both Americans and Canadians to drive to Nunavut if there was a road that went there too.

Wouldn't you be paddling downhill from Yukon to Alaska?

eta: there are actually four land crossings, I forgot Haines and Skagway

Those goe to BC, no?

[bush_cheney2004]

Yeah, it would be much easier for both Americans and Canadians to drive to Nunavut if there was a road that went there too.

Precisely...no wonder more Canadians can be found on roads that actually do exist (heading for New Jersey or Florida).

[fellowtraveller]

Those goe to BC, no?

The Skaway crossing does, but only in the most nominal way. They are both very pleasant, sometimes spectacualr trips. Unfortunately, Skagway is an epic tourist trap shithole that exists for the cruise ship traffic. haines is a pretty cool place, I like it a lot.

Wouldn't you be paddling downhill from Yukon to Alaska?

Yep, and that is what I said.

[Topaz]

Yes, people got slips. But it doesn't mean the slips will result in unemployed public servants. Many of those workers will be retiring or given incentive packages to retire, and some will go on a priority list for re-employment elsewhere in the CBSA or other government departments. And believe me there will be job opportunities for the displaced workers. The union knows that. One of their major concerns though is the extent to which these cuts will impact on the union dues they're collecting from their pool of union members that will leaving the public service or who will be paying union dues to other bargaining agents due to reassignment/transfers etc. Unions look after their own pockets.

What would you rather have? A North American Union or a New World Order? Maybe Infowars can shed light on the better alternative.

A NWO is the head of the NAU. Question, didn't you say your worked for the Feds? Sounds like you could have been in management by your comments?

[jacee]

I beg to differ. Canada has just as long of a history of breaking protests with violence. The Winnipeg General Strike (1919) is just one early example of the government using violent force to break up a protest. They sent in the RCMP (then the Royal Northwest Mounted Police), who beat people with clubs and shot into the crowds. There were many casualties and at least one person was killed, although some historical texts say two. In 1872, printers in Toronto were arrested for going on strike and picketing remained a crime until an amendment was made to the criminal code in 1934. In individual confrontations, they've been known to be violent with accused persons as well. The RCMP killed Robert Dziekański at the Vancouver airport. Let's not forget the guy that was shot dead in the street in Montreal back in February. If you don't know about the Neil Stonechild case, it defies explanation. I wouldn't say our police are any better or worse than American police.

I don't excuse any of that.

I was only reacting to the idea of US cops policing us. No thanks! We have enough issues with our own, though they have some diplomatic strengths too. But that wasn't apparent at the G20, where

I do believe US Security was influential in policing decisions,

But ours are still accountable for their actions.

G20 lawsuits pile up

Edited April 15, 2012 by jacee