The Veil? Fergetaboutit! Ban the hoodie!~

[jbg]

So is this about demeanor or hoodies? The way the conversation is going, I thought it was a discussion about hoodies. Afterall, I was told that they're "gangsta rap style."

Why are you trying to isolate one or the other? Are you trying to give common sense a sabbatical?

[cybercoma]

Why are you trying to isolate one or the other? Are you trying to give common sense a sabbatical?

Well, if they can't be isolated, then surely the demeanor of those above suit your argument... you know, since the hoodie and demeanor go hand-in-hand and cannot be isolated.

[jbg]

Well, if they can't be isolated, then surely the demeanor of those above suit your argument... you know, since the hoodie and demeanor go hand-in-hand and cannot be isolated.

Goes with my earlier post about dress that sets people apart.

[capricorn]

I keep seeing criminals in pictures attired in hoodies. What we should do is ban hoodies!

What purpose do they serve beyond hiding identity or masking features. Let's stop allowing hoodies in stores like Indians in some areas that were robbed by burka wearing men, have outlawed the burka.

I can see parkas in winter but hoodies are unnecessary and scary.

Peeves, you are one paranoid dude.

Hoodie-wearers -- a group that transcends race and age -- interviewed in Teaneck and Paterson, N.J., this week said they wear the garments because they are warm, comfortable and lighter than bulky winter jackets. They also are relatively cheap -- $20 at Target, for example, or $59.50 at Aeropostale.

"It’s cold as hell," said Kary Rivera, 15, an Eastside High School student who wore a light gray hoodie as she walked with friends on Seeley Street in Paterson.

Hoodies are like uniforms to her peers, she said. "If you go into my closet, all you would see are hoodies -- in every colour."

Isaac Rappoport, 17, a Teaneck High School student who wears hoodies "almost every day," said Rivera’s comments amounted to profiling.

"Somebody’s style is completely unrelated to their character," Rappoport said. "It’s a very common piece of clothing for young people, and to just stereotype every single young person who wears a hoodie is basically stereotyping every single young person as a hoodlum, and it’s just not true."

Destiny Hernandez, 15, a student at Eastside High School, said a hoodie says one thing about its wearer.

"It says that they are cold," she said.

http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Defending+hoodie+Garment+reason+stereotype+students/6386359/story.html

If I saw a couple of guys comming towards me in hoodies I might just cross the street~

Then go ahead and cross the street. Your paranoia might just get you run over by a car or a bus.

[Moonlight Graham]

Wore a hoodie today. I love them. I'm not a "gangsta".

Ban backwards ballcaps, that's the real enemy!

How about we ban friggin' morons who shoot people?

Edited April 2, 2012 by Moonlight Graham

[Wild Bill]

Wore a hoodie today. I love them. I'm not a "gangta".

Ban backwards ballcaps, that's the real enemy!

How about we ban friggin' morons who shoot people?

Whether or not the style connection is valid is irrelevant. Whether or not people should mistrust those wearing hoodies is also irrelevant.

The plain and simple fact is that large numbers of people DO make the connection and DO mistrust those wearing them!

Now, how about you and CC convince all those people that they are wrong? Perhaps you could scold them in a post here on MLW! That would work...NOT!

[cybercoma]

Whether or not the style connection is valid is irrelevant. Whether or not people should mistrust those wearing hoodies is also irrelevant.

The plain and simple fact is that large numbers of people DO make the connection and DO mistrust those wearing them!

Now, how about you and CC convince all those people that they are wrong? Perhaps you could scold them in a post here on MLW! That would work...NOT!

I'm not sure that there are "large numbers of people" that make that connection and mistrust people wearing hoodies. You're just making that up.

For the handful of people that do, no amount of convincing is going to get them to see that they're idiots.

[stopstaaron]

Whether or not the style connection is valid is irrelevant. Whether or not people should mistrust those wearing hoodies is also irrelevant.

The plain and simple fact is that large numbers of people DO make the connection and DO mistrust those wearing them!

Now, how about you and CC convince all those people that they are wrong? Perhaps you could scold them in a post here on MLW! That would work...NOT!

I think maybe it is just older people that are scared of hoodies

I wear hoodies, most people I know that are my age have at least one hoodie

it's just the style of today's generation

[capricorn]

The plain and simple fact is that large numbers of people DO make the connection and DO mistrust those wearing them!

I think the mistrust comes when one cannot see the face of the person wearing a hoodie. There have been cases where police have issued photos of perps at automatic tellers using stolen credit cards or convenience cards, or exiting a bank or gas bar they held up, asking for the public's help to identify them. In most cases, those photos show someone wearing a hoodie with the specific intent of masking their identity. That sticks in your mind so when you see a person on the street and can't make eye contact you automatically think the worst. It's fear plain and simple, an understandable human trait. But we can't give in to it or we relegate ourselves to the status of victims when the vast majority of us are not victimized at all.

[stopstaaron]

Why do we have to be open to public displays of an immigrants religion and culture in this country?

Because if we don't we're automatically bad people?

I don't believe a person is a bad person because they are uncomfortable with foreign religious cultures on public display in a country where that person is a minority.

The word bigot is thrown around too much. That word has no meaning now.

Edited April 2, 2012 by stopstaaron

[Moonlight Graham]

I'm not sure that there are "large numbers of people" that make that connection and mistrust people wearing hoodies. You're just making that up.

For the handful of people that do, no amount of convincing is going to get them to see that they're idiots.

Maybe the difference is when people actually where the hoods over the their heads. I don't, except when I'm outside and freezing my butt off, which isn't often since I'd usually have a hat if it's cold. But some people do wear the hoods up for style or whatever reason, and they're profiled for additional things, like dark skin, and other forms of dress that don't include sweater-vests, bow ties, and pleated trousers.

[DogOnPorch]

Edited April 2, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Wild Bill]

I think the mistrust comes when one cannot see the face of the person wearing a hoodie. There have been cases where police have issued photos of perps at automatic tellers using stolen credit cards or convenience cards, or exiting a bank or gas bar they held up, asking for the public's help to identify them. In most cases, those photos show someone wearing a hoodie with the specific intent of masking their identity. That sticks in your mind so when you see a person on the street and can't make eye contact you automatically think the worst. It's fear plain and simple, an understandable human trait. But we can't give in to it or we relegate ourselves to the status of victims when the vast majority of us are not victimized at all.

Thanks, Cap! That's exactly it! It's not the hoodie per se. It's anything that hides one's identity. In our culture, hiding your identity in public has had only two meanings - it's a criminal or it's Halloween!

Leprosy or disfigurement might be a third but the numbers would be trivial.

[GostHacked]

OMFG BAN HOODIES.

Do you realize how really dumb that sounds as a proposal? But if we do maybe we'd stop the police agent provocateurs from commiting crimes as well.

[GostHacked]

Thanks, Cap! That's exactly it! It's not the hoodie per se. It's anything that hides one's identity. In our culture, hiding your identity in public has had only two meanings - it's a criminal or it's Halloween!

Leprosy or disfigurement might be a third but the numbers would be trivial.

There is a 3rd option. Wearing the hoodie because it's chilly out. Next thing you are going to go after touques and baseball hats. Think I am nuts? If this is banned, watch out for the others to follow.

It's not about catching criminals, it's about the government wanting to tell you what to do .. control.

[jbg]

Why do we have to be open to public displays of an immigrants religion and culture in this country?

Because if we don't we're automatically bad people?

I don't believe a person is a bad person because they are uncomfortable with foreign religious cultures on public display in a country where that person is a minority.

The word bigot is thrown around too much. That word has no meaning now.

I tend to agree.

Back when my ancestors came, it was common practice for people to change their names to names more common in America. The term was that their names were "Anglicized". For example, Beyolofski and Ososvsky went by the wayside (I'm not going to post my family's real name here). Similarly, among people I know, "Savitz" and "Clymanski" were Anglicized. While the practice was and is not universal, witness my own last name and such common names as "Levine" and "Cohen", the tendency was for people to want to fit in rather than stand out.

For most of my ancestors' generation relished the opportunity to learn and speak the local language, so much so that Yiddish is almost a dead language. People reveled in the opportunity to become Americans and shed the baggage of the hated countries they left behind.

I do not expect all immigrants or "other cultures" to hate their heritage. I do expect them to act as Canadians or Americans, and understand that public activities (not private worship) that set them apart may get them into trouble or reduce their opportunities.

[GostHacked]

I recall my grandmother and my oma both wearting scarves on their heads back in the 70's and 80s. Are they terrorist?

[jbg]

I recall my grandmother and my oma both wearting scarves on their heads back in the 70's and 80s. Are they terrorist?

You are not supplying a context and I don't believe in suspending common sense in the name of political correctness.

[Guest Peeves]

I recall my grandmother and my oma both wearting scarves on their heads back in the 70's and 80s. Are they terrorist?

I don't know, were they?

A babushka on a "бабушка" is good.

A anything used to hide identity is baaaaaaad!

BTW apparently none grasp the meaning of either ~ a tilde in a subject or the meaning of cachinnating....

On April 1st.

[Wild Bill]

There is a 3rd option. Wearing the hoodie because it's chilly out. Next thing you are going to go after touques and baseball hats. Think I am nuts? If this is banned, watch out for the others to follow.

It's not about catching criminals, it's about the government wanting to tell you what to do .. control.

Hey GH! I'm not one to stretch a point to extremes, like some of the Harper bashers on MLW. If it's cold of course people put their hoods up!

Hoodies however are worn up even in summer! On a cold winter day I don't think anyone would pay any attention to a hoodie when outside. In a bank lineup things might be different.

Again, the distinction seems to happen when a hoodie appears to be a deliberate attempt to conceal one's face. A woman wearing a scarf on her head is usually not concealing her face, particularly in cold weather.

[jbg]

A anything used to hide identity is baaaaaaad!

I don't know that a "hoodie" hides identity all that much. It's more the atmosphere of "gangsta rap" and intimidation that they create.

[Guest Peeves]

I don't know that a "hoodie" hides identity all that much. It's more the atmosphere of "gangsta rap" and intimidation that they create.

I see hoodies being used in holdups or fraud pictured in camera views used on TV showing the crime. The hoodie obscures facial- head features in such instance.

In general use, no, not so much.

I only wear a yarmulke in a sitting Shivah situ.

[Guest Peeves]

BTW apparently none grasp the meaning of either ~ a tilde in a subject or the meaning of cachinnating....

On April 1st.

Gotcha! :P

[capricorn]

Gotcha! :P

You little devil. See what you started?

[Guest Peeves]

You little devil. See what you started?

On the original IMDb soapbox boards we used a ~ or tilde, " : the mark tilde used to indicate negation in logic", so as to denote a tongue in cheek, jest or sarcastic entry.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en-US&hl=en&q=IMDb+site

Cachinnating OP, speaks for itself.