g_bambino Posted April 10, 2012 Report Posted April 10, 2012 They can't detain without reason.And they can't... detain and search several hundred people because they think there 'might' be a 'rioter' among them. No, they can't detain without reason. And no, they can't detain several hundred people because there might be a rioter among them. But nobody was detained without reason and hundreds of people weren't detained because police thought there might be a rioter among them. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 10, 2012 Report Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) the law grants officers some discretion in certain situations yup Edited April 10, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
jacee Posted April 10, 2012 Report Posted April 10, 2012 No, they can't detain without reason. And no, they can't detain several hundred people because there might be a rioter among them. But nobody was detained without reason and hundreds of people weren't detained because police thought there might be a rioter among them. Yes they were. This time, the cops were out of line Sunday, June 27 2010 Quote
GostHacked Posted April 10, 2012 Report Posted April 10, 2012 No, they can't detain without reason. And no, they can't detain several hundred people because there might be a rioter among them. But nobody was detained without reason and hundreds of people weren't detained because police thought there might be a rioter among them. But that is exactly what happened. They were detained without reason (aka without charge), and yes they did detain several hundred people because there MIGHT have been a rioter among them. Now if you can claim they can be detained without charge, (aka a reason to detain them) then you have blown your own argument. Quote
g_bambino Posted April 10, 2012 Report Posted April 10, 2012 (edited) But that is exactly what happened. They were detained without reason (aka without charge)... "Charge" is not a synonym for "reason". Police are allowed by the Criminal Code to use force and detention to prevent riots: S.31: Every peace officer is justified in using or in ordering the use of as much force as the peace officer believes, in good faith and on reasonable grounds, (a) is necessary to suppress a riot; and ( is not excessive, having regard to the danger to be apprehended from the continuance of the riot. Additionally, police may well have had grounds to believe there was unlawful assembly, as defined by S.63 of the Criminal Code, at Queen/Spadina. [ed.: c/e, +] Edited April 10, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
GostHacked Posted April 10, 2012 Report Posted April 10, 2012 "Charge" is not a synonym for "reason". Police are allowed by the Criminal Code to use force and detention to prevent riots: S.31: So why did the police back off and allow the riot to happen when it did? They had CLEAR evidence a riot was taking place and did SFA about it. Every peace officer is justified in using or in ordering the use of as much force as the peace officer believes, in good faith and on reasonable grounds,(a) is necessary to suppress a riot; and ( is not excessive, having regard to the danger to be apprehended from the continuance of the riot. Additionally, police may well have had grounds to believe there was unlawful assembly, as defined by S.63 of the Criminal Code, at Queen/Spadina.[ed.: c/e, +] So why was the riot not suppressed when it took place right in front of them. Riots on Saturday, no one apprehended. No riots happened on Sunday, over one thousand people were detained. There is a disconnect here. Quote
g_bambino Posted April 10, 2012 Report Posted April 10, 2012 Riots on Saturday, no one apprehended. No riots happened on Sunday, over one thousand people were detained. There is a disconnect here. Perhaps. But it's certainly no validation of your claim that the police acted illegally. Quote
GostHacked Posted April 11, 2012 Report Posted April 11, 2012 Perhaps. But it's certainly no validation of your claim that the police acted illegally. And it cost us taxpayers 1 billion dollars. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted April 12, 2012 Report Posted April 12, 2012 now they are assault police officers! should of been shot dead! So your argument is that the protester should have been shot & killed by police? Tough guy wannabes strike again! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Mr.Canada Posted September 20, 2012 Report Posted September 20, 2012 We need to treat these black bloc types like they did during the civil rights riots in Watts in the 60's. With dogs, tear gas, batons and fire hoses. Ok that may be a bit too much but something needs to be done about these protesters who think they should be able to demonstrate anywhere they please like those crazy SriLankan supporters who tried marching onto the Gardiner. One of these morons will get killed someday and blame the other person. These people never take responsibility for anything themselves. Far too cowardly for that, why else would they cover their faces during protests? We need strong leadership at a time like this. People look to and follow strong leaders and leaders who aren't afraid to do what's right. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
GostHacked Posted September 20, 2012 Report Posted September 20, 2012 We need to treat these black bloc types like they did during the civil rights riots in Watts in the 60's. With dogs, tear gas, batons and fire hoses. Ok that may be a bit too much but something needs to be done about these protesters who think they should be able to demonstrate anywhere they please like those crazy SriLankan supporters who tried marching onto the Gardiner. One of these morons will get killed someday and blame the other person. These people never take responsibility for anything themselves. Far too cowardly for that, why else would they cover their faces during protests? We need strong leadership at a time like this. People look to and follow strong leaders and leaders who aren't afraid to do what's right. We need leaders that don't think we are complete idiots and talk to us like we are children. We need leaders with integrity to do the right thing and tell the lobbyists where to go. We need leaders that don't steal/lie. We need leaders that look out for us, and not their own interests. What we have in parliament, anywhere, are not in my view, strong leaders. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 19, 2014 Report Posted November 19, 2014 Perhaps. But it's certainly no validation of your claim that the police acted illegally. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-cop-faces-misconduct-hearing-on-canada-s-largest-ever-mass-arrest-1.2108776 TORONTO -- A disciplinary hearing is set to begin today for the most senior police officer charged in relation to the mass arrests during the G20 summit in Toronto four years ago. Supt. David (Mark) Fenton faces a total of five charges of unlawful arrest and discreditable conduct arising out of two "kettling" incidents that occurred over the summit weekend. The first occurred on Saturday, June 26, 2010, hours after a small group of vandals smashed windows and set police cruisers alight. Fenton ordered officers to box in protesters in front of a downtown hotel. More than 260 people were arrested and taken to a makeshift prisoner processing centre, which came under severe criticism for its deplorable conditions. On the Sunday, six minutes after coming on shift, Fenton ordered police to keep scores of people standing for hours at a downtown intersection despite a severe thunderstorm that left them drenched. Fenton, who repeatedly referred to the protesters as "terrorists" over the summit weekend, has pleaded not guilty. None of the allegations has been proven. Quote
jacee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) To review: http://m.citynews.ca/2014/11/19/other-toronto-officers-charged-after-g20-summit/ More than 1,000 people were detained by Toronto police over the weekend of the G20 summit in June 2010 in what is considered the largest mass arrest in this countrys history. Most were released without charge.Thirty-two officers were charged, including the most senior officer Supt. David Fenton, whose case is being heard Wednesday. Only two constables have been found guilty of discreditable conduct arising out of the G20. Another 14 cases were dismissed, withdrawn or stayed. The rest are ongoing. Below are some of the accused officers and details about their cases: And just a reminder that the people kettled for hours on the pavement in the pouring rain were given no access to bathroom facilities, forced to pee in their pants on the street. No food or water either. It was an appalling violation of human rights. Legitimate prisoners have more rights, and these were peaceful protesters, many middle to senior age, and some local residents just doing errands or being spectators. "terrorists" my a**!! I hope Fenton goes down. . Edited November 20, 2014 by jacee Quote
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 I hope he goes down as well. Only years later do we start to see what really was happening during the G20. But this information is released when very few are still paying attention to the incident. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 I hope he goes down as well. Only years later do we start to see what really was happening during the G20. But this information is released when very few are still paying attention to the incident. People with two braincells to rub together could see plainly what was going on then. Those who were in denial aren't going to change their tune suddenly now. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 People with two braincells to rub together could see plainly what was going on then. Those who were in denial aren't going to change their tune suddenly now. I don't expect them to even try. This is more confirmation for those who were paying attention, like yourself. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 The police should have taken a much harder stance and arrested all the black bloc people when they were destroying everything. Instead the yacted like pussies and just let these socialists do whatever they wanted. Disgusting. Next time we need to organize a nationalist faction to fight the black bloc, see how they like that. They would have end up arresting their own fellow police officers. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 I'm sorry but if the black bloc are smashing windows, looting and destroying the city they deserve what they get. If they cannot take it they shouldn't dish it out. Quite right, but all we saw was the cops stand around while watching the 'black bloc' FSU in Toronto. Breaking windows, burning cop cars, the cops stood by and did nothing but watch. Quote
jacee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I'm sorry but if the black bloc are smashing windows, looting and destroying the city they deserve what they get. If they cannot take it they shouldn't dish it out.Read the link before spouting ill informed crap!This has absolutely nothing to do with the blac bloc. These were peaceful protesters and local residents mistreated with no justification. . Edited November 20, 2014 by jacee Quote
cybercoma Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Quite right, but all we saw was the cops stand around while watching the 'black bloc' FSU in Toronto. Breaking windows, burning cop cars, the cops stood by and did nothing but watch. Breaking windows, burning cop cars...no big deal. Standing in the street or walking home from work. Kettled, beaten, pepper sprayed, and arrested. Quote
jacee Posted November 21, 2014 Report Posted November 21, 2014 Well people shouldn't be protesting.They can if they want to. People should be worried about becoming productive members of society. And you too.Being a member of the black bloc isn't being productive.This wasn't the blac bloc Thought they would've learned that after the hippies got beat up for it.Have you eaten your kittens today? Quote
GostHacked Posted November 21, 2014 Report Posted November 21, 2014 I think that people shouldn't be accosted by police if they aren't breaking the law. If they are then that is wrong. We do not live in a police state and citizens should be able to assume a measured amount of security in the fact that they will not be detained or otherwise harassed by people in uniform. IF they are going about their lives peacefully and within the bounds of our societal norm. Good trolling attempts though. Quote
jacee Posted November 21, 2014 Report Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) I think that people shouldn't be accosted by police if they aren't breaking the law. If they are then that is wrong. We do not live in a police state and citizens should be able to assume a measured amount of security in the fact that they will not be detained or otherwise harassed by people in uniform. IF they are going about their lives peacefully and within the bounds of our societal norm.Perhaps you'd like to know a bit about the incidents we're discussing here?This is one: http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/toronto/tvo-host-steve-paikin-describes-seeing-kettling-at-g20-1.2843957 Steve Paikin, who hosts TVO's "The Agenda," testified in a hearing for Supt. David (Mark) Fenton, the most senior police officer charged in the mass arrests during the meeting of global leaders. Paikin told the judge that before the night of June 26, 2010, [ in his 32-year career] he had never seen police in riot gear box in protesters who didn't appear to threaten public safety. "I've never seen this much riot gear, never seen the kind of hemming in that officers did this time," he said. In the past, he said, police only intervened when protesters became "overly aggressive." "Those were not the conditions on the night in question," he said, noting the crowd gathered outside a downtown hotel was sitting and chanting the words "peaceful protest." Fenton ordered officers to box in protesters in front of the hotel. More than 260 people were arrested . Edited November 21, 2014 by jacee Quote
cybercoma Posted November 21, 2014 Report Posted November 21, 2014 Well people shouldn't be protesting.Exercising your rights and freedoms. Shouldn't do it. Do you even think about the things you say? Quote
cybercoma Posted November 21, 2014 Report Posted November 21, 2014 The police reacted more violently at G20 than they did during the ACTUAL RIOT in Vancouver. It's abundantly clear who they serve and protect. Quote
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