Topaz Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Apparently, a US couple, the man, working at the U of Victoria as a professor, and has thier support in this issue and his wife is a nurse but the problem for the Canadian government is the 18 months old child has autism and the government doesn't want to pay for the child so the US couple have been forced back to the US. I'm sure with him working as a professor and her a nurse they could have help with the expenses. Thoughts? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/american-uvic-prof-forced-leave-canada-immigration-rules-175808035.html Quote
stopstaaron Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) He's not Canadian... so of course we shouldn't be paying for their sons healthcare This was a tough but the right decision Edited April 1, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
madmax Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Apparently, a US couple, the man, working at the U of Victoria as a professor, and has thier support in this issue and his wife is a nurse but the problem for the Canadian government is the 18 months old child has autism and the government doesn't want to pay for the child so the US couple have been forced back to the US. I'm sure with him working as a professor and her a nurse they could have help with the expenses. Thoughts? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/american-uvic-prof-forced-leave-canada-immigration-rules-175808035.html Americans will benefit from the Prof and the Nurse.. and so will the child as their economic status should get them great affordable healthcare.. no different then the private policy the UofV would have... Its our loss and he doesn<t seem to bitter about it.. There are alot of rejections comig down the pipes.. get used to seeing more based on medical.. What isn<t a concern for this government is foreign migrant workers... they encourage them to work here for less money and then go home to china...and come back again.... So.. consider immigration will be tighter... and Migrant Workers to be 3times the number of immigrants.. Quote
madmax Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) He's not Canadian... so of course we shouldn't be paying for their sons healthcare This was a tough but the right decision The idea was.. that he and his wife were trying to immigrate with their son (therefore they can`t be Canadian).... and their daughter was born here.. but good to see you on board with immigration ruling.. Edited April 1, 2012 by madmax Quote
stopstaaron Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) The idea was.. that he and his wife were trying to immigrate.. and their daughter was born here.. but good to see you on board with immigration ruling.. He is a prof and she is a nurse why couldn't they just pay for it all themselves? It is what they'll do in the US anyway... are we supposed to cater to rich foreigners now? Edited April 1, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Damn...Canada is cheap! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Damn...Canada is cheap! Yeah, but we have to be or else any American with an autistic kid will see Canada as a haven for autistic kids The world is a cruel place Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Yeah, but we have to be or else any American with an autistic kid will see Canada as a haven for autistic kids I think not...Canada lags behind the US in understanding and treating autism. The CBC just reported numbers from the American CDC, as usual. The world is a cruel place It's suppose to be! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) Apparently, a US couple, the man, working at the U of Victoria as a professor, and has thier support in this issue and his wife is a nurse but the problem for the Canadian government is the 18 months old child has autism and the government doesn't want to pay for the child so the US couple have been forced back to the US. I'm sure with him working as a professor and her a nurse they could have help with the expenses. Thoughts? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/american-uvic-prof-forced-leave-canada-immigration-rules-175808035.html That's just ridiculous. Hardly surprising its an academic affected by this. Harper hates academia. Edited April 1, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 He is a prof and she is a nurse why couldn't they just pay for it all themselves? It is what they'll do in the US anyway... are we supposed to cater to rich foreigners now? No they wouldn't. The university he would work for in the US would probably have coverage similar to what provincial plans cover in Canada and more. Quote
stopstaaron Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 No they wouldn't. The university he would work for in the US would probably have coverage similar to what provincial plans cover in Canada and more. They probably would have it better in the US than Canada like BC said US is more equipped to deal with Autism Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Yeah, but we have to be or else any American with an autistic kid will see Canada as a haven for autistic kids The world is a cruel place Any American that has at least 10 years of post-secondary education and a job as a professor. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 They probably would have it better in the US than Canada like BC said US is more equipped to deal with Autism If he can find a job in the US. It's not easy getting a position as a prof. Quote
stopstaaron Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 If he can find a job in the US. It's not easy getting a position as a prof. He probably will, he wasn't too angry about it Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
Smallc Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Yes, the Harper government sent them home, so obviously, it was wrong. Could it not be, quite simply, that they won't provide as much in the way of productivity as their son will take away? Living in Canada is not a right for non Canadians, especially those that are a net drain on the system. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) Yes, the Harper government sent them home, so obviously, it was wrong. Could it not be, quite simply, that they won't provide as much in the way of productivity as their son will take away? Living in Canada is not a right for non Canadians, especially those that are a net drain on the system. The wife works IN the healthcare system for crying out loud. The husband is a professor at a university. I'm sure they provide plenty of productivity not to mention taxes. Edited April 1, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Smallc Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 The wife works IN the healthcare system for crying out loud. The husband is a professor at a university. I'm sure they provide plenty of productivity not to mention taxes. Actually, as their both employed in the public field, they probably provide nothing in the way of taxes overall. There is a very good chance that there is simply not a net benefit. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Actually, as their both employed in the public field, they probably provide nothing in the way of taxes overall. There is a very good chance that there is simply not a net benefit. Don't be absurd. The net benefit is their productivity for the public service. That's like saying that anyone who works for the government is a drain on the system. Their labour provides a benefit to the country as a whole. Quote
Smallc Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Don't be absurd. The net benefit is their productivity for the public service. That's like saying that anyone who works for the government is a drain on the system. Their labour provides a benefit to the country as a whole. But is that labour worth more than the costs that their child would place on the system? It seems not. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 But is that labour worth more than the costs that their child would place on the system? It seems not.Absolutely it is. And besides, if the prof was looking at getting tenure or had tenure, they would very likely be in Canada until retirement. Moreover, I don't like the idea that the government is going to start deporting landed immigrants or people working towards their citizenship that are sick or end up having children that are sick. It's not their fault their kid has autism. Quote
Smallc Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) Absolutely it is. With all due respect, how the hell do you know? It's not the fault of Canadians in general that the son has autism, either. The line has to be drawn somewhere. If you're going to come here and an economic immigrant, you have to provide a net benefit to the country. Obviously, the government doesn't think that there is one here. Edited April 1, 2012 by Smallc Quote
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 With all due respect, how the hell do you know? It's not the fault of Canadians in general that the son has autism, either. The line has to be drawn somewhere. If you're going to come here and an economic immigrant, you have to provide a net benefit to the country. Obviously, the government doesn't think that there is one here. Obviously, since this governing party has done nothing but gag scientists and attack academia since they took office in 2006. It's hardly a revelation that they don't think professors and nurses actually provide a net benefit to society. Quote
Smallc Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 Obviously, since this governing party has done nothing but gag scientists and attack academia since they took office in 2006. It's hardly a revelation that they don't think professors and nurses actually provide a net benefit to society. In other words, you don't know, and you're (again) allowing your bias against the Conservatives to cloud your judgement. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) In other words, you don't know, and you're (again) allowing your bias against the Conservatives to cloud your judgement.How are you going to calculate the net benefit that they provide to society? If you value their contributions and we want them here in Canada caring for the sick, doing research, and teaching training our youth, then it shouldn't matter that their kid has autism. They're entitled to the same coverage as everyone else that works and pays taxes in Canada. You can't get coverage for 6 months (in most provinces) already. Moreover, the fault in the logic here is that we ought to be looking at people on a case-by-case basis to see the cost-benefit of having them in our society. Some people cost more than they provide, others provide more than they cost. Helathcare is for the broader social benefit. YOu can't take it on a case-by-case basis. Healthcare isn't even a federal responsibility anyway. There is absolutely no reason to deport these people. Edited April 1, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Smallc Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 They're entitled to the same coverage as everyone else that works and pays taxes in Canada. Obviously, they're not, and I don't see why they should be. They aren't Canadians. Quote
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