Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Not much good against a thug(s) with illegal semi-autos……....With that said, some would contend, that a Lee Enfield mk 4 or a Browning Auto-5, if called upon, would make a decent stand-in, baseball bat. You don't think you could get 3 shots off with a bolt action rifle?? I guess you ain't no Lee Harvey Oswald!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Not much good against a thug(s) with illegal semi-autos……....With that said, some would contend, that a Lee Enfield mk 4 or a Browning Auto-5, if called upon, would make a decent stand-in, baseball bat. This is Canada, they are more likely to have knives than a gun.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 You don't think you could get 3 shots off with a bolt action rifle?? I guess you ain't no Lee Harvey Oswald!!! 20+, aimed (200 yards) with my Mk4 and stripper clips………And that’s nothing compared to what most British Army regulars could achieve in a “mad minute”…….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 20+, aimed (200 yards) with my Mk4 and stripper clips………And that’s nothing compared to what most British Army regulars could achieve in a “mad minute”…….. Whatever,partner...I have no idea what you're talking about...I'm not a gun freak... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 This is Canada, they are more likely to have knives than a gun.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) We have a lot more knife crimes than we do gun crimes all you wanna do is shoot somebody Edited March 31, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Registered? Violence is violence regardless of your chosen weapon. I feel any baseball bat owner is automatically guilty of intent to use such bat as a weapon. A bat is a less deadly use of force than a gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Whatever,partner...I have no idea what you're talking about...I'm not a gun freak... The British (and Commonwealth) from the First World War and on , drilled on achieving 30+ aimed rounds out to 300-400 yards in under a minute……..This was/is quite a feat with a bolt action rifle with a ten round magazine…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Not much good against a thug(s) with illegal semi-autos……....With that said, some would contend, that a Lee Enfield mk 4 or a Browning Auto-5, if called upon, would make a decent stand-in, baseball bat. Yeah because that's such an out of control problem in Canada. You want to live in that utopia then move to Florida where you can shoot all the kids you perceive as thugs you want and get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 . Likewise, a gun is practically useless to a person who has never held one. Not true, see an unexperienced person can shoot a gun and kill someone or injure them an unexperienced person with a bat will just injure them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 A bat is equally as deadly as any gun in the right hands. 9/10 assaults with a gun end with someone dying. You can't say the same thing for bats. They can be deadly, yes. But equally as deadly? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 We have a lot more knife crimes than we do gun crimes all you wanna do is shoot somebody That’s a rather strong charge, and no, I don’t want to “shoot someone”, nor do I wish someone in my home without my say……..none the least, and if your thugs, in this scenario, broke into my home with only knives or pepper spray, on hearing the universal sound of a racking 870, after shitting themselves, they’d likely bugger off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Yeah because that's such an out of control problem in Canada. You want to live in that utopia then move to Florida where you can shoot all the kids you perceive as thugs you want and get away with it. And I'll direct you to this post: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=20617&st=105 And my guns are for hunting and fun too, but that doesn’t discount the fact, that if under certain circumstances, if I had to choose between using them to defend myself and my family or leaving them in the safes, the decision is rather obvious……………Though I don’t lay awake worrying about such a scenario, and my two first lines in home security are ADT and two big ugly dogs, home invasions & violent crime still do occur here (Greater Vancouver)………If some punks kicked in my front door at 2:00am, my first response won’t be to grab the phone and dial 911 and wait ten minutes for the Coquitlam RCMP to show up, but to grab a 12 gauge out of the safe in my bedroom closet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Depends on your "aim". A bat is equally as deadly as any gun in the right hands. Likewise, a gun is practically useless to a person who has never held one. 1 bullet can paralyze a person. Can 1 swing of the bat cause the same damage? The correct answer is no Edited March 31, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 And I'll direct you to this post: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=20617&st=105 I'm sure they had those illegal semi-autos you were talking about too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Okay, how about vehicular assaults?Really? Vehicular assaults? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 What was the target? I'd be good for 30 in under a minute at 300 yards if the target was a big red barn. Myself or the British? Me personally, over 10 15 20 years ago, 14” x 16” paper…..the British, I’d assume the Hun As you get older, with the inherent increase in disposable income and a degrading in eye sight, expensive optics become key Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 I'm sure they had those illegal semi-autos you were talking about too. I don't suppose these crimes were committed with baseball bats: Three separate shootings in the Lower Mainland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 The British (and Commonwealth) from the First World War and on , drilled on achieving 30+ aimed rounds out to 300-400 yards in under a minute……..This was/is quite a feat with a bolt action rifle with a ten round magazine…… Great... I've never really been interested in the weapons of war...I'm more interested in the historical reasons why people go to war... Like I said...Not a gun freak... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 That’s a rather strong charge, and no, I don’t want to “shoot someone”, nor do I wish someone in my home without my say……..none the least, and if your thugs, in this scenario, broke into my home with only knives or pepper spray, on hearing the universal sound of a racking 870, after shitting themselves, they’d likely bugger off. Keep in mind this is just homicide, not assaults, I will look for those stats http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/04/27/statscan-knifing-report.html In 2008, 34 per cent of 611 homicides reported by police were committed with knives, a seven per cent increase from 1999 and more than double the approximately 15 per cent level of 1974, the first year for which homicide data is available. The proportion of homicides involving guns, meanwhile, dropped significantly — from approximately 48 per cent in 1974 to 34 per cent in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 I don't suppose these crimes were committed with baseball bats: Three separate shootings in the Lower Mainland Are you referring to the crime of suicide in that article? Did he shoot himself with an illegal semi-auto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2010001/article/11146-eng.htm Knives most common weapon used to commit violent crime Chart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 You're missing the point stopstaaron. All of these crimes with illegal semi-autos is unreported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Keep in mind this is just homicide, not assaults, I will look for those stats http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/04/27/statscan-knifing-report.html In 2008, 34 per cent of 611 homicides reported by police were committed with knives, a seven per cent increase from 1999 and more than double the approximately 15 per cent level of 1974, the first year for which homicide data is available. The proportion of homicides involving guns, meanwhile, dropped significantly — from approximately 48 per cent in 1974 to 34 per cent in 2008. What about these crimes: Two men in hospital after shooting in downtown Vancouver Two shootings keep Surrey RCMP busy Charges laid in weekend homicide in Surrey Notice, these examples were from this month alone……I could continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 What about these crimes: Two men in hospital after shooting in downtown Vancouver Two shootings keep Surrey RCMP busy Charges laid in weekend homicide in Surrey Notice, these examples were from this month alone……I could continue. I love how you respond to aggregate data with particular incidents. Good job. That's like saying there's zero unemployment because I know 4 people that have jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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