stopstaaron Posted March 23, 2012 Author Report Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Rick Perry isn't going to be the GOP candidate. Not the point... none of your top politicians should be saying pray the gay away, holding pray for rain rallies... talking bout banning contraceptives wanting to put abortion doctors information on the internet .. these are not things a sane person would do or suggest your countrys politicians are freaking insane Edited March 23, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
-TSS- Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 This is an issue there will never be any agreement on. Those who say that religion and politics should be kept apart think that any religion in politics is too much. Those who are religious think that religious values are nowhere near enough represented in politics. I remember a survey some time ago where it was shown which factors with candidates would stop people from voting for them. Being African-American was one of the bottom of the list of factors, only about 20% of the respondents said that they could never under any circumstances vote for an African-American candidate. Even being female had slightly more opposition as a factor for a candidate. Therefore, when a female gets elected President there will be hype again but it is really much ado about nothing. For other factors the percentage of people who were against rose fast as an open gay was opposed by a majority, being Jewish was also very high on that list but the list was topped easily by one factor: Being a declared atheist was the biggest factor stopping people under any circumstances voting for such a candidate. I must look it up if I can find that survey somewhere. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 Whatever your survey says, the odds of the U.S. having an atheist president are much higher than the odds of Canada having a Catholic head of state - or even a head of state with a catholic spouse. The odds of that happening are zilch. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Posted March 23, 2012 Not the point... none of your top politicians should be saying pray the gay away, holding pray for rain rallies... talking bout banning contraceptives wanting to put abortion doctors information on the internet .. these are not things a sane person would do or suggest But clearly they do and have the right to do it, sane or not. No worse than stomping on a George Bush doll or saying, "Damn Americans, I hate those bastards". your countrys politicians are freaking insane Yet you watch them and the process very closely. Most Americans don't care what Canada's politicians do....or how they do it. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Posted March 24, 2012 Whatever your survey says, the odds of the U.S. having an atheist president are much higher than the odds of Canada having a Catholic head of state - or even a head of state with a catholic spouse. The odds of that happening are zilch. rofl US will not have an athiest president for at least 30 years Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
msj Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 rofl US will not have an athiest president for at least 30 years What AW means is that our head of state can not be a Catholic because our head of state is the Queen (for now - soon enough to be some King Charles or whoever). You will be forgiven for making the assumption that our head of state is effectively our Prime Minister since he is the one who is democratically elected and effectively rules the country until another democratically elected Prime Minister wins power. Oh no. In Canada our head of state is an Anglican monarch. Save yourself the trouble of trying to debate AW on this one. She's a waste of time..... Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 ...Save yourself the trouble of trying to debate AW on this one. She's a waste of time..... That's because AW is right....and the Canadian PM is not elected. The position is not even defined in the Constitution Act. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 That's because AW is right....and the Canadian PM is not elected. The position is not even defined in the Constitution Act. Yep. Nothing makes me more a "waste of time" than being right. And as you said, the PM isn't even elected, so it really doesn't matter what the Canadian public thinks about his/her religion. Quote
-TSS- Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 Indeed, the anti-catholic laws were implemented in the UK some time in the 17th century. Incredible really that such obsolete laws have not been repealed. On the other hand the institution of monarchy itself is obsolete but the reason it still exists is because the alternative is considered even worse. It has been said that monarchy is a system which does not work in theory but works well in practice. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 Indeed, the anti-catholic laws were implemented in the UK some time in the 17th century. Incredible really that such obsolete laws have not been repealed. Exactly. They were implemented centuries ago but still in practice today. It's incredible that people who aren't protesting that, who are ok with that, have the gall to criticize Americans over polls regarding atheism and the presidency. What I said is a fact. As it stands, the U.S. will have an atheist president before Canada has a Catholic head of state - or even a head of state with a Catholic spouse. On the other hand the institution of monarchy itself is obsolete but the reason it still exists is because the alternative is considered even worse. It has been said that monarchy is a system which does not work in theory but works well in practice. It can't be obsolete and still exist. If "the alternative is even worse," then it's serving a purpose, which again, means it's not obsolete. As long as it's working "in practice," it's very much a part of the system. So again, why some Canadians are ok with that is beyond me, as those who are ok with it as they criticize Americans are a lost cause. Quote
msj Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 That's because AW is right....and the Canadian PM is not elected. The position is not even defined in the Constitution Act. Stopstaaron, you can also ignore BC_2004 just like AW. They are like two peas in a pod - essentially trolling Canadian forums (insert BC's statement "this forum is hosted on a US server" here ...) in a most pathetic way. Always focusing on the smallest, most reductionist, pedantic and anal retentive version of everything. No detail is too small to bring up even when in practice we know that PM's in Canada are only elected by voters in that person's riding while, in practice, a PM does not become a PM unless the party gets enough seats to form a minority or majority government. Best to move on from these types. If we all ignored their stale "arguments," aka non sequiturs, the forum would be a better place. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
-TSS- Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 Indeed, I can't fathom why non-Canadians would spend any time on a Canadian forum. Hahahaa, look who's talking now. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 Stopstaaron, you can also ignore BC_2004 just like AW. Or not....who died and left you Queen? They are like two peas in a pod - essentially trolling Canadian forums (insert BC's statement "this forum is hosted on a US server" here ...) in a most pathetic way. Why yes...we are both Americans, but not the same. And that is good. No detail is too small to bring up even when in practice we know that PM's in Canada are only elected by voters in that person's riding while, in practice, a PM does not become a PM unless the party gets enough seats to form a minority or majority government. You know what they say...what's good for the Canadian goose, yada yada yada. If we all ignored their stale "arguments," aka non sequiturs, the forum would be a better place. Nobody is forcing you to read anyone's posts (except your own). People who only wish to read or hear like minded ideas stay dumb. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) What AW means is that our head of state can not be a Catholic because our head of state is the Queen (for now - soon enough to be some King Charles or whoever). You will be forgiven for making the assumption that our head of state is effectively our Prime Minister since he is the one who is democratically elected and effectively rules the country until another democratically elected Prime Minister wins power. Oh no. In Canada our head of state is an Anglican monarch. Save yourself the trouble of trying to debate AW on this one. She's a waste of time..... MSJ, I never said our head of state was the PM, I'm not an idiot, I'm just saying U.S will not have an atheist president in the next 30 years if that was directed to AW forgive me, I was a bit confused Edited March 24, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 Indeed, I can't fathom why non-Canadians would spend any time on a Canadian forum. Hahahaa, look who's talking now. Indeed...here's the deal: There are a few members here who think this is their own little private smugfest where they can pop off about "US Politics" (wink wink) without any criticism or biting observations about the paradise that is Canada or Canadian policies. The funny part is that if we were to remove all the US content from this "Canadian website", all that would be left is the largely boring void that drives them to "American style" culture and content to begin with. If they can't take the heat... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) drives them to "American style" culture and content to begin with. Canadians have contributed PLENTY to "North American" culture, not American. You can't claim your culture is 100 % American. So has Mexico contributed PLENTY. So yeah, it's not just "American" culture. Edited March 24, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) No detail is too small to bring up even when in practice we know that PM's in Canada are only elected by voters in that person's riding while, in practice, a PM does not become a PM unless the party gets enough seats to form a minority or majority government. You still can't get this right....Canadian PM's are not required to be elected in any capacity, at any level, not even dog catcher, as is the case for at least 10 prime ministers. How's that for a smart ass American that needs to be put on ignore ? Edited March 24, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) Canadians have contributed PLENTY to "North American" culture, not American. You can't claim your culture is 100 % American. So has Mexico contributed PLENTY. So yeah, it's not just "American" culture. We don't have to....Canada is so paranoid about "American culture" it has laws that pretend to protect your country from the media Hun that is the United States. If that wasn't funny enough, Canada compounds this neurosis by fighting domestically about Francophones and Anglophones. You can't make this stuff up. Edited March 24, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Posted March 24, 2012 We don't have to....Canada is so paranoid about "American culture" it has laws that pretend to protect your country from the media Hun that is the United States. If that wasn't funny enough, Canada compounds this neurosis by fighting domestically about Francophones and Anglophones. You can't make this stuff up. as long as you have kooks like Rush Limbaugh spewing their drivel, Glenn Back, Hannity, you can't laugh at anybody god how embarrassed I am for you Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 as long as you have kooks like Rush Limbaugh spewing their drivel, Glenn Back, Hannity, you can't laugh at anybody god how embarrassed I am for you We can laugh hard at Canada precisely because of their "drivel", and the fact many Canadians listen and watch such media in the absence of anything better in opposing discourse. Canada even has laws that ban "false news". Now that's funny! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bleeding heart Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 Canadians have contributed PLENTY to "North American" culture, not American. You can't claim your culture is 100 % American. So has Mexico contributed PLENTY. So yeah, it's not just "American" culture. Sure. But American culture remains the bigger influence. In a way it's a chicken and egg argument, maybe, since what we problematically term "American culture" is a hodge-podge of influences, as befits the very nature of the Republic. Culturally, it ingests influences from everywhere, then makes it their own. (And its got its own, unique-from-the-genesis cultural aspects as well, which are also tossed into the mix.) It's a vibrant culture...and I'm not sure why this should reflect negatively on Canada. Hell, who doesn't like American culture? I bet the hijackers were having a wonderful time, soaking in the pop vibrancy even as they readied for the murder-suicides. (Saturday Night live once did a skit about this, I remember.) Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
stopstaaron Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) (Saturday Night live once did a skit about this, I remember.) in its hay day Saturday night live was full of Canadians ... just saying Edited March 24, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
kimmy Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 I saw an interesting article last week about a study that claims that the close alliance between the Republicans and the Christian right doesn't strengthen Republicans so much as it weakens the church. Perhaps religious leaders should pay some attention to those who think that there's too much religion in politics. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2012 Report Posted March 24, 2012 in its hay day Saturday night live was full of Canadians ... just saying Right...they couldn't find work or make anywhere near as much money in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) Right...they couldn't find work or make anywhere near as much money in Canada. of course not, but that doesn't take anything away, the funniest Americans are/were Canadians Edited March 24, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
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