stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Is this what you're talking about BC? because whenever you type something you make it sound like hundreds and hundreds of Quebec women are going to the U,S for abortion and this was in 2004..its now 2012, got some new stats? http://ifrl.org/IFRLDailyNews/040913/2/ Last year 30 Quebec late-term abortions were committed in Kansas and New York. So far this year from April to August, nine women have been sent to Kansas for abortions. Edited March 20, 2012 by stopstaaron Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Okay, let's see this link where Quebec sends people to Kansas for abortions. Quebec Wants to Do Late Term Abortions - In September 2004, Quebec health officials announced plans to hire a physician to provide late-term abortions. Currently, Canadian women go to Kansas, Colorado and Washington State for abortions after 22 weeks that are required for compelling maternal health reasons or for severe fetal abnormalities. While anti-choicers reported that Ontario taxpayers paid $400,000 last year to send 56 women to the U.S. for late term abortions, the Ontario Ministry of Health claimed that 15 women from Ontario and 30 from Quebec were sent south for the procedure. Quebec's Roman Catholic bishops objected, arguing that since Canada has no law governing abortion, it is unethical for Quebec to make it easier to obtain one. http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/print-friendly/05spring.shtml Why do any Canadian women have to "go south" for abortions? Edited March 20, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 Unless its from a reputable source I have trouble believing anything..especially if its on a pro choice or pro life website Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Unless its from a reputable source I have trouble believing anything..especially if its on a pro choice or pro life website Do you deny that some Canadian women lack "Morgantaler" services in certain provinces so they are sent "south" to the land of God and Bible thumpers to get the baby killin' done? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 Do you deny that some Canadian women lack "Morgantaler" services in certain provinces so they are sent "south" to the land of God and Bible thumpers to get the baby killin' done? I couldn't tell you. I don't see why the Quebec women wouldn't be sent to Ontario. Give me something that doesn't come from a pro life / pro choice agenda and I'll consider your "point". Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 I couldn't tell you. I don't see why the Quebec women wouldn't be sent to Ontario. Give me something that doesn't come from a pro life / pro choice agenda and I'll consider your "point". C'mon...don't shine me on...it happens: QUEBEC CITY - Quebec Health Minister Philippe Couillard regrets the need to send some Quebec women to the U.S. for late-term abortions Last year, the provincial government sent 30 patients to clinics in Kansas and New York for treatment. Couillard said that Quebec simply doesn't have the expertise to perform the specialized procedures in the province. INDEPTH: Abortion rights: A timeline of developments Long-time abortion activist Dr. Henry Morgentaler said he approves of Quebec sending women to Kansas for late-term abortions. "These abortions are difficult to do and they have a high rate of complications," he said, noting that late-term abortions require specialists to carry out the procedure. He pointed out that Quebec is not the only province that does this. "We do it here in Ontario as well, because we do not have enough doctors here in Canada that would provide abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy," Morgentaler said. CBC ARCHIVE: Dr. Henry Morgentaler: Fighting Canada's Abortion Laws Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Good point BC. Abortion itself is life threatening. Especially to the unborn baby receiving a scalpel to the back of the head. Once again you prove that you know absolutely nothing about abortion in Canada. The vast majority of abortions are not even surgical. They occur before the placenta has been fully formed. In other words, the woman is given medication to induce a miscarriage. Normally this is the method of choice in the very early stages of pregnancy, typically before 8 weeks. After 8 weeks and up to 16 weeks, surgical abortions are performed, but doesn't involve a knife at all. Instead they vacuum out the uterus with a device that's not unlike what a dentist puts in your mouth. Yes. We're talking about evacuating the uterus of something that is so tiny that it will fit in the spit-tube at a dentist's office. This website gives you a comparison of the two: http://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/medical_versus_surgical_abortion/index.htmlAfter 16 weeks, the abortion becomes much more complicated. However, roughly 90% of all abortions happen in the first trimester and the majority of the remaining abortions are before 16 weeks. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Oh boy...nothing is more fun than a thread about abortion...again! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 C'mon...don't shine me on...it happens: QUEBEC CITY - Quebec Health Minister Philippe Couillard regrets the need to send some Quebec women to the U.S. for late-term abortions Last year, the provincial government sent 30 patients to clinics in Kansas and New York for treatment. Couillard said that Quebec simply doesn't have the expertise to perform the specialized procedures in the province. INDEPTH: Abortion rights: A timeline of developments Long-time abortion activist Dr. Henry Morgentaler said he approves of Quebec sending women to Kansas for late-term abortions. "These abortions are difficult to do and they have a high rate of complications," he said, noting that late-term abortions require specialists to carry out the procedure. He pointed out that Quebec is not the only province that does this. "We do it here in Ontario as well, because we do not have enough doctors here in Canada that would provide abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy," Morgentaler said. CBC ARCHIVE: Dr. Henry Morgentaler: Fighting Canada's Abortion Laws okay, by the way you were going on about it I was under the impression you were implying they were being sent to the U.S cause Quebec doctors didn't agree with late term abortions.. but come to find out they just didn't have any doctors that could do them right Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 Oh boy...nothing is more fun than a thread about abortion...again! If the GOP gave up on their assault on women then there wouldn't be threads like this! Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 okay, by the way you were going on about it I was under the impression you were implying they were being sent to the U.S cause Quebec doctors didn't agree with late term abortions.. but come to find out they just didn't have any doctors that could do them right Both are true.....doctors in Quebec will not perform late term abortions unless the mother's life/health is in danger. PEI can't even keep enough doctors to do any abortions. NB still fights over paying for them. The point of all this is to demonstrate that Canada ain't no abortion heaven, and in a funny ass twist, actually sends patients to the US Bible Belt for abortions. You can't make this crap up! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 If the GOP gave up on their assault on women then there wouldn't be threads like this! Where's the assault? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 If the GOP gave up on their assault on women then there wouldn't be threads like this! You left out the Catholic Church and Evangelicals, the same kind that roam freely in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 You left out the Catholic Church and Evangelicals, the same kind that roam freely in Canada. Ya know..one wouldn't know Stephen Harper was an evangelical because he never talks about it in public.. now your crazy politicians down south never shut up about their evangelicalism.. U.S should look to Canada as a good example Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 The point of all this is to demonstrate that Canada ain't no abortion heaven, and in a funny ass twist, actually sends patients to the US Bible Belt for abortions. You can't make this crap up! We're still a small country population wise.. plus a lot of our doctors move south because apparently life is just better down there tax wise ..and everything is cheaper Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
cybercoma Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Both are true.....doctors in Quebec will not perform late term abortions unless the mother's life/health is in danger. PEI can't even keep enough doctors to do any abortions. NB still fights over paying for them. The point of all this is to demonstrate that Canada ain't no abortion heaven, and in a funny ass twist, actually sends patients to the US Bible Belt for abortions. You can't make this crap up! The exception proves the rule in cases not excepted. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Ya know..one wouldn't know Stephen Harper was an evangelical because he never talks about it in public.. now your crazy politicians down south never shut up about their evangelicalism.. U.S should look to Canada as a good example Not when it comes to abortion, as the US legalized abortion years before Canada (Roe v. Wade 1973), which used some crazy ass doctor's Trudeau tribunal as late as 1982. Thousands of Canadian women sought legal and safe abortions in the USA. And for different reasons, they still do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada#Partial_easing_of_abortion_rules Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 We're still a small country population wise.. plus a lot of our doctors move south because apparently life is just better down there tax wise ..and everything is cheaper Whatever....this small country still seems to have a big mouth when it comes to abortions, even when they are performed in the USA! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 Not when it comes to abortion, as the US legalized abortion years before Canada (Roe v. Wade 1973), which used some crazy ass doctor's Trudeau tribunal as late as 1982. Thousands of Canadian women sought legal and safe abortions in the USA. And for different reasons, they still do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada#Partial_easing_of_abortion_rules still living in the past? Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 still living in the past? In the past your country could not/would not provide abortion services, long after the United States had legalized abortion. Canada still sends abortion patients to the USA...today...in the present. Do you understand why it might look a tad hypocritical to crow about "crazy abortion bills" in the US? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 In the past your country could not/would not provide abortion services, long after the United States had legalized abortion. Canada still sends abortion patients to the USA...today...in the present. Do you understand why it might look a tad hypocritical to crow about "crazy abortion bills" in the US? no because I am pro choice and this thread is about a crazy pro life issue in TN So why would I be upset if U.S provides Canadians with abortions? Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 no because I am pro choice and this thread is about a crazy pro life issue in TN So why would I be upset if U.S provides Canadians with abortions? Because access to abortions are more restricted in some provinces compared to Tennessee...crazy law or not. The practical lack of access in several provinces and outright denial by choice in PEI means that Canadian women can have less choice than American women. I thought you were pro-choice? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 Because access to abortions are more restricted in some provinces compared to Tennessee...crazy law or not. The practical lack of access in several provinces and outright denial by choice in PEI means that Canadian women can have less choice than American women. I thought you were pro-choice? Youre turning away from the real premise of this thread Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
stopstaaron Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 This is the most insane Abortion bill I've seen to date. All kinds of bad will happen as a result of this if it is passed. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/19/tennessee-abortion-bill_n_1363410.html A new bill moving through the Tennessee House of Representatives would require the state to publish the names of each doctor who performs an abortion and detailed statistics about the woman having the procedure, which opponents worry will spur anti-abortion violence in the state. The Life Defense Act of 2012, sponsored by state Rep. Matthew Hill (R-Jonesboro), mandates that the Tennessee Department of Health make detailed demographic information about every woman who has an abortion available to the public, including her age, race, county, marital status, education level, number of children, the location of the procedure and how many times she has been pregnant. Each report would also have to include the name of the doctor who performed the procedure. The House Health and Human Resources Committee is expected to vote on the bill Wednesday, and Odom said he expects it to pass in the GOP-dominated House. It will then move to the state Senate, where Republicans are also in the majority. This is the issue at hand Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
Bryan Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Why do any Canadian women have to "go south" for abortions? Americans are much better at killing innocent people. Quote
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