fellowtraveller Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 perhaps you could start with Harper's granting a 'state funeral', hey? The topic is media coverage. Please try and stay on topic. Quote The government should do something.
Jack Weber Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Wow. I'm an NDP supporter and I don't even hold Layton in regard that high. Seems you may be suffering from Layton Derangement Syndrome. It would'nt be that conservative types feel that someone like...I dunno...Ronald Reagan is an almost infallible demi-god? See a certain poster's comments about waxing nostalgic about firing air traffic controllers in the '80's... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 It would'nt be that conservative types feel that someone like...I dunno...Ronald Reagan is an almost infallible demi-god? See a certain poster's comments about waxing nostalgic about firing air traffic controllers in the '80's... The irony about praising Reagan is that he was more pragmatic than Leftists in the US believe. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 The irony about praising Reagan is that he was more pragmatic than Leftists in the US believe. Very true.... Reagan and Tip O'Neil liked each other and generally found common ground... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
capricorn Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Fair enough,but I can't understand why the Tories are going after the 3rd party so strenuously?? It's indisputable that Rae has been more vocal and effective in the House than the NDP in holding the Conservative to account. Fact is, the media has also taken note of this since Rae gets more headlines in that respect. IMO, the Conservatives are betting that Rae will be named permanent leader, in spite of Liberal claims to the contrary. The fact is, Rae has not given a clear answer as to whether or not he will vie for the top job or not. There's also the real possibility that in the next election, the NDP will forfeit the Official Opposition title to the Liberals. These ads are simply a case of proactive positioning for apparent and plausible future battles to be fought. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
WWWTT Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Man this attack add is freekin hallarious! Was Bob Rae responsible for the jobs lost due to the global recession of the time? Was Bob Rae responsible for the GST and income tax increases brought in by the progressive conservatives and Brian Mulroney? Was Bob Rae responsible for the job losses due to the free trade agreement brought in by Brian Mulroney? Was Bob Rae responsible to the inherided debt/deficit from previous provincial governments(Bill Davis,David peterson)? Was Bob Rae responsible for the massive transfer payment cuts by Cretien? Anyone who is gullible enough to believe or give credit to this attack add is completely biased and has absolutely no credibility!Whatsoever! But don't argue with me,argue with the facts! Either way it does not matter to me.Actually it is a very good sign for the NDP to see the conservatives try to fight ghosts from nearly 20 years ago(very long time ago politically).This is a big sign that the conservatives are very worried about the strength of their support! If this is what all the conservatives got then all the power to them and let the adds keep rolling! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 In other words, campaigning... on election day. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 In other words, campaigning... on election day. The Tories playing fast and loose with election rules??? MMnnnnnooooo..... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
WWWTT Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 There's also the real possibility that in the next election, the NDP will forfeit the Official Opposition title to the Liberals. These ads are simply a case of proactive positioning for apparent and plausible future battles to be fought. Really?!?!? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 It's indisputable that Rae has been more vocal and effective in the House than the NDP in holding the Conservative to account. Fact is, the media has also taken note of this since Rae gets more headlines in that respect. IMO, the Conservatives are betting that Rae will be named permanent leader, in spite of Liberal claims to the contrary. The fact is, Rae has not given a clear answer as to whether or not he will vie for the top job or not. There's also the real possibility that in the next election, the NDP will forfeit the Official Opposition title to the Liberals. These ads are simply a case of proactive positioning for apparent and plausible future battles to be fought. Ya ok?!? The conservatives got their support last election from the liberals that jumped ship! No problem for the NDP,but big problem for the conservatives now that Iggys gone. But maybe that bothers you so you will continue to ignore the facts. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Shady Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 He didn't suggest you be denied that right. He suggested that when you're able to make such political ads be limited to the duration of an election campaign. (There's no such thing as absolutely free speech, in any country, BTW.) This isn't about absolute free speech. But I take it as an attack on free speech, when somebody suggests that only during a certain period of time, like one month every 4 years in which we're "allowed" to publicly critiize our government in newspapers or on television. I think that's absurd. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 This isn't about absolute free speech. But I take it as an attack on free speech, when somebody suggests that only during a certain period of time, like one month every 4 years in which we're "allowed" to publicly critiize our government in newspapers or on television. I think that's absurd. Isn't that why we elect members to parliament? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wild Bill Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Man this attack add is freekin hallarious! Was Bob Rae responsible for the jobs lost due to the global recession of the time? Was Bob Rae responsible for the GST and income tax increases brought in by the progressive conservatives and Brian Mulroney? Was Bob Rae responsible for the job losses due to the free trade agreement brought in by Brian Mulroney? Was Bob Rae responsible to the inherided debt/deficit from previous provincial governments(Bill Davis,David peterson)? Was Bob Rae responsible for the massive transfer payment cuts by Cretien? Anyone who is gullible enough to believe or give credit to this attack add is completely biased and has absolutely no credibility!Whatsoever! But don't argue with me,argue with the facts! Either way it does not matter to me.Actually it is a very good sign for the NDP to see the conservatives try to fight ghosts from nearly 20 years ago(very long time ago politically).This is a big sign that the conservatives are very worried about the strength of their support! If this is what all the conservatives got then all the power to them and let the adds keep rolling! WWWTT Once again, nobody argues with these points. They simply are not relevant! Rae was not responsible for the cards he was dealt. He WAS responsible for how he played them! Ever since all the NDP apologists keep crying "It wasn't his fault! There was a global recession!" Who cares! We had recessions before and will have again. The difference was, the WAY Rae and his team tried to handle the situation was totally loopy! He made it worse, not better! THAT is why Ontarioans still spit at the sound of his name, like the folks on Corner Gas when someone mentions their rival town, Wullerton! They skinned into office by a total fluke and were unprepared to govern. They left Ontario in worse shape than when they came in. They scared away a lot of business which meant a lot of people lost their jobs. Those folks tend to remember and not forgive for a long, long time. Rae also alienated the public sector, with his "Rae Days". They haven't forgotten, either. Of course, Rae may have learned from his mistakes. However, a great many Ontarioans see no need to give him if he led the Liberals or the NDP as provincial government a second chance. That's just the way it is. It would be easier to get Brian Mulroney re-elected as Prime Minister than to get strong support for Rae in Ontario. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 This isn't about absolute free speech. But I take it as an attack on free speech, when somebody suggests that only during a certain period of time, like one month every 4 years in which we're "allowed" to publicly critiize our government in newspapers or on television. I think that's absurd. Running attack ads against Bob Rae is not "publicly criticizing our government." In case you weren't aware, the Tories formed the government in the last election. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Once again, nobody argues with these points. They simply are not relevant! They are not relevant? Whaooooo man what kind of argument is that?!?!?!? Taxes,trade agreements,transfer payments,inherided debt/deficit and global recession has nothing to do with the economy?!?!?!?! Ok man I think you better try something else because you are losing credibility fast! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wild Bill Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 They are not relevant? Whaooooo man what kind of argument is that?!?!?!? Taxes,trade agreements,transfer payments,inherided debt/deficit and global recession has nothing to do with the economy?!?!?!?! Ok man I think you better try something else because you are losing credibility fast! WWWTT The issue was not problems. Of course all the factors you name affected the economy. Again, that is a non sequitur The issue was how competently Rae and his NDP HANDLED those problems! It's not your fault if while driving your Dad's car you got a flat. If instead of pulling over you drove for miles on the rim, destroying the tire instead of ensuring a cheap repair, then you ARE responsible! What's more, you'd be an idiot! Some folks handle problems intelligently and some don't! The fact that you keep missing this point says something about YOUR arguments! Or aren't we both speaking English here? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
stopstaaron Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 CPC are like the Americans.. with their attack ads years before the next election Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
g_bambino Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) This isn't about absolute free speech. But I take it as an attack on free speech, when somebody suggests that only during a certain period of time... we're "allowed" to publicly critiize our government... If a restriction on speech is to you an attack on free speech, then it certainly sounds as though you advocate for speech to be absolutely free. Anyway, that point was secondary to my main one: Cybercoma didn't, contrary to what you balked about, suggest you be denied your right to pay for a spot on television in order to air a criticism of any paricular politiican. And what you can and cannot do is really just a red herring here; the question is: should political parties be allowed to air and print attack ads outside of the period between the dropping of the writs and the election? Spending by parties during campaigns is already limited by the Canada Elections Act and the same law has a lengthy section detailing how much time broadcasters are required to set aside for parties' ads and how to decide how much time each party will get. Why not, then, the time in which parties can spend that money on ads attacking other parties? [ed.: sp, +] Edited March 19, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
stopstaaron Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Liberals are accusing Olivia Chow of telling voters not to vote liberal and was kicked out from being near the polling station now people are tweeting seeing Olivia Chow at a subway station telling people to vote ndp lol Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
UofGPolitico Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Liberals are accusing Olivia Chow of telling voters not to vote liberal and was kicked out from being near the polling station now people are tweeting seeing Olivia Chow at a subway station telling people to vote ndp lol She should be fined by Elections Canada if that is true. Quote
capricorn Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 The conservatives got their support last election from the liberals that jumped ship! It's more than that. There's also the fact that some 900,000 more voters showed up at the polls over the last election. I imagine a couple of those extra voters also said yes to the Conservative. To boot, some Liberals simply stayed home. No problem for the NDP,but big problem for the conservatives now that Iggys gone. Iggy gone was mission accomplished for the Conservative party. No longer a problem, right? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
stopstaaron Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 She should be fined by Elections Canada if that is true. Fined 100,000 at the very least and banned from future polling stations Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
WWWTT Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 The fact that you keep missing this point says something about YOUR arguments! Or aren't we both speaking English here? I'm not missing anything here buddy! I completely understand that you do not like Bob Raes approach to the mountain of problems he had to face. It is in my opinion that he did a somewhat good job.A thankless job! What makes you think your opinion has more merit than mine is what bothers me with your tone,buddy! How old you think I am buddy! I voted in the 1990 provincial election that brought in Bob Rae buddy! You got an opinion,ya good for you,I don't remember the part were your opinion carries more weight! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 Iggy gone was mission accomplished for the Conservative party. No longer a problem, right? You don't sound too confident. Anyways don't ask me,ask the conservatives why they feel the urgency to attack the liberals? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
stopstaaron Posted March 19, 2012 Report Posted March 19, 2012 CPC should want to go against a man so politically damaged like Bob Rae.. these attack ads make it more likely some one maybe stronger will win liberal leadership nomination.. this will backfire on them in the end Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
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