Pew: Liberals most intolerant online

kraychik · July 10, 2012

Consider the fact that you complained the administration of this site to have my signature altered because I accurately paraphrased a comment of yours from another thread which drew an absurd parallel between the Taliban and Christian conservatism in the USA. The beautiful irony of this is that you, as a leftist on this board, have already demonstrated your lack of respect for free and honest discourse. You don't want your own words to be seen in context.

Edited July 10, 2012 by kraychik

Michael Hardner · July 10, 2012

I am absolutely sure that is why. There is no question that leftists have much less respect for freedom of speech and expression than conservatives. Is is natural, given their lack of respect for the individual. It's true in politics and it's true on the internet.

I don't know about that. Christian Conservatives have their own types of social censorship that they favour: not allowing people to mention homosexuality in school, not allowing people to talk about scientific facts about evolution...

Not clear to me that this is a left/right thing.

Michael Hardner · July 10, 2012

Consider the fact that you complained the administration of this site to have my signature altered because I accurately paraphrased a comment of yours from another thread which drew an absurd parallel between the Taliban and Christian conservatism in the USA.

I didn't say anything about the Taliban. Moreover, I sent you a message with a direct link to my quote and it said nothing about the Taliban.

After trying (in a positive way) to get you to withdraw your misquote, I reported it. Win, win.

The beautiful irony of this is that you, as a leftist on this board, have already demonstrated your lack of respect for free and honest discourse. You don't want your own words to be seen in context.

This is doublespeak, in my opinion. You misquoted me on this post, and in the quote on your sig and now you're accusing me of disrespecting 'honest' discourse.

It's ok with me if you want to stand on your falsehoods as facts, and I won't spend a lot of time arguing them even. My experience tells me that posters such as you (left and right examples) don't stick around long enough once their methods are found out by the wider membership at MLW.

Come to think of it, the most recent example of this type of poster was, I believe, a leftist one too. We may have hit a sort of sine wave of sorts here.

kraychik · July 10, 2012

I don't know about that. Christian Conservatives have their own types of social censorship that they favour: not allowing people to mention homosexuality in school, not allowing people to talk about scientific facts about evolution...

Not clear to me that this is a left/right thing.

Wanting control of the education of one's child isn't akin to censorship. Most parents also don't want pornography in schools, is that now "censorship"? I don't think you understand what freedom of speech and expression actually entails.

As far you fearing your own words, you drew a parallel between Christian conservatism and the Muslim Brotherhood. I quoted you, which was done with honest and accurate paraphrasing, and it upset you. It was a textbook example of what we're talking about. You're not alone either, at least one other leftist has hinted that he wants me censored. Lack of respect for freedom of speech and expression has always been a staple of the left: Hitler, Castro, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Stalin, and lesser much leftists like Pierre Trudeau with the Human Rights Act of 1977. And, it's even in this forum.

Michael Hardner · July 10, 2012

Wanting control of the education of one's child isn't akin to censorship. Most parents also don't want pornography in schools, is that now "censorship"? I don't think you understand what freedom of speech and expression actually entails.

How could a parent not have control of their education of their child ? It's censorship to demand that the state not teach them science, regardless of what you're already teaching them at home.

As far you fearing your own words, you drew a parallel between Christian conservatism and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ok - you said the Taliban above ? Is that a retraction ? Ok.

I quoted you, which was done with honest and accurate paraphrasing, and it upset you.

It's conjecture to say I was upset. I contested the accuracy and the moderator agreed.

Let us move on now, there's nothing much else to say.

It was a textbook example of what we're talking about. You're not alone either, at least one other leftist has hinted that he wants me censored. Lack of respect for freedom of speech and expression has always been a staple of the left: Hitler, Castro, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Stalin, and lesser much leftists like Pierre Trudeau with the Human Rights Act of 1977. And, it's even in this forum.

Right. We've already established who in this dialogue misrepresented what was discussed from your tacit (and unacknowledged) correction above.

Why don't we just keep posting and not worry about how Mao is influencing the forum ? What say you ?

Black Dog · July 11, 2012

This absolutely mirrors my experiences. I have been blocked, "unfriended", ignored, and banned from websites and "social media" websites because of my conservatism. There is absolutely no question that the left is far more likely than the right to behave in such a matter, and this is also reflected in leftist politics. Consider moves to curb freedom of speech, they are virtually exclusively leftist policies. Whether it is disastrous "hate speech" regulation or the so-called "Fairness Doctrine", attacks on freedom of speech and expression are virtually exclusively leftist, and this makes sense considering their subscription to the fantasy of "group rights".

Or maybe you're just an asshole.

kraychik · July 12, 2012

After spending a few moments browsing through old threads on this site, I noticed that there was a a detail under every poster's mini-profile in each thread. Some users are indicated to belong to the group "Banned". After looking through about ten users who have been banned and briefly looking through some of their posts I noticed something that didn't surprise me in the least: they were all conservative or conservative leaning.

Here are some usernames I encountered that were banned, all of whom seem to be conservative-leaning. Lukin, M.Dancer, Ricki Bobbi, watching&waiting, olpfan1, Bob, mikedavid00, huh, Oleg Bach, Ontario Loyalist, Michael Bluth.

The only banned user names that I've come across (although admittedly this wasn't a very thorough review) are William Ashley, and Araf, who are clearly leftists.

There was this username, kengs333, who I'm not so sure about, but I'm betting he was banned for something associated with conservatism, as well.

From this basic analysis, the bias of this board, whatever its cause(s), is revealed.

This indicates one of two things. Either the moderation of this board is leftist, which I imagine to be the case considering this is a Canadian board. Or, perhaps those who complain to the moderating team more than anyone are the leftist, who don't respect freedom of speech and expression and regularly do what they can to silence disagreement. This is likely the case, considering that I have been insulted many times since my arrival here, with at least two leftists (cybercoma and TheNewTeddy) openly calling for me to be censored. I am also dishonestly accused of insulting others.

Edited July 12, 2012 by kraychik

kraychik · July 12, 2012

Or maybe you're just an asshole.

Is this post of yours a violation of the rules of this board?

guyser · July 12, 2012

Is this post of yours a violation of the rules of this board?

Not when it is true, otherwise generally yes.

kraychik · July 12, 2012

Not when it is true, otherwise generally yes.

In other words, conservatives aren't welcome here. I get the message.

guyser · July 12, 2012

After looking through about ten users who have been banned and briefly looking through some of their posts I noticed something that didn't surprise me in the least: they were all conservative or conservative leaning. idiots.

fify

Exception is Dancer, he too would have schooled you on Nazism and been way more blunt than you are used to.

But you are very similar to mikedavid00. Probably mikies equal you are.

BOB tried the elftist approach to Nazism, and fo course he too was shot down every time. People who think like that are a dime a dozen and most posters, left right and centre have seen the idiotic shctick before.

From this basic analysis, the bias of this board, whatever its cause(s), is revealed.

Please go on, most already know youre wrong before you say it.

I am also dishonestly accused of insulting others.

No you are not.

cybercoma · July 12, 2012

In other words, conservatives aren't welcome here. I get the message.

You're not "conservatives." You're a loudmouth blowhard that insists on posting inflammatory nonsense, rather than actually debating the topics. Then you play the victim card, which you criticize blacks, homosexuals, women, and others of doing. If you actually had something valuable to say, then you wouldn't need to litter your posts with rhetorical garbage about "the left" because your ideas would stand on their own.

Edited July 12, 2012 by cybercoma

kraychik · July 12, 2012

You're not "conservatives." You're a loudmouth blowhard that insists on posting inflammatory nonsense, rather than actually debating the topics.

Thank you for the personal attack. I appreciate your insults.

Then you play the victim card, which you criticize blacks, homosexuals, women, and others of doing.

I am not a victim that needs your help. I am merely pointing out my observations of the left's lack of respect for freedom of association and expression which is noticeable in politics, as well as in day-to-day interactions including this forum. I've also provided examples of this phenomenon on this forum.

I have never accused blacks, homosexuals, or women of portraying themselves as victims. What What I have said is that the left regularly presents itself as the vanguard of the supposedly special interests that these groups are concerned with, essentially portraying these groups as victims that need the protection of the left. You are now blatantly lying about me, and accusing me of making statements that I have never made. Perhaps I should contact the administration of this board about this and other examples of lies from you as well as personal attacks and insults that characterize virtually all of your posts addressed to me. You consistently break the rules of conduct laid out in the rules and guidelines.

If you actually had something valuable to say, then you wouldn't need to litter your posts with rhetorical garbage about "the left" because your ideas would stand on their own.

Thank you for the insults.

bleeding heart · July 14, 2012

I am absolutely sure that is why. There is no question that leftists have much less respect for freedom of speech and expression than conservatives. Is is natural, given their lack of respect for the individual. It's true in politics and it's true on the internet.

But as Michael just said--perhaps you missed it--there are plenty of conservatives here who don't seem to have the same problem that you do, being persecuted by the leftist conspiracy that is the internet.

kraychik · July 14, 2012

But as Michael just said--perhaps you missed it--there are plenty of conservatives here who don't seem to have the same problem that you do, being persecuted by the leftist conspiracy that is the internet.

I'm not being persecuted. I rather enjoy having leftists calling for me to be censored and banned. It exposes them for who and what they are: terrified of the truth and unable to address it with their false political and historical illusions. If communists and socialists aren't distressed by my presence, I'm doing something wrong.

kraychik · July 14, 2012

Furthermore, the list of people who've been banned, from what I can see, are overwhelmingly right-of-centre. That pretty much tells me all I need to know about this forum, and is entirely compatible with endless other experiences I've had in my life. It's just another example of the left's contempt for the concept of open and honest exchange. Everywhere one looks, one can see the contempt that the left has for freedom of speech and expression.

cybercoma · July 14, 2012

It's just another example of the left's contempt for the concept of open and honest exchange.

Open and honest exchange. Riiight. You're not here to discuss anything or debate honestly. You're here to make inflammatory remarks about the political Left, condemning some strawman caricature you've made up in your mind. If you were actually interested in open and honest discussion, rather than incessant trolling, perhaps you wouldn't be banned everywhere you go. Of course, you know this. But you continue to do it anyway because it allows you to feel like a martyr for your deranged and fanatical beliefs.

Signals.Cpl · July 15, 2012

I'm not being persecuted. I rather enjoy having leftists calling for me to be censored and banned. It exposes them for who and what they are: terrified of the truth and unable to address it with their false political and historical illusions. If communists and socialists aren't distressed by my presence, I'm doing something wrong.

You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face...

Signals.Cpl · July 15, 2012

Furthermore, the list of people who've been banned, from what I can see, are overwhelmingly right-of-centre. That pretty much tells me all I need to know about this forum, and is entirely compatible with endless other experiences I've had in my life. It's just another example of the left's contempt for the concept of open and honest exchange. Everywhere one looks, one can see the contempt that the left has for freedom of speech and expression.

Where is that list? I really want to see the list you speak of...

Signals.Cpl · July 15, 2012

Open and honest exchange. Riiight. You're not here to discuss anything or debate honestly. You're here to make inflammatory remarks about the political Left, condemning some strawman caricature you've made up in your mind. If you were actually interested in open and honest discussion, rather than incessant trolling, perhaps you wouldn't be banned everywhere you go. Of course, you know this. But you continue to do it anyway because it allows you to feel like a martyr for your deranged and fanatical beliefs.

Its not the left, its everyone who is not 100% in agreement with him.

cybercoma · July 15, 2012

Its not the left, its everyone who is not 100% in agreement with him.

Good point. I should have put "Left" in quotations to show irony.

bleeding heart · July 15, 2012

Furthermore, the list of people who've been banned, from what I can see, are overwhelmingly right-of-centre.

they were all conservative or conservative leaning.

Which?

Edited July 15, 2012 by bleeding heart

kraychik · July 17, 2012

Which?

I already posted it in this thread. It's becoming apparent that you don't read posts in threads and jump in with no sense of context, whatsoever. If you want to be relevant around here, I suggest reconsidering this posting strategy of yours.

Peter F · July 17, 2012

I already posted it in this thread. It's becoming apparent that you don't read posts in threads and jump in with no sense of context, whatsoever. If you want to be relevant around here, I suggest reconsidering this posting strategy of yours.

He was pointing out that 'overwhelmingly' does not mean 'all'. 'overwhelmingly' means there was at the very least one who was a lefty. Which contradicts your following statement that 'all' were conservative.

Which makes me think you don't know yourself and are just makin crap up.

Lying, in other words.

kraychik · July 17, 2012

He was pointing out that 'overwhelmingly' does not mean 'all'. 'overwhelmingly' means there was at the very least one who was a lefty. Which contradicts your following statement that 'all' were conservative.

Which makes me think you don't know yourself and are just makin crap up.

Lying, in other words.

Wow, you nailed me. From all the folks that were banned from Mapleleafweb that I came across when looking through old posts, two were from the left, and about ten or more were on the right. Very impressive.