So much for that Education Premiere Moniker

[Smallc]

20 days sick time for 10 months is pretty standard, I would think. most people get 4 hours every 2 weeks.

[Boges]

The whole ideas of a given amount of sick days is pretty crazy IMHO.

There's nothing to stop you from using them when you're not sick. And if you can bank them then what's to stop you from going to work sick because banking them is more important than keeping your co-workers from getting sick.

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't get sick days but to make a finite amount of them available only leads to abuse.

As for the pay freeze. Cry me a river!!!! Who budgets for increased wealth years in advance? Only a public servant with a job for life would. I read in the star today that the teachers got pay increases of like 8% a year.

If you had an expectation of continued raises then why have contracts expire in the first place?

Now if you were banking those sick days depending on that payout later. TOUGH! Many people have it much worse than you and that benefit was totally extravagant to begin with. And you have an excellent pension that used to own the Maple Leafs.

I feel we're going to see more of this as pensions people were promised become more and more unsustainable, even in the public sector.

Edited March 2, 2012 by Boges

[Smallc]

Just to be clear, I don't think that going forward, anyone should be able to cash out sick days. Those are for when you're sick, and nothing else.

[Boges]

Just to be clear, I don't think that going forward, anyone should be able to cash out sick days. Those are for when you're sick, and nothing else.

Yes.

Heck I don't even get to bank unused vacation days. I have to use them up before a certain date or they evaporate.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

I just read that if teacher bank all their alloted sick days they can receive up to a 46,000 payout at retirement above and beyond their incredible pension.

That's like a severance check for retiring.

Does nobody get retirement bonus or retirement bonus anymore?

I'm not trying to justify it.

I just remember that being something that happened at one point in high skilled/professional jobs. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Yes.

Heck I don't even get to bank unused vacation days. I have to use them up before a certain date or they evaporate.

What do you do? Just curious.

[Boges]

What do you do? Just curious.

Not going to reveal that on this website. But it's non-union. I'm perfectly happy with the arrangement I have in regards to vacation/sick days.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

The whole ideas of a given amount of sick days is pretty crazy IMHO.

There's nothing to stop you from using them when you're not sick. And if you can bank them then what's to stop you from going to work sick because banking them is more important than keeping your co-workers from getting sick.

In the real world, I talk to my boss tell him my kids are sick and have him write it in as a vacation day.

[Boges]

In the real world, I talk to my boss tell him my kids are sick and have him write it in as a vacation day.

That's a problem "in the real world".

I've had co-workers that call in sick because their kids are sick. It can become a problem, but what are you going to do?

What I am saying is that having set number of sick days can make it very difficult for employers to use discretion.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

That's a problem "in the real world".

I've had co-workers that call in sick because their kids are sick. It can become a problem, but what are you going to do?

What I am saying is that having set number of sick days can make it very difficult for employers to use discretion.

Maybe we shouldn't call them sick days at all.

Maybe that is the problem. Just lump all peronal days (vacation, medical, personal etc) into one category that is expected to be used up by the end of the year.

Can't remember which "right to work state" had a company that did "25 days, use for illness or vacation"

[Boges]

Maybe that is the problem. Just lump all peronal days (vacation, medical, personal etc) into one category that is expected to be used up by the end of the year.

If that was the case then people wouldn't take a sick day unless they had to.

Unless I'm very sick I usually come into work(I have an office job so it's not incredibly taxing on my body) and make sure my absence wouldn't ruin my co-workers day before I ask to take the rest of the day off. That's usually when I have a very bad cold.

I had a minor case of the Flu a few years back but it was during the H1N1 hysteria and one of the ladies I was working with was pregnant so I took two days off with no problems.

Edited March 3, 2012 by Boges

[MiddleClassCentrist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYR2bMXxf6s&list=UUmGRXuwpyh6F1kqABnSb7ug&index=1&feature=plcpEND

Dalton McGuinty's request to teachers to bend over and take it without any negotiating. (I think that is what annoy's teacher's about this, again, the ones I know were expecting freezes and benefit reduction) Edited March 3, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist

[Boges]

I can't watch that man talk without wanting to cause myself harm.

Edited March 3, 2012 by Boges

[Guest Peeves]

That's not what it is. I have worked in both a school and an early childcare centre. They are very different, though both have a very strong educational component.

Pure unadulterated B/S in my opinion. A 4 year old unless a savant or genius gets a better upbringing by a caring parent than by an untrained teacher on early childhood needs. "Very strong educational component indeed!, for a 4 year old! What, learning not to bite, kick or scratch?

[MiddleClassCentrist]

I can't watch that man talk without wanting to cause myself harm.

It's tough to do. I don't deny it.

[lukin]

Pure unadulterated B/S in my opinion. A 4 year old unless a savant or genius gets a better upbringing by a caring parent than by an untrained teacher on early childhood needs. "Very strong educational component indeed!, for a 4 year old! What, learning not to bite, kick or scratch?

Absolutely 100% correct.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

John Tory talks with OSSTF Federation President http://www.osstf.on.ca/john-tory-cfrb

CliffNotes

- OSSTF understands that we need to look at saving money

- OSSTF wants a specific cut target so that they can be involved in finding creative solutions.

- OSSTF gives example of taking benefits liabilities off of the governments books and into the Unions to save hundreds of millions.

Basically, the government is not actually "talking" with them to find ways to save the money they are looking to save because the are not giving a specific figure amount that needs to be cut.

[Smallc]

"Very strong educational component indeed!, for a 4 year old! What, learning not to bite, kick or scratch?

Again, you really need to be informed on what you're talking about here. You're obviously not. A school is a far more structured environment, and by nursery, students are spending their time doing actual school study work. ECEs and daycare centres deal with initial learning, or learning how to learn.

[lukin]

Again, you really need to be informed on what you're talking about here. You're obviously not. A school is a far more structured environment, and by nursery, students are spending their time doing actual school study work. ECEs and daycare centres deal with initial learning, or learning how to learn.

We always hear much about how great Finland's educational system is. Finnish students don't begin FORMAL education until the age of 7. Before that age, is plenty of unstructured play time; basically letting kids be kids.

Expecting 3 or 4 yr olds to sit still in school is wrong, and when they can't sit still, drugs are recommended. I wonder how many people in the next 10 to 15 years will be negatively affected by the their much too easy ritalin prescriptions?

[Smallc]

We always hear much about how great Finland's educational system is.

Funny, because we hear the same thing about Canada's.

[lukin]

Funny, because we hear the same thing about Canada's.

Where? Public education in Saskatchewan and Manitoba isn't even mediocre.

[Smallc]

Where? Public education in Saskatchewan and Manitoba isn't even mediocre.

Canada ranks extremely well, and there's nothing wrong with public education in Manitoba.

[lukin]

Canada ranks extremely well, and there's nothing wrong with public education in Manitoba.

There is plenty wrong. You must be a teacher.

[lukin]

Manitoba is great. That's why they are at the bottom o the barrel in math.

More essential mat please.

[Smallc]

There is plenty wrong. You must be a teacher.

I am not. I am a small business owner who was very happy with his education. If you didn't get something from it, that was your own fault.