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Shakeyhands · April 18, 2012

New information in the Robocalls case:

Not looking good for the CPC.

Quite interesting. The hole is certainly being dug.

waldo · April 18, 2012

gaps in the Harper Conservative's CIMS database logs, hey?

booster club... oh booster club... where are you?

cybercoma · April 18, 2012

gaps in the Harper Conservative's CIMS database logs, hey?

booster club... oh booster club... where are you?

"There's gaps in the logs because they weren't involved. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol: "

ironstone · April 18, 2012

The Ottawa Citizen has actually assigned two reporters to investigate this robocall thing full time.This story has dominated the front page of this paper for more than a month now.Every story is pretty much the same,so and so made a call to so and so....blah blah.

They have beaten this story to death.

waldo · April 18, 2012

....blah blah. They have beaten this story to death.

this 'blah blah' booster club response... has been beaten to death!

capricorn · April 18, 2012

The Ottawa Citizen has actually assigned two reporters to investigate this robocall thing full time.

It's interesting that Maher and McGregor credit their information to "sources close to the investigation". And who is investigating? Well, that would be Elections Canada and the RCMP. Either someone on the inside has a big mouth or the information leaks are being orchestrated on purpose. It's one or the other. Marc Mayrand boasted that EC's investigations are conducted confidentially and in respect of privacy laws. Well, that premise is now out the window and the whole investigatory process is full of holes.

waldo · April 19, 2012

It's interesting that Maher and McGregor credit their information to "sources close to the investigation". And who is investigating? Well, that would be Elections Canada and the RCMP. Either someone on the inside has a big mouth or the information leaks are being orchestrated on purpose. It's one or the other. Marc Mayrand boasted that EC's investigations are conducted confidentially and in respect of privacy laws. Well, that premise is now out the window and the whole investigatory process is full of holes.

or perhaps... there's a leak in the PMO! Oh my gosh... the PMO is sinking! All boosters on deck!!!

cybercoma · April 19, 2012

Remember how the Conservatives claimed they were just trying to help out voters with polling changes?

6 robocall ridings had no polling changes

capricorn · April 19, 2012

Remember how the Conservatives claimed they were just trying to help out voters with polling changes?

Did the Conservatives name any ridings when that was put forward as a possible explanation? I doubt it.

cybercoma · April 19, 2012

Really? That's what you got?

capricorn · April 19, 2012

Really? That's what you got?

6 ridings mentioned in the court case have been found not to have had changes to polling stations. That still leaves quite a number of polling station changes (127 reported by Elections Canada) in a number of ridings not accounted for in those 6 ridings. Action to GOTV takes on a different tack in cases where polling stations have been moved and necessitates calling your supporters ASAP to inform them of the change. That's what the Conservatives have said from day one. Contrary to your allegation, the ridings named in the Council of Canadians court case in no way changes anything in what the Conservatives said originally.

cybercoma · April 19, 2012

My allegation? Jesus. You're not even trying any more.

cybercoma · April 19, 2012

And it's not getting any better with each new article

http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/canada/politics/article/1163758--robocalls-conservative-party-s-firm-directed-voters-in-northern-ontario-to-wrong-polling-stations-says-former-employee

OTTAWA—An employee at a call centre used by the Conservative party in last year’s election says she wrongly informed voters in a northern Ontario riding that their polling station had been changed just days before the vote.
The sworn affidavit of Annette Desgagne, a former employee of the Responsive Marketing Group, says she specifically recalls contacting voters in the riding of Nipissing-Tamiskaming to tell them they would have to cast their ballots at a different location than the one printed on their voting cards.

She says she did so while reading a script provided by the call centre, which was hired by numerous Tory candidates during the campaign to identify likely Conservative supporters and to urge them to cast a ballot in the May 2, 2011 vote.

(cont)

waldo · April 19, 2012

6 ridings mentioned in the court case have been found not to have had changes to polling stations. That still leaves quite a number of polling station changes (127 reported by Elections Canada) in a number of ridings not accounted for in those 6 ridings.

any details you'd like to share on the distribution of those 127 polling station changes... you know... those 127 polling station changes out of the 2011 election grand total of 15,262 across Canada? Ah yes, another favourite booster club go-to... always emphasize the 127 number, but conveniently leave out that contextual ditty that it represented <1% of all polling stations.

madmax · April 19, 2012

I like this.

February

the Conservatives launched their own internal investigation, led by Toronto lawyer Arthur Hamilton

April

Arthur Hamilton told CBC News that he is not conducting an investigation and has not conducted an investigation into the calls...

cybercoma · April 19, 2012

How much more obvious could it be?

Topaz · April 19, 2012

Well., let look at the facts, the Tories past history shows they will do anything to GET to their objective and that being a majority. They were found guilt in the "in and out scam" they tried to bribe a MP for votes. They also have done some other things that the media and public don't know about and one MP was boosting about the 'dirty deed" at a gathering. How do I know, somone that was there told me. Harper needed the majority to Alberta the oil and gas industry, to reduce social programs, health care, reduce corporate taxes, etc. The only question now is, how well did they cover their tracks, knowing what hey were doing was wrong. Harper is REALLY going to have HELP from his friends on this one.

capricorn · April 19, 2012

I like this.

February

the Conservatives launched their own internal investigation, led by Toronto lawyer Arthur Hamilton

In February, this is what the media was reporting.

the Conservatives are conducting an internal probe. A party lawyer is interviewing campaign workers to find who was behind the “robocalls.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/23/charges-must-be-laid-ndp-fury-at-illegal-election-robocalls-linked-to-tories/

April
Arthur Hamilton told CBC News that he is not conducting an investigation and has not conducted an investigation into the calls...

This is what the CBC reported yesterday.

The party's lawyer also contradicted media reports that said he was leading an internal party investigation. Arthur Hamilton told CBC News that he is not conducting an investigation and has not conducted an investigation into the calls.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2012/04/17/pol-robocalls-guelph-investigation-extends.html

You're trying to make it that the Conservatives contradicted themselves. The fact is, in February Hamilton interviewed some campaign workers. A few interviews constitutes an internal investigation? That's stretching it. At that time neither the party or Hamilton said they were conducting an internal investigation. It was the media who concluded Hamilton was conducting an internal party investigation.

Vendetta · April 19, 2012

In February, this is what the media was reporting.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/23/charges-must-be-laid-ndp-fury-at-illegal-election-robocalls-linked-to-tories/

This is what the CBC reported yesterday.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2012/04/17/pol-robocalls-guelph-investigation-extends.html

You're trying to make it that the Conservatives contradicted themselves. The fact is, in February Hamilton interviewed some campaign workers. A few interviews constitutes an internal investigation? That's stretching it. At that time neither the party or Hamilton said they were conducting an internal investigation. It was the media who concluded Hamilton was conducting an internal party investigation.

I think they were just investigating what evidence they needed to delete from the CIMS database so that they could obstruct justice most effectively.

Shakeyhands · April 19, 2012

In February, this is what the media was reporting.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/23/charges-must-be-laid-ndp-fury-at-illegal-election-robocalls-linked-to-tories/

This is what the CBC reported yesterday.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2012/04/17/pol-robocalls-guelph-investigation-extends.html

You're trying to make it that the Conservatives contradicted themselves. The fact is, in February Hamilton interviewed some campaign workers. A few interviews constitutes an internal investigation? That's stretching it. At that time neither the party or Hamilton said they were conducting an internal investigation. It was the media who concluded Hamilton was conducting an internal party investigation.

Sigh...

So he interviewed some people.... Was he thinking of hiring them or was this part of an investigation?

madmax · April 19, 2012

You're trying to make it that the Conservatives contradicted themselves.

YES!

capricorn · April 19, 2012

YES!

I would agree except that in February, Hamilton and the Conservatives never stated or told the media they were conducting an investigation. So there was no reversal on their part about what they told the media. That's all I pointed out.

madmax · April 19, 2012

I would agree except that in February, Hamilton and the Conservatives never stated or told the media they were conducting an investigation. So there was no reversal on their part about what they told the media. That's all I pointed out.

This doesn't make them look any better.. infact it makes them look worse.