August1991 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I think by now all signs point to pierre poutine being Andrew Prescotthttp://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/life/story.html?id=6274256 So what?Nobody cares - except voters who really, really hate Harper - and these people cannot organize to change the next election. ---- When Bob Rae can raise money to identify voters and defeat Harper, get back to me. Until then, this Robocall story is English CBC/MSM mush. In a week or two, I fear there will be another story (progressives are always ADD) and they'll find different red meat for the CBC/leftist crowd. Maybe protestant Harper will pocket another host in a Catholic church. Edited March 9, 2012 by August1991 Quote
Bryan Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 I think by now all signs point to pierre poutine being Andrew Prescott http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/life/story.html?id=6274256 The story you linked to shows the opposite, that the robo-vote -suppressor was already up and running, and targeting Conservative voters. Something that had already been reported to Elections Canada back in May. EC concluded that there was no hard evidence to justify an investigation, and even if there were, the robo-calls were just a nuisance, not illegal. Just like the in-and-out faux scandal before it, EC sure changed their tune when it looked like non-Conservatives might have been called too. The selective outrage over this non-issue only serves to reinforce the reason why the CPC has garnered more support in five consecutive elections: the opposition has cried wolf far too many times, and the electorate is not listening to it anymore. Quote
madmax Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 So what? Nobody cares - Their are many people that are concerned. except voters who really, really hate Harper - and these people cannot organize to change the next election. There is this group as well... Quote
GostHacked Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 So what? Nobody cares - except voters who really, really hate Harper - and these people cannot organize to change the next election. ---- When Bob Rae can raise money to identify voters and defeat Harper, get back to me. Until then, this Robocall story is English CBC/MSM mush. In a week or two, I fear there will be another story (progressives are always ADD) and they'll find different red meat for the CBC/leftist crowd. Maybe protestant Harper will pocket another host in a Catholic church. The public should not let this story die. This will effect the next elections as well. I don't think many quite understand the scope and impact of this. The line of 'because you hate Harper' is not the real issue at hand. It just happens to be during Harper's watch. And if he has dirt on his hands because of this, then he should have the book thrown at him, and his ass thrown in jail. Quote
madmax Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 The story you linked to shows the opposite, that the robo-vote -suppressor was already up and running, and targeting Conservative voters. Something that had already been reported to Elections Canada back in May. EC concluded that there was no hard evidence to justify an investigation, and even if there were, the robo-calls were just a nuisance, not illegal. Impersonating Elections Canada is Fraudulent and illegal. I am sure that all of Mr. Prescotts evidence has been sent to Elections Canada Prescott, a self-described cellphone expert, followed up a few minutes later with another tweet claiming that these phone calls were “using spoofed Caller-ID of Burke campaign. I ‘wonder’ who it could be ...” I am curious to know what information Andrew Prescott The Conservative Deputy Campaign Manager found regarding Lisa Raits Riding of Halton.. He also sent a public Twitter message to CBC blogger Kady O’Malley, speculating the Liberals’ internal polling “must be REALLY BAD, voter suppression calls in Guelph AND Halton ... anywhere else?” Mr. Prescott tweet on "Suppression Tactics" believed they were from the Liberal Party and spoke about this 2 days before Eday. Very Interesting... Quote
Wild Bill Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Just like the in-and-out faux scandal before it, EC sure changed their tune when it looked like non-Conservatives might have been called too. The selective outrage over this non-issue only serves to reinforce the reason why the CPC has garnered more support in five consecutive elections: the opposition has cried wolf far too many times, and the electorate is not listening to it anymore. I think you're quite right, Bryan. Even if some Tories ARE guilty! Throwing mud is such an easy thing to do. Couple this with my long-held belief that leftwing voters seem to be more "heart" people than "head" people and it's not hard to see why so many get so riled up about these things. The real issue of course has nothing to do with the truth. Rather, it's to do with how many voters change their mind because of an apparent scandal. The opposition supporters are actually a null factor. They have long ago made up their minds and their numbers won't change. Still, many feel a duty to somehow strike down their EVIL political opponents! They will fling monkeypoo at the slightest provocation, over even the most trivial issues, hoping desperately that something will stick and tarnish their opponents to the point where they lose power. What totally flies over their head is that the average Canadian just doesn't care to the same degree that they do! They also have a healthy skepticism over ANYTHING told to them by political types! So such scandals can just blow over, except for those few times when an issue exceeds a critical point. What is a critical point? Adscam was one. A friend of mine who was normally not very political was incensed over that scandal, often ranting loudly about the "crookedness" of the Liberal Party. I asked him why he suddenly was paying so much attention and he told me that he expected politicians to be a bit crooked but when they took DIRECTLY FROM HIS TAX MONEY and spent it not on pet or pork political projects but solely and only on THEMSELVES that was crossing the line! Some folks here on MLW might remember the uproar years ago with the cable companies attempting "negative billing", where if you didn't happen to notice or respond to their info about additions to your service you automatically were given them and billed for them! That issue touched ordinary folks directly and so they responded when normally they didn't pay attention. After a while your nose gets used to monkeypoo! It can actually get boring! As you said, it's a case of crying wolf. And so even when the wolf actually is there no one listens to the warning! With politics, that is actually a tragedy. It is the job of the Opposition to keep the ruling party in line for the good of the people. Somehow they have long forgotten that and act as if their job is simply to up seat the government and get themselves into power. The people for the most part don't care that much for the politicians' power games. The Opposition have trained the Canadian people to "tune out" - exactly the opposite result they were hoping to achieve. Which means that if we are ever truly ruled by wolves we are going to get eaten! Thanks a lot, Opposition supporters! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
cybercoma Posted March 9, 2012 Author Report Posted March 9, 2012 So what? Nobody cares - except voters who really, really hate Harper - and these people cannot organize to change the next election. If nobody cares about voter suppression then they don't deserve to live in a democratic country. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 9, 2012 Author Report Posted March 9, 2012 It's one thing to defend the Conservatives, it's quite another to excuse and ignore fraudulent election activities like sending voters to non-existent polling stations, impersonating Elections Canada, and harassing voters by calling Jewish communities on the Sabbath and making campaign calls at midnight. Those of you that think these kinds of things are par for the course, not worth investigating, and otherwise meaningless disgust me. I'm ashamed that you're actually voting Canadians. Quote
madmax Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 I think you're quite right, Bryan. Even if some Tories ARE guilty! The real issue of course has nothing to do with the truth. Rather, it's to do with how many voters change their mind because of an apparent scandal. Thats true with anything political. Even if it is true "some" Tories are guilty, it will depend on how much slack the public are prepared to give the government. A change of government will occur when people tire of such nonsense and no government is immune. Until then... Investigative Reporters, Elections Canada, RCMP and others will continue to follow this story, even when it falls off the political radar, because of the nature and scope, I don't believe this is going to go away. I don't believe every guilty party will get fingered.. but someone is going to go down.... just wait till one breaks ranks and starts talking as the heat gets on them.. Quote
Wild Bill Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 If nobody cares about voter suppression then they don't deserve to live in a democratic country. Stop and take a deep breath, CC! Don't you see what your statement really means? You are stating your opinion, not necessarily a fact. In effect, you are saying that those who don't agree with you have no right to live in a democratic country. You sound far more religious than logical, as if you are despising those not of your church! I don't think you truly mean that. I think you just let your passion get away on you. That sort of thinking is all to easy a trap into which to fall. Look at Vic Toews and his line about how you either stand with his crowd or with the pedophiles. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
mentalfloss Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) Press "1" for "Let's be clear." Press "2" for "The opposition has no evidence." Press "3" for "This is an unsubstantiated smear campaign." Edited March 9, 2012 by mentalfloss Quote
GostHacked Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Agreed. But if we really want to open up that can of worms (and I think we should), we need to look at all parties who use these tactics, which in this case is ALL PARTIES on the hill. The problem is, I'm not sure any of them have the stomach to open up their closet and let the skeletons out. I agree on all your points here. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Agreed. But if we really want to open up that can of worms (and I think we should), we need to look at all parties who use these tactics, which in this case is ALL PARTIES on the hill. The problem is, I'm not sure any of them have the stomach to open up their closet and let the skeletons out. Yet the Liberals and NDP said sure, take a look at our records, yet the CPC still refuses. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
CPCFTW Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 It get's sadder, but that is for another time I'm sorry to hear that. I'm just saying that bringing up works of fiction actually weakens your argument. Though the wire is a great show! Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Yeah, they are definitely on the defensive, it's not good optics, that's for sure. Maybe they are concerned with the very real possibility that no matter what records show, it will give the opposition an opportunity to drum up more baseless rhetoric, further complicating the investigation. I'm just throwing that out there since we are all using speculation to substantiate our opinions at this point, and thought I'd join in on the fun. Understood on your it out, but I don't see how it could, not in the least. If there is nothing to hide, why the issue? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Topaz Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 It was brought out in the House that the Tories are now working with EC because EC, got a subpoena for all of their documents was issued. We taxpayers, had to pay 1.2 Million for the "in and out" scam, and I think the Tories should pay that money back to taxpayers because by refusing to open up to EC they drag out the costs. I still say another election is going to have to happen because of the uncertainty of the 2011 election. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 It was brought out in the House that the Tories are now working with EC because EC, got a subpoena for all of their documents was issued. Really? all along they said they were giving everything they had to EC and now we learn that they had to be subpoenaed? I hope this is not true Quote
Bryan Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 If nobody cares about voter suppression then they don't deserve to live in a democratic country. Nobody cares about some annoying phone calls. If someone chooses not to vote because they got a phone call that was annoying, THEY are the ones who "don't deserve to live in a democratic country". Besides, turnout was actually UP by almost a million voters. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Besides, turnout was actually UP by almost a million voters. That isn't a very good defence Quote
Bryan Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Really? all along they said they were giving everything they had to EC and now we learn that they had to be subpoenaed? I hope this is not true Of course they did. We already went through this. The opposition is not going to get a look at the inner workings of how the Conservative campaigns are run. The CPC is simply not going to show them how they got their asses handed to them for five consecutive elections. that's all this nonsense is really about, a ruse by the opposition to try to get some inside info. Rest assured, even with a subpoena, neither the opposition, nor EC are going get a look at everything, and nor should they. Quote
Bryan Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 That isn't a very good defence Really? You're claiming suppression, but the fact is more people voted. That is the opposite. Quote
mentalfloss Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) Really? You're claiming suppression, but the fact is more people voted. That is the opposite. Just because more people voted doesn't mean that suppression doesn't exist. It could even be that a higher turnout shows that there may be more suppressed this time around than ever before. This was pointed out as a red herring in the recent G&M article making the same claim. Edited March 9, 2012 by mentalfloss Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Really? You're claiming suppression, but the fact is more people voted. That is the opposite. Suppression of Liberal & NDP voters Quote
Bryan Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 It could even be that a higher turnout shows that there may be more suppressed this time around than ever before. Logic is not your strong suit, is it? Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Posted March 9, 2012 Of course they did. We already went through this. The opposition is not going to get a look at the inner workings of how the Conservative campaigns are run. The CPC is simply not going to show them how they got their asses handed to them for five consecutive elections. that's all this nonsense is really about, a ruse by the opposition to try to get some inside info. Rest assured, even with a subpoena, neither the opposition, nor EC are going get a look at everything, and nor should they. Dude, I don't think Conservatives have any secret information on how to win elections, The Liberals have had no decent leader since the fall of the Liberal government in 2006 and the NDP were always a 3rd rate party until last year due to the popularity boom of Jack Layton The CPC this whole time have been saying they've been cooperating with EC but now we find out that was one huge lie That is going to hurt them Quote
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