Topaz Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 The Tories are looking more and more guilty of something, maybe bad excuses. Saying that they don't have to turn over anything because THEY know they didn't do anything wrong!!! That is so laugable. The Question now becomes, does EC and the voters believe it? Del Mastro is talking like a former car dealer, and how truthful are they? Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) Andrew Prescott is going to get thrown under the bus here, as well as Ken Morgan & Abdul-Qayum Ali They were the ones who were responsible for the Conservative campaign in Guelph and none of them can give a straight answer about what happened to the invoices Edited March 6, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 E.C has just set up an election complaint forum for everyone to complain about calls they had received http://www.elections.ca/commissioner/complaint.aspx?lang=e Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 Here is a song and video about Pierre Poutine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXKcDkULIEE&sns=em Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 “@CBCAlerts: Conservative Party drops its appeal of In and Out ruling . Court had ruled party broke spending rules in 2006 election” sounds like harpers trying to kiss EC's ass now Quote
waldo Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 oh my! Tories didn’t declare payments made to robocalls company, can’t explain why Elections Canada investigators probing the robocalls scandal are interviewing workers on the Conservative campaign in Guelph, Ont., and trying to determine why payments made to an Edmonton voice-broadcasting company were not declared in financial reports filed with the agency.Elections Canada wants to know why the costs of automated calls the campaign has admitted sending out never appeared in the campaign’s expense report, as required by law. Andrew Prescott, the deputy campaign manager, said he is co-operating with the investigation and handing over bills he received from RackNine Inc. for a series of robocalls promoting Burke events during the election. The same company was used to transmit misleading Elections Canada calls on election day. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 Andrew Prescott has been caught in a few lies already the jig is up a-hole, you are busted Quote
UofGPolitico Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 Andrew Prescott has been caught in a few lies already the jig is up a-hole, you are busted I certainly hope you do not have aspirations of going into the legal profession. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 6, 2012 Author Report Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) I wonder why the media has stopped talking about CIMS and how the Conservative's database marries constituent data, including things like ethnicity, income, and age, with their voter-list data, unlike NDP Vote and Liberalist. It was CIMS that allowed the Conservatives to target the "ethnic vote" in specific areas. If they can engage in this kind of micro-targeting of voters, then it stands to reason that they could, although it has yet to be proven, also engage in voter suppression through micro-targeting with this info. High-level Conservatives acknowledge that may be possible, but are adamant that voter suppression was not condoned and would not be worth the political risk. The database was designed so that local campaigns could access and update the data for their riding, but not others. The national party can access the entire database. Mr. Flanagan said there is a middle level of access that applies to regional campaign managers who can access a group of ridings. http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/robo-call-furor-focuses-attention-on-massive-tory-database/article2354727/?service=mobile Oh suuuuuuure. It's possible, but they would never do anything like that. Just take their word for it because they won't release their phone logs. Edited March 6, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
capricorn Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) This provides a window as to why Elections Canada has set up its own form for citizens to register complaints and concerns about robocalls and other irregularities stemming from the 2011 election. Flooded by communications from political parties and groups, such as the left-wing Leadnow.ca and the U.S.-based Avaaz.org, Elections Canada is begging anyone concerned about robocalls in the 2011 election to use its centralized portal for complaints."Some organizations have set up their own processes to gather the concerns and complaints of electors," the agency said in a statement Tuesday. "To avoid confusion, Elections Canada asks those political parties, members of Parliament, candidates, their representatives and any organization collecting or receiving information to direct electors to the complaint form on the Elections Canada website." http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2012/03/06/19468066.html If I was head of Elections Canada, I'd devise a form letter of reply and address them individually to all those who forwarded them a standardized email via leadnow.ca and Avaaz campaigns. I would then email them all to leadnow.ca and Avaaz. Edited March 6, 2012 by capricorn Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
stopthefraud Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 the company, "Racknine"... whatever relevance/significance you think mentioning the company's riding location (or reference to it's MP) has, are few things are certain: I do not know how anyone is surprised by this , harper is a dishonest despot Quote
capricorn Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 I do not know how anyone is surprised by this , harper is a dishonest despot Welcome to MLW stopthefraud. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
scribblet Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 I do not know how anyone is surprised by this , harper is a dishonest despot Hmmm really, he's Hitler, Lenin and Pol Pot of course all rolled into one giant kitten eater... Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
eyeball Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 I certainly hope you do not have aspirations of going into the legal profession. This seems like an apropos attitude for the prosecutorial side of the profession. How do you expect the state to crack down and get tough without getting a little mean on the side? You're only asking for an epidemic of bleeding-heartism otherwise. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
UofGPolitico Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Comparing Harper to individuals like Hitler and Lenin REALLY do not do anything to further any argument against his legitimacy. It just makes people seem very off the mark. He's probably the most dictatorial PM Canada has had, but he's nothing compared to those individuals. He's not sending secret police out to make anyone complaining about his policies "disappear". Edited March 7, 2012 by UofGPolitico Quote
UofGPolitico Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 This seems like an apropos attitude for the prosecutorial side of the profession. How do you expect the state to crack down and get tough without getting a little mean on the side? You're only asking for an epidemic of bleeding-heartism otherwise. It was his assuming guilt before innocence mantra that I was poking fun at. Maybe instead of legal, I should have said judicial profession. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 It was his assuming guilt before innocence mantra that I was poking fun at. Maybe instead of legal, I should have said judicial profession. When one lies continuously there is truth they do not want to get out Quote
Bryan Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 Comparing Harper to individuals like Hitler and Lenin REALLY do not do anything to further any argument against his legitimacy. It just makes people seem very off the mark. He's probably the most dictatorial PM Canada has had, but he's nothing compared to those individuals. He's not sending secret police out to make anyone complaining about his policies "disappear". People love to call Harper names, but ask for evidence of him being a despot, and all they ever have is crazy conspiracy theories. Remember, It was Chretien who inspired the book "The Friendly Dictatorship", and it's author (Jeffrey Simpson) is a lefty. At the time most centre-right voters felt exactly the same way about the Liberals as the left-leaners feel right now about Harper. You don't like the guy who won, your mind won't let accept that his win could have happened, so you start to invent scenarios by which is must have been a fraud. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 People love to call Harper names, but ask for evidence of him being a despot, and all they ever have is crazy conspiracy theories. Remember, It was Chretien who inspired the book "The Friendly Dictatorship", and it's author (Jeffrey Simpson) is a lefty. At the time most centre-right voters felt exactly the same way about the Liberals as the left-leaners feel right now about Harper. You don't like the guy who won, your mind won't let accept that his win could have happened, so you start to invent scenarios by which is must have been a fraud. I know the whole idea was to change the channel here, but please keep in mind it was a right wing member of the Booster Club who trotted out the names here, not a left leaning member. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
scribblet Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 I know the whole idea was to change the channel here, but please keep in mind it was a right wing member of the Booster Club who trotted out the names here, not a left leaning member. True, but that was in response to the 'despot' crack, I should've put a sarcasm thingy there. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
cybercoma Posted March 7, 2012 Author Report Posted March 7, 2012 People love to call Harper names, but ask for evidence of him being a despot, and all they ever have is crazy conspiracy theories. Remember, It was Chretien who inspired the book "The Friendly Dictatorship", and it's author (Jeffrey Simpson) is a lefty. At the time most centre-right voters felt exactly the same way about the Liberals as the left-leaners feel right now about Harper. You don't like the guy who won, your mind won't let accept that his win could have happened, so you start to invent scenarios by which is must have been a fraud. The Friendly Dictator, as you will know if you read it, was critical of Chretien of course, but it was more pointedly a criticism of the office of Prime Minister more generally. If you believe the office holds too much power and that it amounts to a de facto dictatorship, then you would agree that Harper as well holds too much power. You're only accepting of it now because it's your party. Quote
madmax Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 It was Chretien who inspired the book "The Friendly Dictatorship", and it's author (Jeffrey Simpson) is a lefty. At the time most centre-right voters felt exactly the same way about the Liberals as the left-leaners feel right now about Harper. You don't like the guy who won, your mind won't let accept that his win could have happened, so you start to invent scenarios by which is must have been a fraud. Perhaps you need a rethink of your argument. Left Leaning people like the author above did not accept it. Left Leaning people don't accept it when it was Chretien nor now with the implications looking at the Conservative Party and the Harper Government. It doesn't help matters when the Harper Government behaves similar to the Chretien government in their ability to deflect and ignore the issue at hand. It takes time for this to sink into the Canadian Public. Therefore your argument is incorrect.. CentreRight and CentreLeft and even moreso..FAR LEFT did not support the position of the Chretien government. Eventually the Voting Public did not either and the Liberals were removed from power. I expect the same scenario to follow through with the Conservative Harper Government as this story unfolds and should the facts implicat the Conservatives and their operatives.. It will be bad news for the Conservatives... What I see are alot of Silent Conservatives.. cause .... they think just maybe it was them and they don't want to pass judgement to soon, but if it does come to pass the Conservatives, Racknine, RMG were involved with Rogue Ops... then they too will look for a massive shakeup within their party. Once people tired of the Liberal Shannigans the Liberal Vote went to the RIGHT and to the Left Respectively. People accept that Harper won. People won't accept anyone Impersonating Elections Canada.. especially if its orchestrated on a large scale level... AND NEITHER SHOULD THE CONSERVATIVES!!! which we don't hear anything about. The Conservatives downplaying of this issue continues to be an embarrassment to them. It would be better if the Conservatives actually cooperated vs say they are cooperating then stonewalling with the information that they have available to them. So far ELections Canada has fingered Conservative Firms. No one else!!! THe Fraudulent Calls go through Conservativer Firms. The Records of Payment to the Firms are NOT listed on the Official Campaign Expenses. This is unheard of in campaign expense reporting. While it is not normal for the general public to know this... that in itself is a HUGE RED FLAG.... It doesn't look good ..... ....."but the Liberals"....... Well ... but the Liberals ..... "WERE REDUCED TO A RUMP" something never seen before in Electoral Politics since Confederation. The Conservatives can stonewall all they want.. like the Liberals did. Eventually the truth will come out.... Even Mulroney finally got caught after being fully exonerated.. Denial cannot be taken at face value. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 Even Mulroney finally got caught after being fully exonerated.. Did he have to pay that money back? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
olpfan1 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) Angus Reid surveys a thousand Canadians and finds that “almost two thirds … think the Guelph occurrence is ‘probably’ or ‘definitely’ one of many that took place in the last federal campaign,” including 47% of Conservative supporters. Respondents were then asked how likely each of the federal parties was to “provide false and misleading information to voters through telephone calls with pre-recorded messages during a political campaign.” Only a third of respondents in Canada think the Green Party (32%) and the New Democratic Party (NDP) (33%) are “very likely” or “moderately likely” to rely on this tactic. In Quebec, 32 per cent of respondents think the Bloc Québécois is likely to use robocalls with misleading information. A majority of Canadians believe the Liberal Party (55%) and the Conservative Party (63%) are likely to provide false and misleading information to voters through telephone calls with pre-recorded messages during a political campaign. In fact, two-in-five Canadians (39%) think the Tories are “very likely” to rely on this tactic. http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/03/07/brand-management-2/ Edited March 7, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
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