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[Topaz]

There's one issue no matter what party you support, DID the Tories really win HONESTLY the election. Even though I didn't vote for them, IF they did then fine, but if there's enough doubt in the minds of voters, this isn't good for the Tories and how do we get out of this mess. Hold 30+ byelections, put the same people back into the running and have another elections. OR put the Tories back to a minority governmnt??? Views?

[capricorn]

This guy was a crown attorney? lol, inappropriate is not the word for it

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/02/27/ns-robocalls-defence-minister.html

The Conservative Party does not need to look into "robocalls" made during the last federal election any further, Defence Minister Peter MacKay says.

"It's certainly not something our party condones," MacKay said Sunday of the fraudulent calls to voters. "It's inappropriate behaviour to say the least."

But he told CBC News in New Glasgow, N.S., that he believes the calls directing people to wrong or non-existent polling places were isolated incidents.

In some other posts, you reproduce the full content of your links, something which is discouraged by the mods by the way. In this post, you select quotes to paint McKay in the worst possible light. So here is what McKay added which you conveniently omitted.

If there is information that is out there that's really an issue for elections Canada, or further, if there's criminal activity involved, that information should be given to police," he said. "Really if it's broader, if there are more individuals, then I think it's an investigation for Elections Canada.

[olpfan1]

In some other posts, you reproduce the full content of your links, something which is discouraged by the mods by the way. In this post, you select quotes to paint McKay in the worst possible light. So here is what McKay added which you conveniently omitted.

I think any ape could click on a link

I didnt omit it, im on an ipod

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[capricorn]

All we have so far unverified statements of what they think they remember, so again there's no hard evidence about anything... I await facts.

Bob Rae wants an emergency parliamentary debate in the House so that the opposition can render judgment on the Conservatives before the official investigation is completed. It's so transparent.

Mike Duffy is partisan of course but his theory isn't off the wall IMO, I think there is more to this than meets the eye. The problem now is that the media and the opposition have a done a very good job at framing the narrative so no matter how innocent the party is, or proven to be, it will not be believed.

Possible Third Parties G & M

Must...not...deflect...from the guilt of Conservatives.

[olpfan1]

http://m.peterboroughexaminer.com/articledisplay.aspx?e=3106797

Call it a case of mistaken Jeffs.

MPP Jeff Leal sent out a heated press release Tuesday afternoon, after hearing complaints from constituents who said they received an automated phone call Monday evening.

The message identified the speaker as "Jeff," and reminded them to go vote. Some residents, and Leal, assumed that the caller was an imposter claiming to be the region's MPP.

Leal believed the caller was trying to annoy voters and create ill-will toward the provincial Liberal party.

He vowed to find the culprit and publicly expose him or her, telling The Examiner he would leave no stone unturned until he did so.

MP Dean Del Mastro read The Examiner's article online, called the newsroom and offered to overturn that stone for Leal.

"It was us," Del Mastro said. "It was my campaign manager, Jeff Westlake."

Del Mastro said his campaign sent out two automated phone calls, one in the morning, and one in the afternoon, to people they had identified as Conservative supporters.

The message, about 10 to 12 seconds long, reminded residents that Monday was election day, and provided the campaign office's phone number in case someone needed a ride to a polling station.

It's a standard practice, Del Mastro said, adding that he would be calling Leal next to sort out the confusion.

[email protected]

see how conservatives roll? unless you are jack layton people dont just go by their first name, what kind of professional says hes just Jeff?

clearly the man did not want to give his last name

this is tantamount to harrassment

and its del mastro... he was about to get caught so he figured he may as well tell us

what an a$$

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[scribblet]

There's one issue no matter what party you support, DID the Tories really win HONESTLY the election. Even though I didn't vote for them, IF they did then fine, but if there's enough doubt in the minds of voters, this isn't good for the Tories and how do we get out of this mess. Hold 30+ byelections, put the same people back into the running and have another elections. OR put the Tories back to a minority governmnt??? Views?

IMO they did, there is no hard evidence to suggest they did not or would have lost if this hadn't happened, but it needs to be cleared up and quickly. No doubt the opposition parties are writing their attack ads as we speak, and they have been allowed to frame the narrative as some people lap up every unverified tidbit they are fed.

I don't believe parties have complete ID lists of other party voting preferences, certainly not in some database easily uploaded to the robo call website. The information is not that easily massaged into a useable format for robo calls.

[olpfan1]

Bob Rae wants an emergency parliamentary debate in the House so that the opposition can render judgment on the Conservatives before the official investigation is completed. It's so transparent.

Must...not...deflect...from the guilt of Conservatives.

If Harper had any integrity he'd call a full public inquiry

but he doesn't so he won't

the man doesnt have the courage & integrity martin had

[capricorn]

I think any ape could click on a link

The vast majority of posters only reproduce that portion of links relevant to their comments. That is consistent with what the administrators and mods request of members.

I didnt omit it, im on an ipod

Lame excuse.

[olpfan1]

http://thestar.blogs.com/politics/2012/02/script.html

Let's go back to the December controversy over the calls made to Irwin Cotler's riding, in which constituents reported they were told that Mr. Cotler was resigning. The Conservative Party admitted that it paid the firm to do these calls and that it tightly managed what callers were supposed to say. In the process, we also learned a bit more about how these call centres work. In fact, numerous Conservative spokespersons, media outlets and the Marketing Research Intelligence Association were given copies of the script in question. 

 Watch  this interview with Nick Kouvalis of Campaign Research, in which he lays it out. He was talking about scripts too. An excerpt: "Campaign Research was hired by the party. Right? They produce a script. We know what the rules and regulations are, and the jurisdictions around the country.  We make sure that's within the rules. And then we deliver the script."  

Note:   The whole defence in the Cotler-call controversy was  that these robocall firms were just calling people with the words the Conservative party supplied to them. If someone went off script, well, that wasn't the fault  of Campaign Research or the party. 

So. What we need to see now is the script that the Conservative Party supplied to Responsive  Marketing Group. The party was able to produce one for the Cotler calls controversy; I'm assuming it has the one supplied to this firm too. In fact,  let's see the scripts the Conservatives wrote for all the call centres. If it's all true information, it shouldn't be a problem, right? 

 

[capricorn]

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[olpfan1]

OLP, take note.

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Actually, I think you would benefit from reading all the rules of the forum.

oh how cute, you are butt hurt.. are we hurting your feelings?

if you are offended, report me

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[capricorn]

oh how cute, you are butt hurt.. are we hurting your feelings?

if you are offended, report me

What? You're speaking for the whole forum now?

[olpfan1]

What? You're speaking for the whole forum now?

it seems like you are offended at the thought the cpc are involved in this despite getting caught

for doing similar things

[madmax]

It's likely true that there was confusion over the polling location as often happens, E.C. changes the poll or the voter cards get printed incorrectly, it happens. So it's likely true that the campaign office tried to rectify that with more incorrect information, but not to deliberately confuse voters. But, that will be spun of course as something nefarious, those who've worked on a campaign will know how such things happen.

All we have so far unverified statements of what they think they remember, so again there's no hard evidence about anything... I await facts.

Mike Duffy is partisan of course but his theory isn't off the wall IMO, I think there is more to this than meets the eye. The problem now is that the media and the opposition have a done a very good job at framing the narrative so no matter how innocent the party is, or proven to be, it will not be believed.

Possible Third Parties G & M

I think the Conservatives are in huge shit..

[Shakeyhands]

It's funny watching some trying to twist and turn out of this. Again, I would think that everyone, from Harper to Joe Blow, would want to get to the bottom of this and hold those responsible for their actions.

[PIK]

Harper is to smart for BS like this, it is someone that did it without the knowledge of the party or the left did it and when you look at rae's backround ,this has his prints all over it, Rae is all about bringing down goverments without a election. His history is full of it,that what he does.

[Newfoundlander]

Harper is to smart for BS like this, it is someone that did it without the knowledge of the party or the left did it and when you look at rae's backround ,this has his prints all over it, Rae is all about bringing down goverments without a election. His history is full of it,that what he does.

So these calls were all made up and actually never happened?

[olpfan1]

Harper is to smart for BS like this, it is someone that did it without the knowledge of the party or the left did it and when you look at rae's backround ,this has his prints all over it, Rae is all about bringing down goverments without a election. His history is full of it,that what he does.

was he too smart getting caught during the in & out scandal?

what about irwin cotlers attack? they all admitted to that and thought it was okay

arent they the government who said it should be legal

to report false information?

[Jack Weber]

This could get interesting.... and this ought to sufficiently piss off Argus viz. the power of judges.

If this goes bad for the Conservatives,waych for the "Activist Judges" canard to be thrown around...

[scribblet]

Well, it's not looking good for the Liberals right now as it was a Liberal staffer (who's been fired) behind the Vikileaks account. Who knows what else they were getting up to ... hmmm the shadow knows

[Jack Weber]

I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be a scheme by the liberals or NDP. We have already seen their contempt of the electoral process when they overthrew a democratically elected government forcing weary Canadians to the polls in their lust for power. It's possible they saw the conservatives polling well and decided on a last ditch attempt to try to bully their way into power against the will of the electorate. I would love if this were the case as it would likely mean another decade or more of conservative rule.

Reports of calls from the US? Well we know which party leader had significant ties to the US... Better start packing up Iggy, we're onto you.

Polls were indicating that the liberals would be obliterated... they were certainly the party with nothing to lose from pulling this stunt.

Erm...yeah...

[Guest Derek L]

Well, it's not looking good for the Liberals right now as it was a Liberal staffer (who's been fired) behind the Vikileaks account. Who knows what else they were getting up to ... hmmm the shadow knows

I just beat you by a matter of seconds in the other thread

Interesting update…….I too hope there is an investigation into the Robo calling

[Jack Weber]

Well, it's not looking good for the Liberals right now as it was a Liberal staffer (who's been fired) behind the Vikileaks account. Who knows what else they were getting up to ... hmmm the shadow knows

Of course that has nothing to do with a potentially rigged election...

Getting your topics mixed up a bit in a feeble attempt at a partsian drive by...Not so good..

[Jack Weber]

Yea sorry, i like to have evidence before i persecute people, maybe its that logical part of me that causes me to despise the likes of you.

Imagine! Evidence, pshaw.

Hey Pierre...

Please point out where I have convicted anyone before a trial takes place (assuming there's enough evidence to warrant one)???

Please,be specific...

[scribblet]

Of course that has nothing to do with a potentially rigged election...

Getting your topics mixed up a bit in a feeble attempt at a partsian drive by...Not so good..

It speaks to the issue of other parties being involved, not entirely off topic.