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[Topaz]

Right. There is as yet no definitive proof of the Government's wrongdoing, which means that it's all bulls***; except, just by the way, the NDP are probably responsible.

We don't know yet do we, but my speculation is maybe Eve Adams, new boyfriend, who is Dimtri Soudas. As I said I have no proof but the guy they accused work for her, Soudas, himself got into trouble over the port of Montreal and he got the experience in communication to be Pierre Poutine. Also, the couple got into a firy debate with CTV Dom Martin when all three were in a pub and Martin asked her what was she doing with Soudas, since he was/is married. Soudas got angry at the question and Martin and Soudas debate ended up for Soudas to say to Martin that he knew Martin boss and was going to report him and Martin said go ahead. Soudas said that Martin said bad things about his boss but a witness said that wasn't true.

[stopstaaron]

We don't know yet do we, but my speculation is maybe Eve Adams, new boyfriend, who is Dimtri Soudas. As I said I have no proof but the guy they accused work for her, Soudas, himself got into trouble over the port of Montreal and he got the experience in communication to be Pierre Poutine. Also, the couple got into a firy debate with CTV Dom Martin when all three were in a pub and Martin asked her what was she doing with Soudas, since he was/is married. Soudas got angry at the question and Martin and Soudas debate ended up for Soudas to say to Martin that he knew Martin boss and was going to report him and Martin said go ahead. Soudas said that Martin said bad things about his boss but a witness said that wasn't true.

I made the Soudas/Eve connection a month a go

but its nice to see people are starting to think critically

[capricorn]

I made the Soudas/Eve connection a month a go

It took you that long to make the connection? In fact, it's been public knowledge since Nov. 2011 that they're an item.

November 16, 2011

Eyebrows were raised at the Gold Medal Plates culinary event in Ottawa on Monday when the prime minister’s former director of communications, Dimitri Soudas, showed up with a surprise date.

Soudas was accompanied by rookie Conservative MP Eve Adams, of Mississauga — Brampton South.

Apparently, the two began dating several weeks ago, well after they both separated from their respective spouses.

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2011/11/16/former-pmo-d-comm-and-rising-conservative-star/

[stopstaaron]

It took you that long to make the connection? In fact, it's been public knowledge since Nov. 2011 that they're an item.

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2011/11/16/former-pmo-d-comm-and-rising-conservative-star/

Well I meant Soudas/Eve/Sona connection, I should have clarified

[SweetTreat80]

I joined because I'm curious what others have been thinking about the robo call scandal. My opinion is that of while they are only allegations against the Government that Harpers doing a REALLY good job of making himself look guilty if infact he isn't lol His story has changed so many times it's ridiculous. The fact of the matter is while still only allegations the Conservative Government is the #1 suspect not just by Canadians but considering Elections Canada's finding have linked RMG and Rack9 to the originating calls as well. Doesn't take a genius to suspect the Cons of being involved lol So considering they are number one suspect at the moment they should suspend parliament until the Investigation is complete, I mean Harper likes Proroguing it doesn't he? lol it would give elections Canada the incentive to work faster and Harper the incentive to give them the resources to do so if things can't commence in commons until the investigation is complete.

Oh yeah and real stupid of him to cut EC's funding by 7.5 million a yr over the next 2 years in the middle of an investigation in which his party is suspected of wrongdoing lol

Edited April 3, 2012 by SweetTreat80

[capricorn]

Oh yeah and real stupid of him to cut EC's funding by 7.5 million a yr over the next 2 years in the middle of an investigation in which his party is suspected of wrongdoing lol

Welcome to MLW Sweet.

This budgetary cut does not impact on EC's legislated ability to obtain whatever funding it needs to conduct investigations.

[Vendetta]

I'm sure the PM wouldn't get criticized at all if he went to the GG and requested parliament be prorogued for the duration of the EC investigation, even for such a noble cause as an investigation into what the geniuses in this country assume to be his own misconduct. Something tells me he has slightly more foresight than to do something like this. Elections Canada has the ability to do a very thorough investigation without the need to suspend parliament.

No legislation should be allowed to pass when the "majority" is the product of election fraud. These Conservatives are a disgusting blight on our democracy. We now know that they knew the costs of the F-35s were much higher than they told Canadians during the election campaign, and they chose to lie about the costs during the campaign. More contempt of the Canadian people. Disgusting lying crooks.

[PIK]

No legislation should be allowed to pass when the "majority" is the product of election fraud. These Conservatives are a disgusting blight on our democracy. We now know that they knew the costs of the F-35s were much higher than they told Canadians during the election campaign, and they chose to lie about the costs during the campaign. More contempt of the Canadian people. Disgusting lying crooks.

More BS just like the robo calls, the only party guilty of anything right now is the liberals(vikileaks). And the comp trouble during the NDP convention, tells me that some NDP'er tried to disrupt mulcair from winning, which to me sound like they are involved in the robo calls. And the F-35, heads swill roll and harper will clean it up. Still to much of the chretien liberal bureaucracy left in the halls of goverment,once he clears out that blight, things will improve.

[Spiderfish]

No legislation should be allowed to pass when the "majority" is the product of election fraud.

No election fraud has been found yet, so even if your point had merit, which it doesn't, it's baseless anyhow. It's already been determined that if there was fraud, it would not have effected the outcome of the election. Make no mistake, if the Conservatives are ever found to have had a part in this, they will be held accountable.

[Topaz]

If you read the comments at the end of the following article some Canadians think CSSIS know who it is but not saying. The fact that the Tories are the only ones that hired RackNine and the calls went through there, common sense would say, Tories. http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/29/pierre-poutine-made-6700-robocalls-in-guelph-on-election-day-using-450-number/?__lsa=cf24732b

[cybercoma]

It's already been determined that if there was fraud, it would not have effected the outcome of the election

In your own biased opinion maybe. Back in reality, nothing has been determined yet.

[cybercoma]

If you read the comments at the end of the following article some Canadians think CSSIS know who it is but not saying. The fact that the Tories are the only ones that hired RackNine and the calls went through there, common sense would say, Tories. http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/29/pierre-poutine-made-6700-robocalls-in-guelph-on-election-day-using-450-number/?__lsa=cf24732b

CSIS does not conduct domestic investigations.

[Spiderfish]

nothing has been determined yet.

EXACTLY!

[Smallc]

CSIS does not conduct domestic investigations.

They don't?

[cybercoma]

They don't?

I thought they didn't, but I just looked into it and I was mistaken.

[Shakeyhands]

It's already been determined that if there was fraud, it would not have effected the outcome of the election.

According to whom?

[PIK]

The cons can't do a thing without info being leaked and the longer this goes on,IMO the cons are not behind it or otherwise it would have been leaked already. Just like the raid on thier offices and the CBC was already there when the EC people showed up.

[Spiderfish]

According to whom?

Elections Canada.

Elections Canada recieved 700 complaints

[Shakeyhands]

Elections Canada.

Elections Canada recieved 700 complaints

Perhaps you can point your claim out in the article, I sure couldn't find it.

[capricorn]

No legislation should be allowed to pass when the "majority" is the product of election fraud. These Conservatives are a disgusting blight on our democracy.

Did you even listen to Marc Mayrand's testimony before the House Committee? Or read the media reports? Here is what the Chief Electoral Officer said when he was asked whether he stands by the election results, which he ratified after the 2011 general election.

Conservative MP John Williamson (New Brunswick Southwest, N.B.) asked whether Mr. Mayrand stood by his certification of the election results in all 308 federal ridings, to which he responded, “Absolutely, unless the courts determine otherwise, I certified those writs, they were returned and I stand by those certifications as we speak.”

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2012/04/02/elections-act-%E2%80%98should-be-improved%E2%80%99-chief-electoral-officer-mayrand-tells-house/30281?page_requested=2

Ultimately, he said he stands behind the certified results of the last federal election in which the Conservatives won a majority government.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/29/robocalls-undermines-democracy-mayrand

A bit more of a question mark hangs over the last election. Mayrand, in his testimony to the committee on Thursday, said he still stands by the official election results, but he didn’t rule out the possibility that the robo-calls investigation may conclude the system was indeed compromised in some ridings. Criminal charges may result — maybe even by-elections.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1154387--delacourt-a-bigger-problem-than-man-vs-machine

At this point, no one knows if any by-elections will be held. No one will know until the investigation is complete and if any court action will come as a result. Another thing no one knows is, even if by-elections were held in a few ridings, whether the by-election results would be any different than in the general election.

We now know that they knew the costs of the F-35s were much higher than they told Canadians during the election campaign, and they chose to lie about the costs during the campaign. More contempt of the Canadian people. Disgusting lying crooks.

Again, do you bother educating yourself with the facts, or are you simply content spewing anti-Conservative slogans?

Department of National Defence officials twisted government rules, misled ministers and Parliament, and whitewashed cost overruns and delays in a determined effort to ensure Canada purchased the F-35 stealth fighter jet.

Auditor-General Michael Ferguson’s scathing assessment, released today, puts the military’s own cost estimates for Canada’s involvement at $25 billion — instead of the publicly stated $16 billion — and questions assertions that Canadian industry stands to benefit from $12 billion in contracts.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/03/defence-officials-misled-ministers-in-f-35-fighter-jet-whitewash-auditor-general/

Ferguson said the military has understated the full life-cycle costs to support the government's decision to purchase the stealth fighters.

"The Department did not provide Parliament with complete cost information, or fully inform decision makers about the risks of this program," he explained, Tuesday. "We found weaknesses in the execution of the processes, we found weaknesses in the risk mitigation strategies that National Defence had, and also in the financial information."

He believes a fair competition was not held and the Department of National Defence had taken steps to make sure the F-35s were the only choice available, while making key decisions behind the government's back and without their approval. He said the DND was aware of the rising costs and risks but kept the information to itself for a four-year period.

The auditor general is also slamming the Public Works department, which is supposed to ensure all DND procedures are done by the book, The report says it endorsed the sole sourcing of the jet, taking Defence at its word, and then neglected to check and see if the rules were followed.

http://www.680news.com/news/national/article/347812--auditor-general-slams-defence-department-for-not-revealing-full-fighter-jet-costs

[stopstaaron]

yo capricorn they already launched 7 ridings for court (to get by elections) so there is court action

Edited April 4, 2012 by stopstaaron

[capricorn]

yo capricorn they already launched 7 ridings for court (to get by elections) so there is court action

Yes, one court action by the Council of Canadians citing 7 ridings. Clearly, I was addressing potential court action resulting from the EC investigation. The Council of Canadians court action is not a result of said investigation.

[Spiderfish]

Perhaps you can point your claim out in the article, I sure couldn't find it.

I was mistaken, the number of complaints have gone up to 800 over 200 ridings.

'Robocalls' reached voters in 200 ridings: Elections Canada

It seems logical to conclude that 800 votes over 200 ridings (an average of 4 votes per riding) would have minimal impact on the overall results. Or are you suggesting that we discount the results of 200 ridings?

At this point, I don't care what they do, I'm tired of listening to it. I am willing to give Elections Canada a chance to complete their work on this matter, but I realize that many on this board find that incomprehensible. I hope they find who was involved in this fraudulent behavior and prosecute them to the fullest extent, regardless of what side of the house they sit on. There are many people who will not be happy until the election results are completely dismissed, a re-election be held, and Harper be hanged from the nearest tree. If that's what our political system has been diminished to, I hold little hope for the future of our political system.

[Shakeyhands]

I was mistaken, the number of complaints have gone up to 800 over 200 ridings.

'Robocalls' reached voters in 200 ridings: Elections Canada

It seems logical to conclude that 800 votes over 200 ridings (an average of 4 votes per riding) would have minimal impact on the overall results. Or are you suggesting that we discount the results of 200 ridings?

At this point, I don't care what they do, I'm tired of listening to it. I am willing to give Elections Canada a chance to complete their work on this matter, but I realize that many on this board find that incomprehensible. I hope they find who was involved in this fraudulent behavior and prosecute them to the fullest extent, regardless of what side of the house they sit on. There are many people who will not be happy until the election results are completely dismissed, a re-election be held, and Harper be hanged from the nearest tree. If that's what our political system has been diminished to, I hold little hope for the future of our political system.

Hey listen, I was just trying to find out where EC claimed that if there was fraud that it wouldn't have affected the outcome... that's it. I see that no one has said that now. Thank you.

[Spiderfish]

Hey listen, I was just trying to find out where EC claimed that if there was fraud that it wouldn't have affected the outcome... that's it. I see that no one has said that now. Thank you.

Are you suggesting that it may have affected the outcome?