MandaTORY Minimum Sentences Do Not Work

[PIK]

Has crime gone down or is it they are not busting people as much anymore, there is crime everywhere that does not get reported.

[olpfan1]

Has crime gone down or is it they are not busting people as much anymore, there is crime everywhere that does not get reported.

Particulary in Ottawa

25,000 dollar fine for the in and out scandal

if harpers serious about law breakers I don't see it

Edited February 23, 2012 by olpfan1

[cybercoma]

I can't see it going terribly far; it seems unconstitutional for a couple of reasons: One, it mandates punnishments with a severity that doesn't match that of the crime; this was noted by a judge in a recent gun crime case. Two, it is a federal law that requires provincial governments to spend money they didn't agree to spend. Why the latter hasn't been the basis for a court case yet, I can't understand.

Can a bill be challenged before it's passed? That might answer the latter, if they can't that is.

Edited February 23, 2012 by cybercoma

[dre]

And

To me this sounds like the mother of all Mandatory sentences

To me it looks like hes just making fun of your various absurd positions.

[dre]

Has crime gone down or is it they are not busting people as much anymore, there is crime everywhere that does not get reported.

Im comfortable with the ammount of crime. Obviously having no crime would be ideal but you could spend our entire GDP on that and never achieve it. I feel like I am safe enough, and dont want to spend more money to be a bit safer.

The Canadian government is doing their damn best to turn me into a libertarian. Iv never been very supportive of a micharchist adgenda, but when every single thing our government does is stupid and harmful, the idea of a small and highly limited government is starting to appeal to me.

Edited February 23, 2012 by dre

[g_bambino]

Can a bill be challenged before it's passed? That might answer the latter, if they can't that is.

A reference question can be put to the Supreme Court by a government asking if a bill is constitutional, though the court's ruling is not binding (though, no government has so far ignored an answer to a reference question). Still, because of that recent gun crime case wherein the judge struck down the mandatory sentence prescribed as unconstitutional, I mistakenly thought the bill in question here had already been passed.

[ironstone]

Bill C-10 must be stopped. It's going to be one of the most damaging pieces of legislation passed in a generation. Sterling was one of the people in the US that helped draft mandatory minimum legislation in the 1980s. He supported it and has seen first-hand that it does not work, but rather causes more damage. The Tories need to scrap the Omnibus Crime Bill (C-10) along with their intrusive online spying bill (C-30).

Would you be in favour of more prisons if Harper promised to build more of those rather nice bungalow/cottage style prisons?

[cybercoma]

Would you be in favour of more prisons if Harper promised to build more of those rather nice bungalow/cottage style prisons?

When did I say I wasn't in favour of more prisons? As the population grows, we will undoubtedly need more prisons.

[eyeball]

Would you be in favour of more prisons if Harper promised to build more of those rather nice bungalow/cottage style prisons?

I'd rather he build more hospitals instead of overcrowding prisons with mentally ill people.

[g_bambino]

Would you be in favour of more prisons if Harper promised to build more of those rather nice bungalow/cottage style prisons?

It isn't just more federal prisons that would be required.

[eyeball]

To me it looks like hes just making fun of your various absurd positions.

To be honest though it does seem Harper is as soft as anyone on moral turpitude, for the moment at least.

I wonder if anyone has tracked whether the mere suggestion of being subjected to online surveillance by the state has deterred people from surfing porn? If it has it probably bodes well for the states development of future moral engineering projects.

For all we know the brave face Canadians are putting on and effectively declaring to be with the child pornographers masks a populace that is more suggestible and malleable to the will of the state than the state thinks. That said I often get the sense that even if Harper himself were caught buggering some kid he'd still be able to count on at least 12.5% of the electorate to vote for him.

[huh]

A child molester in prison is unlikely to offend again as long as they stay there, mandatory sentences can work, but not in the case of things like pot that shouldn't be illegal to begin with.

[punked]

A child molester in prison is unlikely to offend again as long as they stay there, mandatory sentences can work, but not in the case of things like pot that shouldn't be illegal to begin with.

You know under the new law passed by the CONSERVATIVES pedophiles on average will go to jail for less time then those growing 6 pot plants right? Please don't paint these mandatory minimums all with one brush.

[cybercoma]