bud Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 a transparent attempt to manipulate the issue and rationalize the curtailing of democratic freedoms. can't possibly be that canadians just believe the state should not have a free hand to ride rough shod over the charter. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
cybercoma Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest? Quote
bud Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest? his privacy? what did i miss? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
cybercoma Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Also, SUN is saying that the Conservatives are now backpedaling on the bill. Quote
dre Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 a transparent attempt to manipulate the issue and rationalize the curtailing of democratic freedoms. can't possibly be that canadians just believe the state should not have a free hand to ride rough shod over the charter. The government is trying to use the internet as a way to grease up the slippery slope. When communications were by mail, or by phone it was hard for them to justify this kind of big brother activity. But with the internet theres some high profile and emotional crimes involved, and theyre taking another crack at it. And its more than just this one law, and its more than just Canada. Governments are uncomfortable with having such a huge hole in their vision, especially since social networking is turning into such a political force. You can kiss the free internet good bye. Its just a matter of time. Theyll keep trotting out high profile crime, copyright enforcement, national security etc as reasons to lock things down and its a forgone conclusion that eventually they will be able to control the medium, and regulate and monitor the content. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
scribblet Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest? Now that I agree with - well said. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
waldo Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest? no - absolutely none at all. Nothing is more emblematic and more representative of a possible privacy invasion than to showcase a very profile invasion of Toews's own privacy. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) no - absolutely none at all. Nothing is more emblematic and more representative of a possible privacy invasion than to showcase a very profile invasion of Toews's own privacy. If you're vehemently against invasion of privacy, why would you revel in the invasion of someone's privacy? It doesn't make sense. The bill is terrible and while I can't say I don't derive some sort of schadenfreude about what's happening to Vic Toews here, but it's incredibly hypocritical to engage in the behaviour you're protesting. Edited February 16, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Posted February 16, 2012 his privacy? what did i miss? nothing, the info was open to the public no privacy was tampered with bleeding hearts will be bleeding hearts Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest? Not if the vicious irony gets the point across. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
msj Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest? If the tweets are to be believed then there is no invasion of his privacy. The tweets are allegedly based on documents related to his separation/divorce which are, apparently, available to the public. If true then TFB for him. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Sa'adoni Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) If the tweets are to be believed then there is no invasion of his privacy. The tweets are allegedly based on documents related to his separation/divorce which are, apparently, available to the public. If true then TFB for him. The problem is that this bill will only force communications underground further, and only stupid people will be effected by it, it will do nothing to go after the smart people. step 1 make up cypher text with all your friends step 2 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ this is a basic solution there are far more effective systems. There are so many wifi hotspots in existence people who don't want to be caught won't. The bill doesn't go far enough to actually be an effective bill. The only thing this bill is good for is letting police snoop on stupid people who don't know how to make their communications unintelligible. I will have to start sending porn in my emails just to keep police busy. That and writing in bad Chinese and Russian. This bill is like buying a pee shooter to take down a tank. Please please please don't tell CPC MP's are this stupid and technologically inept to propose such weak legislation. I will only say it one more time, this bill is only useful for snooping and malicious activities and doesn't address professional pedo ring technologies. Also I am deeply in doubt that there are enough pedos out there to legitimize a complete hardware overhall of Canada's networking infrastructure. I really have no clue but I find it hard to believe there are more than a handful of people who get off on sexually abusing children, it just don't make sense. I find it hard to believe that is the real aim of the bill. The bill however does not bring forward a real solution. It is not good enough to stop evasive transmissions. They need to ban cryptography and other measures before this bill even begins to approach an open net architecture for anyone but the most unintelligent of Canada's population. While these and further steps need to be taken, this is a pathetic bill that doesn't go far enough. The government could even make money licensing Reality TV programs if it took the right angle to a real warrentless monitoring bill. Put in a real life monitoring not via communications system clause and the option for people to sign up to a government sponsered broadcasting deal on CBC RadioCanada LIVE Edited February 16, 2012 by Sa'adoni Quote
cybercoma Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Not if the vicious irony gets the point across. Sorry, but I don't buy "the ends justify the means" type arguments. Quote
bjre Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 “He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.” That all political liars likes to say. So, if there is one criminal in the world, all people's freedom should be take away; all people should be treat just as the criminal. That's what western style "freedom" all about. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Topaz Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 I'm curious about the female that had Vic baby, she was a babysitter, right? Teenager? How young? This just shows his character and his attraction for young young females. Quote
guyser Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) I'm curious about the female that had Vic baby, she was a babysitter, right? Teenager? How young? This just shows his character and his attraction for young young females. You ask a question then speculate on the answer then condemn the guy? Weird. Edited February 16, 2012 by guyser Quote
msj Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Sorry, but I don't buy "the ends justify the means" type arguments. If the tweets are based on publicly available information then is that ok? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
scribblet Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) I'm curious about the female that had Vic baby, she was a babysitter, right? Teenager? How young? This just shows his character and his attraction for young young females. Sheez, speculation, innuendo and gutter gossip, show the proof that she was a teenager etc. and not gutter sniping tweets Edited February 16, 2012 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Guest Manny Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Sheez, speculation, innuendo and gutter gossip, show the proof that she was a teenager etc. and not gutter sniping tweets “He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.” - Vic Toews. Is that not gutter sniping enough for you? Quote
scribblet Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 “He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.” - Vic Toews. Is that not gutter sniping enough for you? Considering the hyperbole and distortions coming from the opposition he replied in kind... Provide proof other than twits that a teenager was involved. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
The_Squid Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 words: “Marriage is one of the cornerstones upon which our society has been built.” Vic Toews 7/24/2002 Actions: Knocks up babysitter.... stops paying child support.... Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 Considering the hyperbole and distortions coming from the opposition he replied in kind... Provide proof other than twits that a teenager was involved. You know Scribb, this whole issue was as predictable as dawn's light! I'm starting to wonder if there's more to it. Vic is the front man and he's the one who caused all the blowback. Perhaps he was given enough rope? Maybe Harper needed an excuse to clip his wings and that of the social conservatives in the party who support Vic's kind of thinking. Or am I reading too much into it? Harper has always been pretty sharp. I can't believe he didn't see the backlash coming... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olpfan1 Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Considering the hyperbole and distortions coming from the opposition he replied in kind... Provide proof other than twits that a teenager was involved. you want a rhetoric war, you've got one Edited February 16, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
cybercoma Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 If the tweets are based on publicly available information then is that ok? It's not hypocritical, but it certainly isn't ok. The personal attacks are unnecessary. The criticisms ought to be aimed at the legislation. Quote
Argus Posted February 16, 2012 Report Posted February 16, 2012 I'm curious about the female that had Vic baby, she was a babysitter, right? Teenager? How young? This just shows his character and his attraction for young young females. You mean he's heterosexual? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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