August1991 Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) Canada could face an Arab Spring-style "uprising" if the prime minister doesn't give a clear indication in his meeting with aboriginal leaders here today that he's prepared to take their concerns seriously, a B.C. native leader warns."We must do better. The honour of the Crown and the very integrity of Canada as a nation is at stake," said Stewart Phillip, grand chief of the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs, in a release issued Monday by the Assembly of First Nations' B.C. wing. "Otherwise, an aboriginal uprising is inevitable." Ottawa CitizenWhat nonsense is this? It's extortion. The Canadian State is a democratic federal regime with constitutional guarantees for minorities. It must stand up to this mob, mafia play. Edited January 24, 2012 by August1991 Quote
TwoDucks Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 An interesting choice of words, regime is. Honestly, if the First Nations don't feel their needs are being met, then I don't blame them for wanting to do something high profile. Wail all you like about extortion, I suppose, but the proposals to have guaranteed educational and housing funds doesn't seem like a horrid thing for the government to have to provide. Quote
Bryan Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 It's also a threat of sedition. Put him in prison, let's see his negotiating skills then. Quote
charter.rights Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 It is rebellion - something that the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples predicted when their report was released in 1996. If we do not work to correct Aboriginal injustices and find a way to reconcile with Aboriginal people on amiable terms RCAP suggests that rebellion and civil unrest will follow. There are lots of ways to stage a rebellion. Although some Aboriginal youth have taken the attitude that death might be an easier preference to the kinds of injustices they suffer every day and if they choose their death, they say will take those that make life unbearable with them. "It is a good day to die!" Tashunkala (Little Horse), SihaSapa Lakota Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Ottawa Citizen What nonsense is this? It's extortion. The Canadian State is a democratic federal regime with constitutional guarantees for minorities. It must stand up to this mob, mafia play. Well, now we know charter.rights's real name. All kidding aside, when the government fails to honour its Constitutional agreements and people's Rights, then an uprising is exactly what needs to happen. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 It's also a threat of sedition. Put him in prison, let's see his negotiating skills then. Under what law? Quote
TimG Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 What nonsense is this? It's extortion. The Canadian State is a democratic federal regime with constitutional guarantees for minorities. It must stand up to this mob, mafia play.Is the rhetoric any different from the OWS crowd? When people developed a misguided sense of entitlement they tend to threaten violance if they don't get what they want. Whether they would actually go through with it is an open question. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Is the rhetoric any different from the OWS crowd? When people developed a misguided sense of entitlement they tend to threaten violance if they don't get what they want. Whether they would actually go through with it is an open question. What entitlements are you talking about exactly? Clean water? Education? Quote
Bryan Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Under what law? An uprising being likened to the Arab Spring? Canadian Criminal Code Part II, 'Offences against Public Order'. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-46.html#sec46 Quote
TimG Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 What entitlements are you talking about exactly? Clean water? Education?If someone insists in living in the middle of no where they should expect that access to government services will be limited. Quote
scribblet Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Agree it's extortion, but but but... it's their treaty rights doncha know. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
scribblet Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Just read this, sounds like a good start. Our objective should be integration with Canada/Canadians as full and equal citizens, which will forge economic prosperity. http://www.winnipegsun.com/2012/01/23/reserves-no-longer-bound-by-indian-act-land-rules Two Manitoba reserves will soon begin a process to opt out of the land-related sections of the Indian Act, the federal government announced Monday. Opting out of the 34 sections will give the Long Plain and Buffalo Point reserves more control over their land and resources, the Tory government said in a news release. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
sharkman Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 They've been given lands, houses, money and the reins to govern and manage their people and property. Then we find that they can't take care of themselves very well. It's ridiculous if these 'nations' now want to start another round of protests. They would be starving without the goodwill of Canadians giving them the money they need every year. They can't sustain themselves, without our money they would die. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 If someone insists in living in the middle of no where they should expect that access to government services will be limited. That doesn't answer my question. What entitlements were you referring to? Quote
fellowtraveller Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 "The gathering provides the prime minister with an opportunity to demonstrate that he is a true Canadian" by making substantial commitments on education, health, governance and land claims, said Jody Wilson-Raybould, the AFN's regional chief in B.C."The world is watching." Jody has apparently overlooked the six billion dollars per year spent by DIAND on First Nations issues. An oversight, no doubt. I also wonder who might be the genius who thought that Harper or any PM was going to sit in front of 400 Chiefs, or 400 anybodys, for a week of being shat upon? Who was the genius who allows anybody at all to shoot off their mouths before an important negotaiting and PR session begins? It is a business deal and the First Nations need to upgrade their game dramatically. They could start by trimming down those 400 plane tickets and a week of food , drink and hotels. They could also get a spokeman, an articulate and disciplined spokesman to present their case forcefully and pointedly and consistently. Quote The government should do something.
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Jody has apparently overlooked the six billion dollars per year spent by DIAND on First Nations issues. Is $6 Billion per year too much? What are you comparing that to? Quote
PIK Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) And WTF is this native health centre , they have their own health care and look at the botton right corner and click on expansion ,look at the expansion we are building there. Can others use this or native only? http://www.wabano.com/ Edited January 24, 2012 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
g_bambino Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Is $6 Billion per year too much? Perhaps the immediate issue isn't the amount of money, but how it's being managed. Once handed off to the reserves, the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development doesn't seem to have much knowledge of what's being spent on what. Then again, the chiefs often seem highly reluctant to reveal how the money is used and regard federal government questioning on the matter as intrusive and demonstrative of a colonial attitude. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Is $6 Billion per year too much? What are you comparing that to? I'm comparing it to the statement of the AFN that was one cm above my comment. The CDN govt makes a 'signifcant contribution' right now, and has for a very long time. I did not coment on the relative worth of six billion. It is a lot of money spent specifically on a small number of people with results that are dreadful, shameful. I am not sure that spending another six billion or 10 billion or 20 billion annually would make much difference. There are many more issues here than just money, and the faults with the status quo. And that is what is most disappointing, that the discussion has not moved beyond the status quo: give us more money so we can keep doing the things you used to do to us, with the same results. Quote The government should do something.
CPCFTW Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Is $6 Billion per year too much? What are you comparing that to? Compare to $0 in tax revenue. Quote
CPCFTW Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 What entitlements are you talking about exactly? Clean water? Education? Yup those entitlements can be tough to pay for when you don't pay taxes or do anything productive. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Well, now we know charter.rights's real name. All kidding aside, when the government fails to honour its Constitutional agreements and people's Rights, then an uprising is exactly what needs to happen. So you're on the side of mercy and justice in law for criminals, but seem to be sanctioning sedition. If the first NATIONS as a nation attack my country it would be war, nor an uprising. Quote
guyser Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 Compare to $0 in tax revenue. They have some exemptions but your post is inaccurate. Quote
Tilter Posted January 24, 2012 Report Posted January 24, 2012 An uprising being likened to the Arab Spring? Canadian Criminal Code Part II, 'Offences against Public Order'. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-46.html#sec46 I guess the 'Offences against Public Order'. act was discontinued during the G20?The participants in that riot think so. Quote
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