cybercoma Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 Gerald Caplan tells us why Muclair should be the next leader of the NDP, arguing how he stands out from the pack and why it's important that he and not someone else wins the nomination. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/gerald-caplan/why-mulcair-should-be-the-next-ndp-leader/article2371280/page1/ Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 There definitely is an environment being created that could be ripe for a whole host of problems. Mulcair will have some work to do to make sure the party is behind him. People like Libby Davies are probably having strokes over the possibility of a Mulcair NDP. I use her name because she I think definitely is the face of the radical left in that party. Less of Libby and more of...ya'know...Sanity???...That would be a good thing... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
WLDB Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 I voted for Topp with Nathan Cullen as my second choice. Quote "History doesn't repeat itself-at best it sometimes rhymes"-Mark Twain
Newfoundlander Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Posted March 16, 2012 Looks like Stephen Harper may win. http://powerplayblog.ctv.ca/post/And-the-NDP-convention-winner-isStephen-Harper.aspx#comment Quote
cybercoma Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 Looks like Stephen Harper may win. http://powerplayblog.ctv.ca/post/And-the-NDP-convention-winner-isStephen-Harper.aspx#comment There has always been a rift in the NDP. Since the very beginning, there were always democratic socialists whining about the social democrats having too much sway. The Waffle movement tried to turn the NDP into a communist party, but were thoroughly rebuked by the party brass. The NDP is not a communist party. If those elements of team orange have a problem with that, they can always turn to the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada. Quote
WLDB Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 There has always been a rift in the NDP. Since the very beginning, there were always democratic socialists whining about the social democrats having too much sway. The Waffle movement tried to turn the NDP into a communist party, but were thoroughly rebuked by the party brass. The NDP is not a communist party. If those elements of team orange have a problem with that, they can always turn to the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada. You can say that about pretty much every party. The Liberals had the Chretien/Martin divide, which may still be divided. The Conservatives have the PC elements as well as the old Alliance. Of course those divisions likely wont make themselves known til after Harper steps down. Quote "History doesn't repeat itself-at best it sometimes rhymes"-Mark Twain
cybercoma Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 They've already begun rearing their ugly head in the Conservative caucus. You have guys like Trost and Woodworth trying to reopen the abortion debate. If he was smart, Harper will distance himself from that mess. Quote
Smallc Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 They've already begun rearing their ugly head in the Conservative caucus. You have guys like Trost and Woodworth trying to reopen the abortion debate. If he was smart, Harper will distance himself from that mess. If Harper's smart, he'll simply continue to say that the debate won't be reopened, and pretty much ignore the crazies. Quote
WLDB Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 If Harper's smart, he'll simply continue to say that the debate won't be reopened, and pretty much ignore the crazies. I imagine thats what he will do. We know he's fairly socially conservative but he knows that stuff wont fly with with most people. Quote "History doesn't repeat itself-at best it sometimes rhymes"-Mark Twain
WWWTT Posted March 16, 2012 Report Posted March 16, 2012 Looks like Stephen Harper may win. http://powerplayblog.ctv.ca/post/And-the-NDP-convention-winner-isStephen-Harper.aspx#comment Sounds like wishfull thinking! However it is possible that if Mulcair wins the conservatives will revert back to their anti Quebec propaganda that they are famous for.This will ultimately solidify the NDP support in Quebec.Aswell many other Canadians will be very turned off to see a federalist party picking on French Canada so much so that many Ontario/Atlantic/Manitoba/Saskatchewan/BC voters could send a strong message to the conservatives! Sounds like the conservatives are getting worried. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Newfoundlander Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Posted March 17, 2012 Sounds like wishfull thinking! However it is possible that if Mulcair wins the conservatives will revert back to their anti Quebec propaganda that they are famous for.This will ultimately solidify the NDP support in Quebec.Aswell many other Canadians will be very turned off to see a federalist party picking on French Canada so much so that many Ontario/Atlantic/Manitoba/Saskatchewan/BC voters could send a strong message to the conservatives! Sounds like the conservatives are getting worried. WWWTT Yeah I'm sure Western Canada and Atlantic Canada are going to feel really sorry for Quebec. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 Yeah I'm sure Western Canada and Atlantic Canada are going to feel really sorry for Quebec. If the conservatives try to resurect a buried threat from the past Canadians may not be very forgiving. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Jack Weber Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 If Harper's smart, he'll simply continue to say that the debate won't be reopened, and pretty much ignore the crazies. I agree,and if Mulcair or Cullen win,they would do their very best telling the crazies to find the hammer and sickle that suits them best somewhere else...Or to shut up... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Newfoundlander Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Posted March 17, 2012 If the conservatives try to resurect a buried threat from the past Canadians may not be very forgiving. WWWTT What is their anti Quebec propaganda anyways? Quote
Smallc Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) I agree,and if Mulcair or Cullen win,they would do their very best telling the crazies to find the hammer and sickle that suits them best somewhere else...Or to shut up... Pretty much, yep. Edit: Just to clarify, I wasn't saying that simply being against abortion makes someone crazy. Edited March 17, 2012 by Smallc Quote
UofGPolitico Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 Broadbent with his tirade against Mulcair may help Cullen more than anyone. If Broadbent changes anyone's minds of Mulcair, they are more likely to go to Cullen, but Topp. Broadbent really made a fool of himself yesterday, IMO. His strategy is more likely to backfire, than be successful. Quote
Evening Star Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 I'm not sure how many Mulcair supporters are going to change their minds over the opinion of someone who led the party in the 80s. I know I won't. Quote
WLDB Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 I'm not sure how many Mulcair supporters are going to change their minds over the opinion of someone who led the party in the 80s. I know I won't. He was the most successful leader before Layton so that helps a bit. Plus he endorsed Jack Layton for the leadership when he was pretty much unknown outside of Toronto and that went over well. Quote "History doesn't repeat itself-at best it sometimes rhymes"-Mark Twain
Evening Star Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) He was the most successful leader before Layton so that helps a bit. Plus he endorsed Jack Layton for the leadership when he was pretty much unknown outside of Toronto and that went over well. I'm fully aware of Broadbent's importance, historically. I'm just not sure that this is going to persuade many Mulcair supporters. Edited March 17, 2012 by Evening Star Quote
WWWTT Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 What is their anti Quebec propaganda anyways? Are you kidding me? Up until several years ago the reform/aliance support was pivatol on their anti Quebec stance! And after the last election with only 5 Quebec seats there could be a strong desire from the conservatives to gravitate towards their traditional ways.Expecialy if the polls continue to show the NDP eating away their support in Manitoba/Sask./BC! And if Mulcair becomes the NDP leader then the fruit of the old reform ways will be too tempting for the conservatives to resist! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 I'm fully aware of Broadbent's importance, historically. I'm just not sure that this is going to persuade many Mulcair supporters. If Mulcair cannot win on the first ballot then this can be a serious game changer! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 I am personaly against the mail in ballot and on line voting! All voting should be done on the floor. Perhaps real time on-line voting should be allowed to co-incide with the on floor voting. But ultimately the NDP members should be forced to wait until the final weekend to make up their mind as to whom the best candidate should be! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Newfoundlander Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Posted March 17, 2012 Are you kidding me? Up until several years ago the reform/aliance support was pivatol on their anti Quebec stance! And after the last election with only 5 Quebec seats there could be a strong desire from the conservatives to gravitate towards their traditional ways.Expecialy if the polls continue to show the NDP eating away their support in Manitoba/Sask./BC! And if Mulcair becomes the NDP leader then the fruit of the old reform ways will be too tempting for the conservatives to resist! WWWTT So you're talking about Preston Manning basically. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 So you're talking about Preston Manning basically. Yes and the province of Alberta!Among others too. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wild Bill Posted March 17, 2012 Report Posted March 17, 2012 Are you kidding me? Up until several years ago the reform/aliance support was pivatol on their anti Quebec stance! And after the last election with only 5 Quebec seats there could be a strong desire from the conservatives to gravitate towards their traditional ways.Expecialy if the polls continue to show the NDP eating away their support in Manitoba/Sask./BC! And if Mulcair becomes the NDP leader then the fruit of the old reform ways will be too tempting for the conservatives to resist! WWWTT Once again you spout propaganda against something non-leftwing that is totally bogus! Either you are too young to have lived in those times or you simply think in cartoons and caricatures. Reform was never anti-Quebec! True, the party and many members did disagree with any perceived special deals and treatment for Quebec but they had absolutely no problem with Quebec wanting more rights as a province, as long as all other provinces received the same. To a Reformer, Quebec's resentment of Ottawa was always perfectly understandable. Canada began as a confederation of provinces. Somewhere along the way, the federal government assumed more and more control. It couldn't go against the Constitution with things like education and medicare so it did an end run by using money! It could create a national education program in the name of "equality" that would hold out huge sums of money. A province would be unable to resist and like a fish on a line would be hooked. Once it took the federal funding it was caught like an addict to its supplier. So the federal government now intrudes into many areas that are really none of its business. Quebec had every right to complain. Reform always supported the original Constitutional arrangement of Canada and was very much in favour of provincial rights. Both Alberta and Quebec shared many of the same concerns. Reformers were always strongly against separatism but still championed the right of any province to choose to go its own way. The only real beef Reformers supposedly held against Quebec was actually against both the PCs and the Liberals for in effect trying to bribe Quebec with huge sums of federal money and special powers of language, education and immigration that were not also given to every other province. Hell, the Reformers and the BQ regularly had pancake breakfasts and hockey games together between their MPs in Ottawa! I hardly think they would have gotten along that well if your claim of anti-Quebec feeling from Reform was true! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
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