Should Canada Accept Gay Refugees?

sharkman · January 6, 2012

No they went because the previous generation of politicians botched the conclusion of WW1. WW1 of course happened because the previous generation of politicians...see where I'm going with this?

Now, can you show me any example of a spontaneous call to arms arising out of the blue from the ranks of the common man on either side in these or any other great war?

I do believe if Hitler came along today it would have to be a miracle or a result of time travel.

Please stop with the silly ghost of Hitler rhetoric and get a grip.

You know what? Maybe I'm not as sure as I thought. Perhaps the difference between you and me in this case is that I hold a dimmer view of present day Canadians, and you expect more of them while holding a dimmer view of politicians, and who can blame you.

Maybe when an opportunity to do noble things is thrust upon someone today they will be equal to the task, be they a citizen or a politician.

cybercoma · January 6, 2012

Nice to see a PM willing to call a spade a spade here.

Propaganda and hyperbole. That's all this is.

stnslittlehelper@ · January 6, 2012

It is important to make a city where they can go until they become Canadian. Like in BC or vancouver island and send them all to the same place to work as fisher men and lumberjacks or some other professional. It could be called SodomVille. It could be a social experiment. The great gaytown. Establish an interior decorating school and have grecoroman wrestling as a main team sport for the place.

You could even charge an entry fee for non gay refugees to make some money on gay visitations and people who have never used a male prostitute.

Edited January 6, 2012 by stnslittlehelper@

eyeball · January 7, 2012

Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. In other words, there's no way to predict the future, so it's hard to lay the blame for WWII at the feet of those who put together the Treaty of Versailles.

If we're pretty sure politicians are as full of crap today as they seem to be it stands to reason there's a good chance they've been that way for a long time. It comes with the territory. Hindsight in that light is even more reliable. Further to that why shouldn't I apply the lessons learned from the previous calls to arms that suspect politicians made and eye with suspicion any calls to arms they make now and in the future?

I suppose I could stop tarring all politicians with the same brush but I'd need to see systems of accountability and transparency that would make Orwell blush before I could even begin contemplating that.

As for appeals to God and the Crown, fuhgeddaboudit.

Edited January 7, 2012 by eyeball

eyeball · January 7, 2012

You know what? Maybe I'm not as sure as I thought. Perhaps the difference between you and me in this case is that I hold a dimmer view of present day Canadians, and you expect more of them while holding a dimmer view of politicians, and who can blame you.

Maybe when an opportunity to do noble things is thrust upon someone today they will be equal to the task, be they a citizen or a politician.

I certainly wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to be a politician.

guyser · January 7, 2012

You could even charge an entry fee for non gay refugees to make some money on gay visitations and people who have never used a male prostitute.

So...they would let you in free.

Edited January 7, 2012 by guyser

Scotty · January 7, 2012

Are we brave enough to accept refugees who don't have the same rights we guarantee to our own citizens ? Absolutely we are.

Only because very few of them reach here. If tens of millions of them did show up, then what?

Allow all gays who are discriminated against in their home countries? Tens of millions? And how can you even prove they're gay?

What else? Allow all women who are persecuted in their own barbaric countries? All two billion of them?

Already, huge numbers of our so-called refugees are nothing of the sort, unless you count economic refugees. The mere fact that so many of them travel home on repeated visits indicates they never had any real fear of persecution.

Scotty · January 7, 2012

You know what else, I'm willing to bet someone that was saved from death and torture because Canada accepted him/her with open arms would be much more willing to fight and die for this country than someone that was born and raised in this country, spoiled by its gifts.

Perhaps I missed the news stories of all the refugees lining up to join the military....

Scotty · January 7, 2012

I suspect that Arab gays out of the closet in Montreal don't go home to Tunis or even Beirut unless the closet door is closed. Bryan, whaddya think?

Why? Do you think they'll be executed as soon as anyone knows they're gay? Didn't Irshad Manji do an in-person interview with the spiritual head of Hamas in the territories?

Scotty · January 7, 2012

Think of how gays were treated in the US military with hazings and abuse, which the brass would turn a blind eye to. Imagine that, only worse, but service in the military is required of you.

You forget the videos of the hazings ordinary guys underwent in the Canadian Airborn Regiment?

Young guys are dunmbasses. You need discipline and intelligence at the top then you don't have to worry about hazing.

guyser · January 7, 2012

Already, huge numbers of our so-called refugees are nothing of the sort, unless you count economic refugees. The mere fact that so many of them travel home on repeated visits indicates they never had any real fear of persecution.

Sigh.....Consider we take only 10-12,000 a year, and almost all of them screened, what huge numbers are you talking about? Twenty? Thirty? Woah....huge!!

Uh.....none of them travel home if they are a refugee unless the country they return to visit has undergone a major upheaval for the better.

Scotty · January 7, 2012

THat was my point, I don't know how it could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Ask John Baird to check em out!

Scotty · January 7, 2012

Sigh.....Consider we take only 10-12,000 a year, and almost all of them screened, what huge numbers are you talking about? Twenty? Thirty? Woah....huge!!

Uh.....none of them travel home if they are a refugee unless the country they return to visit has undergone a major upheaval for the better.

Canada accepts closer to 30,000 refugees per year, and for the most part, they have few or no documents identifying them. We generally accept their word about who they are and what happened to them. In fact, in Ottawa, it emerged that a number of the so-called Somalian refugees were actually Kenyan. We couldn't tell them apart, you see.

And many do travel home repeatedly for visits.

guyser · January 7, 2012

Canada accepts closer to 30,000 refugees per year,

That many applied...not all accepted.

And many do travel home repeatedly for visits.

They do huh?

Provide a link, because thats BS.

Michael Hardner · January 7, 2012

Only because very few of them reach here. If tens of millions of them did show up, then what?

I don't know, but the question doesn't seem realistic anyway.

Already, huge numbers of our so-called refugees are nothing of the sort, unless you count economic refugees.

Cite, please

The mere fact that so many of them travel home on repeated visits indicates they never had any real fear of persecution.

Cite, please.

Michael Hardner · January 7, 2012

They do huh?

Provide a link, because thats BS.

A double cite challenge ! Sorry, guyser, I should have read farther down in the thread.

cybercoma · January 7, 2012

Perhaps I missed the news stories of all the refugees lining up to join the military....

You kinda need your citizenship first.

cybercoma · January 7, 2012

You forget the videos of the hazings ordinary guys underwent in the Canadian Airborn Regiment?

Young guys are dunmbasses. You need discipline and intelligence at the top then you don't have to worry about hazing.

So what? That's completely beside the point. It's not at all the same situation as the Korean.

For the record, they shouldn't be hazing either.

dre · January 7, 2012

Only because very few of them reach here. If tens of millions of them did show up, then what?

Man... :lol:

cybercoma · January 7, 2012

Canada accepts closer to 30,000 refugees per year, and for the most part, they have few or no documents identifying them. We generally accept their word about who they are and what happened to them. In fact, in Ottawa, it emerged that a number of the so-called Somalian refugees were actually Kenyan. We couldn't tell them apart, you see.

And many do travel home repeatedly for visits.

Very few refugees apply to Canada directly. They apply through the UNHCR, who then seeks out nations where they can resettle.

cybercoma · January 7, 2012

Canada accepts closer to 30,000 refugees per year, and for the most part, they have few or no documents identifying them. We generally accept their word about who they are and what happened to them. In fact, in Ottawa, it emerged that a number of the so-called Somalian refugees were actually Kenyan. We couldn't tell them apart, you see.

And many do travel home repeatedly for visits.

Oh and as far as it goes for paperwork...

During mass movements of refugees (usually as a result of conflicts or generalized violence as opposed to individual persecution), there is not - and never will be - a capacity to conduct individual asylum interviews for everyone who has crossed the border. Nor is it usually necessary, since in such circumstances it is generally evident why they have fled. As a result, such groups are often declared "prima facie" refugees.

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646c137.html

g_bambino · January 7, 2012

Think of how gays were treated in the US military with hazings and abuse

You mean to say that, first off, members of the US military annunciated their particular sexual orientation and then only those who said they were gay were subjected to specific hazing, apart from that everyone else went through, and abuse? If so, can you provide a cite, please?

Imagine that, only worse, but service in the military is required of you. In other words, you would be required to be abused for your sexuality because you legally can't avoid the environment that is being abusive to people of your orientation.

Are we to accept refugees from Israel, Brazil, Norway, and Switzerland as well, then?

[ed: c/e]

Edited January 7, 2012 by g_bambino

cybercoma · January 7, 2012

It depends on their situation. I presume this Korean guy's situation was a hell of a lot more serious than "hazing".

Uncle 3 dogs · January 7, 2012

Do they fit those criteria? Then yes. Why would it matter at all whether they're attracted to people of the same sex or opposite sex? I don't understand.

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Scotty · January 7, 2012

Very few refugees apply to Canada directly. They apply through the UNHCR, who then seeks out nations where they can resettle.

You have a cite for that? I read often enough about how many refugees get off the plane or cross the border from the states and declare refugee status.