islamic anti-west pro terrorism conference happening right now!

[The Right One]

as the rest of canada and canadians celebrate christmas. there is a terrorist training session happening in Toronto at the metro toronto convention centre. its youth event trying to train young jihadis into holy war against the west.

only one newspaper has the courage to bring this into light.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/23/controversial-islamic-conference-set-for-toronto-this-weekend

“It has little to do with Islam, (but) it’s got everything to do with Islamism,” said Fatah. “It is to revive goals of the Muslim Brotherhood, which...feels that its destiny (is) to undermine Western civilization.” Tariq Fatah[muslim] Muslim Canadian Congress

At 12:00 p.m., an Imam – a spiritual leader – conducted midday prayers. As Qasim Ibn Ali Khan read from the Qur’an, the room fell silent and around 1,500 men filled a large space on the bottom floor of the convention centre. All at once, they bowed with their foreheads touching the floor. In a large section behind them were the women.

[Michael Hardner]

Fatah seems tone criticizing them for moderating their views. So what does he want.

[Moonlight Graham]

as the rest of canada and canadians celebrate christmas. there is a terrorist training session happening in Toronto at the metro toronto convention centre. its youth event trying to train young jihadis into holy war against the west.

Really? Where does it say that?

I'm sure there are RCMP or whomever infiltrating this conference, or at least I hope so. Islamists in this country can kiss my butt. Keep that crap out of Canada.

[jbg]

I'm sure there are RCMP or whomever infiltrating this conference, or at least I hope so. Islamists in this country can kiss my butt. Keep that crap out of Canada.

The NYPD is getting grief for infiltrating similar conclaves in Queens and Brooklyn.

[Moonlight Graham]

The NYPD is getting grief for infiltrating similar conclaves in Queens and Brooklyn.

And they should care why? If you have nothing to hide it should be fine. Would Catholic churches care if there were 5 FBI agents hidden in the audience. No.

[Moonlight Graham]

It's also weird that people in western countries spill anti-western rhetoric. If you don't like it then go move to a third world country.

Can't they get charged for hate-speech or something?

Edited December 26, 2011 by Moonlight Graham

[jbg]

And they should care why? If you have nothing to hide it should be fine. Would Catholic churches care if there were 5 FBI agents hidden in the audience. No.

Ditto most Jewish congregations.

[Bob]

Ditto most Jewish congregations.

Actually, synagogues often request a security detail from some type of police because of regular threats of violence from the usual suspects - "passionate" Mohammedans. I know you know this, but I just wanted to point it out.

Edited December 26, 2011 by Bob

[jbg]

Actually, synagogues often request a security detail from some type of police because of regular threats of violence from the usual suspects - "passionate" Mohammedans. I know you know this, but I just wanted to point it out.

I remember getting the "third degree" when I wanted to check out the Friday night services at a Lisbon, Portugal synagogue in December 1995, long before the immigration of many Muslims there.

As far as their being "passionate" its one of the things I respect about Islam. They're religious enough to blow up buildings and kill helpless people. I wish I could feel that strongly about my religion.

[Guest Manny]

Can't they get charged for hate-speech or something?

Yes, but only if they actually engage in hate speech.

[Guest American Woman]

This is from the 2009 convention (emphasis mine):

In the fifth session, Professor Tariq Ramadan spoke on “Where Then Are You Going? Tough Questions for Today's Youth.” The point he made in this speech, besides other points, was that when Muslims discuss Islam to others it is prudent to remember this is a message that was sent to all.

There is no "Us" against "Them," or an "Us and Them."

“Humanity is one and the message of Islam was sent for all.

He spoke directly to the youth reminding them that if they are getting the messages that blowing themselves up or hurting others is the way of Islam they are mislead.

Islamic Spirit Conference in Toronto

If this is an example of what goes on at all the conferences, and from what I can gather it is, it sure doesn't sound as if they are engaged in any "hate speech" or rising up against the west; certainly no "terrorist training sessions" as the opening post claims.

The link gives a good example of the types of "sessions" these revival meetings to have - and of course other religions have "revivals" too. I don't see where that in and of itself is an indication of anything sinister. From videos I've seen, the women and men do not appear to be segregated during the sessions. Here is a "Spirit of RIS 2011" video for anyone who is interested:

[Scotty]

Fatah seems tone criticizing them for moderating their views. So what does he want.

It did not seem to me that he said their views were moderating, but that they were simply being more careful about how they expressed those views in a public forum. These are Muslims born and raised in 'the west' and yet the speakers were going to criticize aspects of 'western society' which they felt were 'harmful to Islam' -- such as gender rights. This would seem to be another call to separate themselves, as Muslims, from the 'evils of western culture', such as gay rights, gender rights, freedom of conscience and the like.

In other words, don't be Canadians. Be sixteenth century Arabs instead.

[Guest Manny]

It did not seem to me that he said their views were moderating, but that they were simply being more careful about how they expressed those views in a public forum.

Amazingly, the exact same things were said about the Jews in Nazi Germany, that when they were preaching in the synagogues their ideology of peace, tolerance love that it was even more sinister and offensive to non-Jewish Germans, because they were hiding their real intentions and doing this to deceive the people.

Can't win for losing.

[Michael Hardner]

It did not seem to me that he said their views were moderating, but that they were simply being more careful about how they expressed those views in a public forum. These are Muslims born and raised in 'the west' and yet the speakers were going to criticize aspects of 'western society' which they felt were 'harmful to Islam' -- such as gender rights. This would seem to be another call to separate themselves, as Muslims, from the 'evils of western culture', such as gay rights, gender rights, freedom of conscience and the like.

In other words, don't be Canadians. Be sixteenth century Arabs instead.

In other words, criticize our laws in the same way other religious people do.

Again, if they have changed what they are saying isn't that what should be expected as religion westernizes.

[Bob]

It's also weird that people in western countries spill anti-western rhetoric. If you don't like it then go move to a third world country.

Can't they get charged for hate-speech or something?

"Hate-speech" laws in Canada, as well as the broader West, are highly politicized and typically aren't apply to Islamists. Consider that the recent viral video of Emma West ranting about immigrants in London landed her in jail for "racially-aggravated assault" while three drunken Somalian ladies in the same place who viciously assaulted a woman while chanting "kill the white slag!" didn't spend one day in jail, as the judge accepted as a "mitigating factor" the "fact" that Muslims don't drink enough to know what to expect in terms of its effects.

(non-flagged version)

Another example of left-wing politicization - consider the fact that the "racist" tirade from Emma West is flagged by YouTube as "adult" material, while the vicious and genuinely racist assault by the Somalian third-worlders isn't. Unsurprising...

Edited December 26, 2011 by Bob

[kimmy]

Fatah seems tone criticizing them for moderating their views. So what does he want.

As Scotty said, Fatah isn't criticizing them for moderating their views, he's saying they haven't moderated their views at all, just learned to express them in less inflammatory ways.

Ahmed strongly disagreed, but did acknowledge that speakers had free reign to speak about what they wanted.

“The purpose of this conference is to allow youth to hear from the scholars, and RIS...(does) not really engage in any ideological debate,” said Ahmed. “These are issues that they might touch on, but it’s not part of the program, per say.”

In Muslim terms, "Scholar" translates to "a Saudi-educated theocrat who's going to talk about the stone-age brand of Islam they practice in Saudi Arabia."

The thread title is misleading-- I don't think there's anything to suggest this is a "pro-terrorism conference". Nonetheless, bringing in "Islamic scholars" to "educate" modern westernized Muslims is a stupid and destructive idea. We should be sending modern westernized Muslims to Saudi Arabia to educate their "scholars".

Bringing Saudi-trained "scholars" to North America to teach kids how to do Islam right would be like using a time-machine to bring some witch-hunters from 16th century Europe to teach today's soft-hearted Christians how to deal with pagans and Buddhists.

-k

[cybercoma]

In other Christmas Day Muslim news, they continued their annual tradition of coming together with Jewish volunteers to give Christians the day off in Michigan.

This Christmas Day, Christian volunteers across the area will have a chance to take a day off from working with others and spend the holiday celebrating with their friends and families thanks to their neighbors: Their Muslim and Jewish neighbors, that is.

Christmas Day, or Dec. 25, is known as Mitzvah Day to hundreds of Jewish and Muslim community volunteers across the metropolitan Detroit area. It is a day when community volunteers across different religious boundaries step in to help out so that Christian volunteers can celebrate the tradition of Christmas. This is the third year the religious communities have come together in an effort to relieve their Christian neighbors of their duties as volunteers.

read the rest here: http://www.hometownlife.com/article/20111225/NEWS27/112250356

[Guest American Woman]

Again. From a past revival.

He spoke directly to the youth reminding them that if they are getting the messages that blowing themselves up or hurting others is the way of Islam they are mislead.

Seems to me that is a good message to be getting across to that size group.

[cybercoma]

Again. From a past revival.

He spoke directly to the youth reminding them that if they are getting the messages that blowing themselves up or hurting others is the way of Islam they are mislead.

Seems to me that is a good message to be getting across to that size group.

Don't make me agree with American Woman, people. It will start snowing in hell.

[Guest Peeves]

Fatah seems tone criticizing them for moderating their views. So what does he want.

As I am a follower of Fatah (radio 1010 and T.V., who is a fierce outspoken critic of "radical" Islam, often called Islamism Iknow his position.

He frequently speaks of the "radical literature" available advocating for militant Islamism at most Muslim gathering places. Obviously those attending any meeting or mosque service will by now be guarded in their speech.

The U.K. security caught some comments against Jews and the West in their mosques, it was quite a revelation to many.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/10/15/f-vp-handler.html

[Guest Peeves]

Again. From a past revival.

He spoke directly to the youth reminding them that if they are getting the messages that blowing themselves up or hurting others is the way of Islam they are mislead.

Seems to me that is a good message to be getting across to that size group.

Considering that most planning attacks in north America have been rather young and from 'good' families, that's a good place to aim the message.

[Scotty]

Amazingly, the exact same things were said about the Jews in Nazi Germany, that when they were preaching in the synagogues their ideology of peace, tolerance love that it was even more sinister and offensive to non-Jewish Germans, because they were hiding their real intentions and doing this to deceive the people.

Perhaps you'd like to show us where these people have EVER preached peace, tolerance and love? In fact, from the cite given they were instead preaching about how western values like gender equality were a threat to Islam...

[Scotty]

In other words, criticize our laws in the same way other religious people do.

Other western religions don't have values which are diametrically opposed to ours.

And again, as I have already reminded you, Islam is not merely a code for individuals but contains laws and rules of government. This is what makes it as much a political ideology as a religion.

Again, if they have changed what they are saying isn't that what should be expected as religion westernizes.

No one has said they have changed what they are saying, merely how they are saying it.

[Scotty]

"Hate-speech" laws in Canada, as well as the broader West, are highly politicized and typically aren't apply to Islamists. Consider that the recent viral video of Emma West ranting about immigrants in London landed her in jail for "racially-aggravated assault" while three drunken Somalian ladies in the same place who viciously assaulted a woman while chanting "kill the white slag!" didn't spend one day in jail, as the judge accepted as a "mitigating factor" the "fact" that Muslims don't drink enough to know what to expect in terms of its effects.

You know, I think Canada has probably done a better job of absorbing and integrating its Muslim immigrants than any other country, and one of the reasons, I believe, is we haven't put in place the kind of politically correct, paternalistic bullshit laws and rules that much of Europe has. Not for want of trying by our Left, of course.

What the UK judge might as well have said is "Well, it's not like we can expect Somalian women to act like civilized White people, after all!" I'm sure he'd be outraged at my paraphrasing, but in essence, that is what he said, and what the decision meant.

As for the contemptible laws against freedom of speech and expression which Britain and France and other such European nations have put in place, we have seen how abused they can be, and how useless they are in combating racism or bigotry. Despite such laws being on the books for many year (or perhaps, in no small part because of them) Muslims in Britain and France are FAR less integrated, FAR more resentful and are disliked, feared and despised by the larger communities around them FAR more than in Canada.

Yet another example of how out to lunch, how utterly beyond the grasp of reality and human behaiour so much of the Left is.

Edited December 27, 2011 by Scotty

[DogOnPorch]

kimmy: Bringing Saudi-trained "scholars" to North America to teach kids how to do Islam right would be like using a time-machine to bring some witch-hunters from 16th century Europe to teach today's soft-hearted Christians how to deal with pagans and Buddhists.

Oh, now there's a vision. I guess we'd be hidin'....