cybercoma Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 He will unveil the details in Montreal where Nizar Zakka — an immigration consultant suspected of fraud — was arrested in 2009. Zakka is suspected of providing would-be Lebanese immigrants with false evidence — indicating that they were living in Quebec when they were not — to support their cases for permanent residency.Read more: http://www.canada.com/Feds+revoke+thousands+citizenships+historic+sweep/5833149/story.html#ixzz1g0JN8giO tsk. tsk. Zakka. Quote
Wild Bill Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 tsk. tsk. Zakka. Just the tip of the iceberg... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Tilter Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Just the tip of the iceberg... Maybe we should pay more attention to WHO is pleading for a ride "home" next time a dust-up happens in Lebanon. Of the 15,000 "Canadians" who were in Lebanon last time ---- how many were actually legal Canadian citizens? How about the charmer who was bitching about the lack of service on the rescue boat that was part of the 100 million bux Canada spent to get them out? Quote
fellowtraveller Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Maybe we should pay more attention to WHO is pleading for a ride "home" next time a dust-up happens in Lebanon. Of the 15,000 "Canadians" who were in Lebanon last time ---- how many were actually legal Canadian citizens? How about the charmer who was bitching about the lack of service on the rescue boat that was part of the 100 million bux Canada spent to get them out? The most disturbing thing about the evacuation of Canadian citizens from Lebanon was the disgusting racist vitriol that erupted in Canada which was based on the premise that there are different degrees of equality for citizens. There are not. If you hold a Canadian passport and have brown skin and live somewhere else, you have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as a native born white Canadian. I thought it was over, but here we go again. Quote The government should do something.
Tilter Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 The most disturbing thing about the evacuation of Canadian citizens from Lebanon was the disgusting racist vitriol that erupted in Canada which was based on the premise that there are different degrees of equality for citizens. There are not. If you hold a Canadian passport and have brown skin and live somewhere else, you have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as a native born white Canadian. I thought it was over, but here we go again. Were they actual Canadians, taxpayers, or looking for something for nothing? I don't care if the skin color was green, pink or blue--- if they are in the group whose Canadian citizenship is only a passport to handouts & health benefits and have not paid taxes, don't live here or haven't served in Canada's armed forces--- they don't deserve a damn cent for any reason. Quote
guyser Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 --- if they are in the group whose Canadian citizenship is only a passport to handouts & health benefits and have not paid taxes, don't live here or haven't served in Canada's armed forces--- they don't deserve a damn cent for any reason. Cant get one without the other. Now what? Quote
PIK Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 4700 liberal supporters getting turfed, great news. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 ...the federal government is set to crack down... Ooooh, gettin' tough...crackin' down...fuckin' eh! So how many billions will this cost? As if that mattered one iota. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
g_bambino Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 The most disturbing thing about the evacuation of Canadian citizens from Lebanon was the disgusting racist vitriol that erupted in Canada which was based on the premise that there are different degrees of equality for citizens. There are not. If you hold a Canadian passport and have brown skin and live somewhere else, you have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as a native born white Canadian.I thought it was over, but here we go again. Well, you're going around it again because you started the cycle; nobody raised the spector of race but you. Tilter asked how many evacuees were "legal Canadian citizens", not "'white' skinned Canadian citizens". Odd how automatically the cries of racism come nowadays. Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 The most disturbing thing about the evacuation of Canadian citizens from Lebanon was the disgusting racist vitriol that erupted in Canada which was based on the premise that there are different degrees of equality for citizens. There are not. If you hold a Canadian passport and have brown skin and live somewhere else, you have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as a native born white Canadian. I thought it was over, but here we go again. See... This is why some Albertans need to just pump the oil and zip it.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
William Ashley Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) tsk. tsk. Zakka. I think the law should be changed before the penalties are. The minister is overstepping in imposing this ' most grave' penalty de facto before legal action is taken. It should be done on recommendation of the courts not a political office. It is disgusting. Why this wouldn't be done legally is beyond me. The removal grounds being used are suppose to be reserved for serious offences like terrorism. His use if thus for absenteeism is ludicrous. The real problem is stupid immigration laws requiring constant presence in Canada. It makes no sense. Add up total days as a class over lifetime eg 3500 days in canada or 2500 over 10 years Edited December 9, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Tilter Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) When do you realize that the Legislators MAKE the laws--- the courts (supposedly) act on them. It should be done on recommendation of the courts not a political office. It is disgusting. No, the idea that 4500 Lebanese BOUGHT their Canadian citizenship is disgusting When do you realize that the Legislators MAKE the laws--- the courts (supposedly) act on them. I think the law should be changed before the penalties are. The minister is overstepping in imposing this ' most grave' penalty de facto before legal action is taken These are not penalties, most or least grave--- the removal of a citizenship that doesn't exist the same as the restoring of stolen merchandise to the rightful owner. Why this wouldn't be done legally is beyond me. The removal grounds being used are suppose to be reserved for serious offences like terrorism. His use if thus for absenteeism is ludicrous Why doesn't Canada have the right to remove aliens from the country? These people aren't Canadians. They are aliens claiming something that they haven't earned under the laws of Canada. Walk into a store--- pick up a sweater with a 50 dollar price tag. Pay 10 dollars to the cashier and walk out of the store with the sweater---- you will be arrested by the store police because you were STEALING the sweater--- you don't own something you stole--- it still belongs to the store the same way that if you don't earn your citizenship as the country demands you have stolen it, you aren't a citizen. the country can kick you out of the country or strip that worthless piece of paper from you. as to why "Why this wouldn't be done legally is beyond me" ask of the 40,000 lost illegals bouncing around Canada with no status, bumming their living off of welfare, using our over burdened medical system. The government can't locate them, why would they be able to locate the 4700 noncitizens for whom you are advocating? Are you willing to pay the legal costs involved in this mater? Hey--- sponsor them all, only provide a 500,000 buck surety for each of them so that when they are missing in action-- the surety can be paid for each of them. The real problem is stupid immigration laws requiring constant presence in Canada. It makes no sense. Add up total days as a class over lifetime eg 3500 days in canada or 2500 over 10 years And you have a better suggestion like perhaps OHIP, who insure ANYONE, illegal or legal who sets foot in Canada. Hey--- no premiums there--- just for taxpaying citizens Edited December 9, 2011 by Tilter Quote
guyser Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 You are full of hyperbole and short on facts today arent you? These are not penalties, most or least grave--- the removal of a citizenship that doesn't exist the same as the restoring of stolen merchandise to the rightful owner. Sometimes that has to occur after a trial. Which is probably the reason these people will have up to 60 days to appeal to Fed court. Some of these people will have been duped and that should not be their bear to cross. A blanket sweeping of 4500 out othis country is wrong. Why doesn't Canada have the right to remove aliens from the country? Our laws tell them how to do that. These people aren't Canadians. They have a passport so..... They are aliens claiming something that they haven't earned under the laws of Canada.Walk into a store--- pick up a sweater with a 50 dollar price tag. Pay 10 dollars to the cashier and walk out of the store with the sweater---- you will be arrested by the store police because you were STEALING the sweater--- you don't own something you stole--- it still belongs to the store the same way that if you don't earn your citizenship as the country demands you have stolen it, you aren't a citizen. the country can kick you out of the country or strip that worthless piece of paper from you. as to why "Why this wouldn't be done legally is beyond me" ask of the 40,000 lost illegals bouncing around Canada with no status, bumming their living off of welfare, using our over burdened medical system. The government can't locate them, why would they be able to locate the 4700 noncitizens for whom you are advocating? Cool story Bro. Irrelavant but cool . But walking in and stealing a sweater is not the same as entrusting an agent to walk one thru the landmine that is immigration Are you willing to pay the legal costs involved in this mater? Willing ? LOL You and I are paying anyhow, and I am just fine with it. Courts are there to deal with it. And you have a better suggestion like perhaps OHIP, who insure ANYONE, illegal or legal who sets foot in Canada. Hey--- no premiums there--- just for taxpaying citizens OHIP...insure anyone? DOUBLE LOL !! Try and get facts next time will you? Quote
Scotty Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Just the tip of the iceberg... I have no doubt that for every phony Canadian from Lebanon there are ten or twenty phony Canadians from Hong Kong and the rest of China. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Guest American Woman Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Why this wouldn't be done legally is beyond me. The removal grounds being used are suppose to be reserved for serious offences like terrorism. His use if thus for absenteeism is ludicrous. His "use for absenteeism" is within the law; within the legal requirements of being granted Canadian citizenship. The real problem is stupid immigration laws requiring constant presence in Canada. It makes no sense. Add up total days as a class over lifetime eg 3500 days in canada or 2500 over 10 years It makes complete sense. What makes no sense it desiring citizenship in a country one does not plan to live in. What's the purpose of obtaining citizenship under such circumstances? Quote
Scotty Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Some of these people will have been duped and that should not be their bear to cross. A blanket sweeping of 4500 out othis country is wrong. Duped? They lied on their applications, flew over to make a visit and promise they were going to live here, then flew home and let their agent file false tax claims so they would get benefit cheques. And it's 6700. To start. Boot them. ASAP, then start in on the tens of thousands of other so-called Canadians who need to be evicted. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Jack Weber Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 It makes complete sense. What makes no sense it desiring citizenship in a country one does not plan to live in. What's the purpose of obtaining citizenship under such circumstances? In the case of what happened in Lebanon a few years back.... Proxy Protection... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Scotty Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 The most disturbing thing about the evacuation of Canadian citizens from Lebanon was the disgusting racist vitriol that erupted in Canada which was based on the premise that there are different degrees of equality for citizens. Canadians don't hate Lebanese. They hate phony Canadians. They hate fraud artists who prey on their good will. They won't make excuses for criminal behavior just because of brown skin - unlike others. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Guest American Woman Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 In the case of what happened in Lebanon a few years back.... Proxy Protection... That's my point; I would say the only desire for citizenship is to be able to take advantage of Canada. Quote
Scotty Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 In the case of what happened in Lebanon a few years back.... Proxy Protection... And free money, since these agents were filing phony tax claims and passing on benefit cheques to Lebanon every month. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
guyser Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 What makes no sense it desiring citizenship in a country one does not plan to live in. What's the purpose of obtaining citizenship under such circumstances? Numerous reasons really. Tax laws, ease of use for a passport (some make it easier to gain entry), family ties , granted for altruistic purposes. All sorts of reasons. One of the most famous is the Andretti family. They all have dual, Italy and America. None of them were born in Italy, but there ya go. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 I have no doubt that for every phony Canadian from Lebanon there are ten or twenty phony Canadians from Hong Kong and the rest of China. It's definitely not just Lebanon: Letters are currently being sent to the 6,500 people from 100 countries indicating that Canada is revoking their citizenship or permanent resident status due to fraud. Quote
guyser Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Duped? They lied on their applications, flew over to make a visit and promise they were going to live here, then flew home and let their agent file false tax claims so they would get benefit cheques. Only problem is , you dont know that. Nor am I saying all of them are innocent. But some of themn are duped so they have to run it thru the court. I am ok with that. And it's 6700. To start. Boot them. ASAP, then start in on the tens of thousands of other so-called Canadians who need to be evicted. Make it 100,000, still dont care. Do it right or dont do it at all Quote
Guest American Woman Posted December 10, 2011 Report Posted December 10, 2011 Numerous reasons really. Tax laws, ease of use for a passport (some make it easier to gain entry), family ties , granted for altruistic purposes. I don't agree with granting citizenship for those reasons. All sorts of reasons. I'm sure there are all sorts of reasons, but unless the reasons involve being productive citizens, I don't think citizenship should be granted. Citizenship is a right which comes at a cost to other citizens and should not be just a ticket to making life easier for the person desiring it. One of the most famous is the Andretti family. They all have dual, Italy and America. None of them were born in Italy, but there ya go. Famous or not, I'm not familiar with them, so I can't comment. Quote
Tilter Posted December 10, 2011 Report Posted December 10, 2011 Duped? They lied on their applications, flew over to make a visit and promise they were going to live here, then flew home and let their agent file false tax claims so they would get benefit cheques. And it's 6700. To start. Boot them. ASAP, then start in on the tens of thousands of other so-called Canadians who need to be evicted. The article says that the majority were from Lebanon. Quote
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