Federal Liberals gain

[olp1fan]

You mean the whole 100,000 more who voted in 2006 then in 2011? Yah maybe or maybe you are making a simple situation out a much more complex situation. Like Liberal memberships in free fall, ridding associations having to be run from Ottawa by paid workers because there is not one engaged volunteer in the ridding. It is going to take them more then 100,000 more people voting.

well Canadian federal voting is around 61% I last read and its been around there for years..I meant to get THOSE voters

you dont have to canvas to get votes

nobody likes canvassers

someone once told me that turns them off to voting

there are other things they could do

Edited November 29, 2011 by olp1fan

[punked]

well Canadian federal voting is around 61% I last read and its been around there for years..I meant to get THOSE voters

Yah but that isn't how it works. Yes they have to engage voters but they still have to get their vote out. It is silly to think organizational capacity and money aren't apart of getting your message out. That will be the true test to if or if not the Liberals make their "comeback".

[olp1fan]

One thing that annoys me is you basically only see politicians or hear from them during the election campaign

The Liberals should right now already be in campaign mode...volunteering at any function they can, helping people...just to put their faces and names out there but not do it so much that it looks obvious

THIS is how you will win over communities and be a mile ahead of your opponents

Its how they do it in the U.S...yes it takes a lot of hard work to get elected doesn't it?

Edited November 29, 2011 by olp1fan

[Newfoundlander]

Considering at the moment they have 60,000 less members then the NDP they got a large hole climb out of.

Where did you see he numbers, I had been looking for them?

[punked]

Where did you see he numbers, I had been looking for them?

The globe and mail posted the Liberals numbers a few days ago.

Party membership has plummeted over little more than two decades from half a million to about 35,000, and donations are less than half those of the Conservatives.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/is-a-liberal-comeback-mission-impossible/article2250088/

and the post had a story about the NDP a few days before.

According to the figures, overall membership has jumped nearly 13% since earlier this fall, to 95,006 members from 83,824.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/17/ndp-memberships-up-everywhere-but-alberta-as-leadership-race-heats-up/

At this point in the governing cycle I think these numbers mean a hell a lot more then poll numbers.

[August1991]

The history the Liberals have in this country you knew eventually they'd come back. If they can convince Dalton Mcguinty to become their leader for 2015 I think that they could make substansital gains, in any event I still think they are the official opposition after the next election.

Regionalism drives Canadian federal politics. McGuinty is too strongly identified with Ontario and would never become a federal PM. Americans typically elect presidents who were governors. Canadians have never elected a federal PM who was once a provincial PM. Ultimately, I think that Bob Rae is unelectable for this reason.

The more I think about it, Charest is looking better and better.

See above.

The Liberals should right now already be in campaign mode...volunteering at any function they can, helping people...just to put their faces and names out there but not do it so much that it looks obvious

The Liberals need to raise money. Look at how Obama, Harper and Bush Jnr won their elections. Money, and polling to know who your potential voters are and how to motivate them to vote for you.

The federal Liberals still don't know how to do either. (McGuinty, OTOH, knows how to get public sector unions to do his bidding for him.)

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This thread is based on one poll taken at a time when we are in a double-dip recession, the Tories are introducing unpopular measures to keep promises to their base, and the NDP is in the early stages of a leadership race. In such a vacuum, it is not surprising that "none of the above" (ie. the Liberals) get a bounce.

I happen to think that the LPC could make a comeback but this poll does not indicate anything of the sort. Instead, the reaction to it just reminds me how hopeless the Liberals are. Liberals think that they are entitled to their entitlements since power is their natural right.

Edited November 29, 2011 by August1991

[Guest Derek L]

I don't know anyone who is a card carrying member of any political party

I think its lame to belong to a political party unless you're a politician

I joined the federal Progressive Conservatives and BC Social Credit in 1982, then the Reform Party after the ‘93 election and Provincially left BC Social Credit in ‘92 and joined the BC Liberal Party in ‘98.……..

As for “being lame”, why do think that? Why are you posting and discussing politics? You find it interesting perhaps? Joining a political party, going to the constituency and riding association meetings, and donating time and money to a party that you support is the next progression and I’d encourage anyone, especially younger voters to take part, if for no better reason then to help better understand the process.

Find a party, join it, and go to the meetings…….Most party memberships are only ~$20 for a year.

Edited November 29, 2011 by Derek L

[olp1fan]

I joined the federal Progressive Conservatives and BC Social Credit in 1982, then the Reform Party after the ‘93 election and Provincially left BC Social Credit in ‘92 and joined the BC Liberal Party in ‘98.……..

so in other words you were a registered flip flopper

[Guest Derek L]

so in other words you were a registered flip flopper

No, go look at the History of both parties in that time frame.....

[Newfoundlander]

I joined the federal Progressive Conservatives and BC Social Credit in 1982, then the Reform Party after the ‘93 election and Provincially left BC Social Credit in ‘92 and joined the BC Liberal Party in ‘98.……..

As for “being lame”, why do think that? Why are you posting and discussing politics? You find it interesting perhaps? Joining a political party, going to the constituency and riding association meetings, and donating time and money to a party that you support is the next progression and I’d encourage anyone, especially younger voters to take part, if for no better reason then to help better understand the process.

Find a party, join it, and go to the meetings…….Most party memberships are only ~$20 for a year.

I'm a member of the PCs.

[olp1fan]

No, go look at the History of both parties in that time frame.....

I have a feeling Harpers name will come up quite a bit.. i know he was a reformer

and that he insulted canada by calling it a welfare state in the worse sense

oh and wanted to put a firewall around alberta

Edited November 29, 2011 by olp1fan

[Guest Derek L]

I'm a member of the PCs.

Provincial? I joined Reform Party after a brief meeting with my then MP (Dr. Keith Martin).

[Guest Derek L]

I have a feeling Harpers name will come up quite a bit.. i know he was a reformer

and that he insulted canada by calling it a welfare state in the worse sense

oh and wanted to put a firewall around alberta

No, the federal PCs and BC Social Credit........circa 1992-1994

[olp1fan]

I'm a member of the PCs.

I, once too, belonged to a cult. But I got out. Good luck to you.

[Newfoundlander]

Provincial? I joined Reform Party after a brief meeting with my then MP (Dr. Keith Martin).

Provincial. I'm a big Keith Martin fan!

[olp1fan]

MP (Dr. Keith Martin).

From what I just read about Keith Martin he would get my vote

[Guest Derek L]

Provincial. I'm a big Keith Martin fan!

He’s definitely a good person, and many of his supporters though feeling a sense of betrayal when he left the party, understood and respected his decision.

Edited November 29, 2011 by Derek L

[Newfoundlander]

He’s definitely a good person, and many of his supporters though feeling a sense of betrayal when he left the party, understood and respected his decision.

It was a rather odd decision.

[Tilter]

One thing that annoys me is you basically only see politicians or hear from them during the election campaign

The Liberals should right now already be in campaign mode...volunteering at any function they can, helping people...just to put their faces and names out there but not do it so much that it looks obvious

THIS is how you will win over communities and be a mile ahead of your opponents

Its how they do it in the U.S...yes it takes a lot of hard work to get elected doesn't it?

We may not hear FROM the pols till an election but we hear plenty ABOUT pols from the opposition idiots. Since Harper got the Majority Govt the Opposition parties have been continually shooting themselves in the foot--They yap about Harper continually when they should be publicising their own leaders.------------------Wait a minute---- they don't have any leaders. (funny way to run political parties )

[cybercoma]

We may not hear FROM the pols till an election but we hear plenty ABOUT pols from the opposition idiots. Since Harper got the Majority Govt the Opposition parties have been continually shooting themselves in the foot--They yap about Harper continually when they should be publicising their own leaders.------------------Wait a minute---- they don't have any leaders. (funny way to run political parties )

Political opposition is idiotic?