Canada at war with Iran

[Guest Derek L]

here derek read this and decide yourself

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/14/israel-mossad-iran-blast?cat=world&type=article

I’ve already read them……..You’re the one using them as evidence that Israel has already attacked Iran, even when the Iranians themselves claim it to be an accident………You go as far as to call another forum member an idiot for believing the story to be an accident, as made evident by the lack of secondary explosions that would occur with an accident……….So why no secondary explosions with an attack that could be felt in Tehran?

[Guest Derek L]

really? where did you get that gem of historical inaccuracy...

Vietnam, 1978.

[olp1fan]

I’ve already read them……..You’re the one using them as evidence that Israel has already attacked Iran, even when the Iranians themselves claim it to be an accident………You go as far as to call another forum member an idiot for believing the story to be an accident, as made evident by the lack of secondary explosions that would occur with an accident……….So why no secondary explosions with an attack that could be felt in Tehran?

im not going to appease you, you either believe it or you don't

good day sir

btw there was 2 blasts not 1

Edited November 14, 2011 by olp1fan

[Guest Derek L]

im not going to appease you, you either believe it or you don't

good day sir

Contradiction in your story? Perhaps you should lesson the personal attacks on other members unless you’re going to “back-up” your claims…….How’s the saying about living in glass houses go?

[wyly]

Korean war. Have fun reading!

evidently you never did...chinese invasion "tore to ribbons" :lol:

[olp1fan]

Contradiction in your story? Perhaps you should lesson the personal attacks on other members unless you’re going to “back-up” your claims…….How’s the saying about living in glass houses go?

do you honestly believe a general will be moving ammunition?

i feel sorry for you that you actually believe anything Iran says

[wyly]

What’s the result of the intervention in Libya today? Western European and Canadian oil companies are rebuilding and in some areas, refining oil to feed southern Europe…….Mission accomplished.....For only a fraction of the cost of the intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan, and no military loss of life……..On to the next target…….It’s that simple.

don't know what the point is here, western and canadian oil companies had access to libyan oil before the revolution and the rebels say they'll honor the oil agreements made with the former regime...so liberating oil wasn't the on the agenda...

[Guest Derek L]

do you honestly believe a general will be moving ammunition?

i feel sorry for you that you actually believe anything Iran says

Why was he at the site? I’d assume doing administrative work……..

I take it though, you don’t believe anything Iran says though…….Like their claims about their peaceful nuclear program……..I smell another contradiction brewing

[Guest Derek L]

don't know what the point is here, western and canadian oil companies had access to libyan oil before the revolution and the rebels say they'll honor the oil agreements made with the former regime...so liberating oil wasn't the on the agenda...

Ok, then what do you feel the reasons for NATO intervention were?

[olp1fan]

Why was he at the site? I’d assume doing administrative work……..

I take it though, you don’t believe anything Iran says though…….Like their claims about their peaceful nuclear program……..I smell another contradiction brewing

its a missile base.. hes one of the top missile guys, thats why hes there

Iran wants the nuke to threaten countries with so they think twice before they invade

its not for peace, its for power... much like why any other country has nuclear weapons

[olp1fan]

im sure you bought into the Iraq WMD story at the time too Derek

you lack critical thinking skills and probably believe what you're told just like they trained you in the military

Edited November 14, 2011 by olp1fan

[Wild Bill]

its no different than people like you who assume iranians will turn on their government

fact is it could go either way

Exactly! That's my point!

That's NOT the way you presented it! And now you say there's something wrong with MY thinking!

More nerve than a bum tooth! Did anyone ever teach you English or how to think when you were in school?

Why do I keep bothering? Another yammerhead for the 'ignore' list.

[kactus]

Why was he at the site? I’d assume doing administrative work……..

I take it though, you don’t believe anything Iran says though…….Like their claims about their peaceful nuclear program……..I smell another contradiction brewing

Well...That's what tends to happen when people leverage the arguments for their own agenda. Sometimes they say that Iran's leader has said he wants "wants Israel wiped off the map" (which isn't true) and sometimes they say whatever we shouldn't believe anything Iranians say. Pick and choose so to speak.

Coming back to this topic I was one of those people who didn't believe the involvement of Mossad in the explosion. However, given the nature of the government and sensitivity around this they may not want to leak what has actually happened or the potential involvement of Mossad.

[wyly]

Ok, then what do you feel the reasons for NATO intervention were?

since the west had secure access to oil for once IMO the goal was a moral one, supporting the people ridding themselves of a dictator...

[kactus]

its a missile base.. hes one of the top missile guys, thats why hes there

Iran wants the nuke to threaten countries with so they think twice before they invade

its not for peace, its for power... much like why any other country has nuclear weapons

This is absolutely correct and given the nature of the leadership and the hierarchy is very much plausible.

I have to add that any possibility of an attack by the west does increase the nationalistic sentiment amongst disgruntled Iranian youths who would not have supported this government. This is not something that you can ask for source as we can see this in any country that may be subject to a threat especially one like Iran that has a rich history predating islam.

Edited November 14, 2011 by kactus

[wyly]

Well...That's what tends to happen when people leverage the arguments for their own agenda. Sometimes they say that Iran's leader has said he wants "wants Israel wiped off the map" (which isn't true) and sometimes they say whatever we shouldn't believe anything Iranians say. Pick and choose so to speak.

Coming back to this topic I was one of those people who didn't believe the involvement of Mossad in the explosion. However, given the nature of the government and sensitivity around this they may not want to leak what has actually happened or the potential involvement of Mossad.

i've no doubt the mossad is busy those iranian nuclear scientist didn't assassinate themselves...the mossad has a history of assassinating intellectual threats...

[kactus]

i've no doubt the mossad is busy those iranian nuclear scientist didn't assassinate themselves...the mossad has a history of assassinating intellectual threats...

Maybe true...but the work of intelligence services is not something that can become subject of a discussion in a thread. At the moment it is all speculative.

[WWWTT]

Korean war. Have fun reading!

Ya Ok theres North Korea,still there isn't it?I guess that means they didn't lose?

But you said countries.

Does Korea count as country or countries?

And what about Chinas ecenomy?

Are they not doing well?

WWWTT

[wyly]

Ya Ok theres North Korea,still there isn't it?I guess that means they didn't lose?

But you said countries.

Does Korea count as country or countries?

And what about Chinas ecenomy?

Are they not doing well?

WWWTT

it was a civil war, the usa/un invaded/interfered 4 months before china got involved, and the conflict ended in a stalemate...

[WWWTT]

Ill make you a deal, ill volunteer my old ass for military college, when you haul ass over to iran with whatever money you have to help fund theuir nuclear program and you can inlist in iran's army to help defend their "right" to nuclear weapons.

No wonder nixon won in the sixties, hippies wanted to impose their bs on us, yet they didn't have the stones to emmigrate to the land of socialism itself or make the sacrifices of that lifestyle.

People in glass houses...

Why would I want to do anything to help another country persue a military deterent against an nation it percieves as hostile?(notice I did not mention Isreal "or" Iran)

How does that help Canada?

As far as you putting your butt on the line then ya good for you!

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[WWWTT]

What’s the result of the intervention in Libya today? Western European and Canadian oil companies are rebuilding and in some areas, refining oil to feed southern Europe…….Mission accomplished.....For only a fraction of the cost of the intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan, and no military loss of life……..On to the next target…….It’s that simple.

Isn't that what the US said when the USSR pulled out of Afganistan in 1988?

WWWTT

[wyly]

Isn't that what the US said when the USSR pulled out of Afganistan in 1988?

WWWTT

double standards common in politics, they're evil when a country that we don't like does it but we're heroes/freedom fighters when our side does it...

[WWWTT]

any reason not to question it? the fact that they lied and said it happened at an ammunition depot when eyewitnesses said it was at a missile base

is reason enough and the fact that a top missile expert who had a major hand in thr missile development died is further evidence

also when ammunitions explode you hear dozens of mini explosions but with this explosion it was 2 massive explosions

that shook Tehran

you'd be an idiot to believe their story

You may be on to something here.

I remember back a few years ago when that incident happened in Syria,the Syrian government was quik to dismiss an Isreal air strike then too(2007)

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[WWWTT]

Vietnam, 1978.

Wrong answer buddy!

My wife is from Guangxi,autonomous region of China that borders northern Vietnam.

True there was a serious clash in this area at that time,thousands of Chinese died.But I believe this was a test of defences on either side and not a serious invasion.

And it is not clear who initiated the clash.

China also did the same against northern India,but in the end they pulled their troops out.

I do not fully understand why they did this either.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

it was a civil war, the usa/un invaded/interfered 4 months before china got involved, and the conflict ended in a stalemate...

Yep,but without China North Korea would have bein finished.(actually Mao's son died in Korea,I visited Maos memorial site near Changsha,Hunan province)

Actually I believe Mao wanted to invade Taiwan at the time and the US wanted to invade China after North Korea was squashed.

WWWTT