Derek 2.0 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 I don't speak for them. I'm telling you what I expect given the current situation. Good to hear that you've finally caught up........ Quote
ReeferMadness Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 I don't speak for them. I'm telling you what I expect given the current situation. Derek is trying to set a new record for how many times he can disparage a government before it's actually had a chance to do anything. And no, of course it has nothing to do with his stock portfolio!! Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Good to hear that you've finally caught up........ By blue water navy, I'm assuming they mean that we can deploy ships around the world without support. In a medium to low threat environment, that won't require dedicated AAD. Quote
Smallc Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Derek is trying to set a new record for how many times he can disparage a government before it's actually had a chance to do anything. I think it's also the case that most conservatives spit when they say the word Liberal or Trudeau. They have visions of evil. It's much the same as Liberals and Harper. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Great news....new OSFV's design include capsizing at sea...fix is going to be expensive. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/coast-guard-ships-redesign-1.3349619 Krikey ! What the hell is going on up there ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Great news....new OSFV's design include capsizing at sea...fix is going to be expensive. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/coast-guard-ships-redesign-1.3349619 Krikey ! What the hell is going on up there ? perhaps give your own link more attention - design flaw was found... fix is in/done! That's what engineers do. Quote
Smallc Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 It's the first set of ships in the program. It sounds like the defect was found and repaired, and the system will be modified for future projects. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Great news....new OSFV's design include capsizing at sea...fix is going to be expensive. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/coast-guard-ships-redesign-1.3349619 Krikey ! What the hell is going on up there ? Harper overruled his lawyer on the definition of residency. Maybe he insisted on overruling the ship design engineers because the ships looked too "Liberal". :lol: The good news, though, is that the current government is a much bigger believe in openness and transparency than the government that rode into power on those notions! On Thursday, CBC News revealed the new Liberal government has moved to reform Canada's costly shipbuilding program, promising a new system to evaluate costs, launch quarterly public updates and provide annual reports to Parliament. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) It's the first set of ships in the program. It sounds like the defect was found and repaired, and the system will be modified for future projects. Well let's just hope that the next ones are designed to consider really basic things like center of gravity, transverse/longtitudinal metacentric height, rolling period, free surface effect for tanks, etc. OMG ! Edited December 5, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 perhaps give your own link more attention - design flaw was found... fix is in/done! That's what engineers do. I think the point is a flaw of that magnitude should never have been incorporated into a final design which was sent to the shipyard. What idiots designed it? What idiot approved it? And are they designing the rest of the ships? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Whoever they are, I want that crack team to design the next nuclear super carrier ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) I think the point is a flaw of that magnitude should never have been incorporated into a final design which was sent to the shipyard. What idiots designed it? What idiot approved it? And are they designing the rest of the ships? I believe it was designed by Robert Allan. They have also designed the new SAR lifeboats. They were not the designers for any of the other ships thus far (all from memory so I may be wrong - I believe the AOPS and OOSV were designed by STX Marine Canada (Now Vard Canada). Edited December 5, 2015 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Somebody should own this....maybe they need fresh batteries for their slide rules. I think we found Canada's "butterballs" ....they're in the bathtub (tow tank) ! Edited December 5, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 By blue water navy, I'm assuming they mean that we can deploy ships around the world without support. In a medium to low threat environment, that won't require dedicated AAD. Being able to deploy ships overseas does not make a blue water navy.......in a medium threat environment, they most certainly would, and without a dedicated AAD vessel, your AOR is unprotected from a third world navy with a missile boat......or a terrorist group like Hamas with an anti-ship missile staged out the back of a truck.........based on our current Frigates, a foe able to launch 3-4 anti-ship missiles at one of our vessels would be considered a high threat environment. Quote
Smallc Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Yes and that's about the level I expect things to stay at. It's pretty much the level we've been at for a decade. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Being able to deploy ships overseas does not make a blue water navy.......in a medium threat environment, they most certainly would, and without a dedicated AAD vessel, your AOR is unprotected from a third world navy with a missile boat......or a terrorist group like Hamas with an anti-ship missile staged out the back of a truck........ Yep....think littoral zone. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ReeferMadness Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 I think we found Canada's "butterballs" ....they're in the bathtub (tow tank) ! Good of you to acknowledge what design failures the F-35's are. :lol: Unlike your butterballs, we've found the design flaws before we started to build the product! Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) I'm telling you what they mean and have meant by blue water navy. Maybe they have ambitious plans. I doubt it. We are a green water navy (or were) and will be for the foreseeable future. Edited December 5, 2015 by Smallc Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Unlike your butterballs, we've found the design flaws before we started to build the product! The design change will make your butterballs longer, heavier, slower, and more costly. And they are not even built yet. Well done ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Yes and that's about the level I expect things to stay at. It's pretty much the level we've been at for a decade. You mean obsolete and unable to contend with the "new" threats surely to be deployed by the end of the 1980s?........hence, not a Blue Water navy. Quote
Smallc Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 You mean obsolete and unable to contend with the "new" threats surely to be deployed by the end of the 1980s?........hence, not a Blue Water navy. Like I said, I doubt they're referring to the actual definition. It's arguable Canada was never a blue water navy. They're referring to ability to operate across the globe, something they're committed to maintaining. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 im telling you what they mean and have meant by blue water navy. Maybe they have ambitious plans. I doubt it. We are a green water navy (or were) and will be for the foreseeable future. A green water navy only able to operate in low threat environments and medium threat environments with a heightened level of risk...........hence, if we're not willing to pay for an actual navy, we should save the billions and build a Coast Guard. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Like I said, I doubt they're referring to the actual definition. It's arguable Canada was never a blue water navy. They're referring to ability to operate across the globe, something they're committed to maintaining. A navy can't operate across the globe if it can't defend itself. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 Yep....think littoral zone. Think a 1960s era former Soviet missile boat..... Quote
ReeferMadness Posted December 5, 2015 Report Posted December 5, 2015 The design change will make your butterballs longer, heavier, slower, and more costly. And they are not even built yet. Well done ! And your butterballs are also slower, heavier and more costly! :P Which is really bad for fighter aircraft. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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