WWWTT Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Posted October 31, 2011 1) Demonstrations require a permit in Denver 2) Denver is not in Canada Let me clarify I believe I heard that in Halifax the authorities there are planing on "asking" the protestors to "move along" because the OCCUPY protests will interfere with upcoming events such as remembrance day. But isn't there a vets day in the US or something like that?Is there no events planned for this? I'm sure the OCCUPY protests in the US will be interfering with other events there no?Wouldn't that make this relevant there aswell? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Keepitsimple Posted October 31, 2011 Report Posted October 31, 2011 The Toronto "Occupiers" have made it very clear who the 1% are. Quote Back to Basics
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) The First Amendment supercedes any bureaucratic nonsense about permits. Perhaps you should spend less time being an expert on Canada and more time understanding your own country. I would be happy to do so, but America is always on Canada's mind. Still, you don't know jack about the "First Amendment" and public demonstrations. Keep it on your side of the border, please. Edited October 31, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Posted October 31, 2011 Let me clarify I believe I heard that in Halifax the authorities there are planing on "asking" the protestors to "move along" because the OCCUPY protests will interfere with upcoming events such as remembrance day. Better...I don't give a damn what you do in Halifax, except for stabbing US sailors to death. But isn't there a vets day in the US or something like that?Is there no events planned for this? I'm sure the OCCUPY protests in the US will be interfering with other events there no?Wouldn't that make this relevant there aswell? Even veteran's events require a permit if organized on public property. The courts have upheld such permits for the sake of public safety. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Posted October 31, 2011 Better...I don't give a damn what you do in Halifax, except for stabbing US sailors to death. Even veteran's events require a permit if organized on public property. The courts have upheld such permits for the sake of public safety. If you do not care what happens in a Canadian city(unless there are American casualties) then why make a comment? What makes "you" think that making such a comment is relevant? Or even for that matter,if you don't care what happens in Canada then why are you commenting on mapleleafweb? And please don't make a responce such as "Canadians only want to be like Americans" or "Canadians only want America to notice". Aswell I highlighted the incident in Denver as an example(predicted one) of how the OCCUPY protests may take on a different tone. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Posted October 31, 2011 If you do not care what happens in a Canadian city(unless there are American casualties) then why make a comment? Because it affects my insurance premiums. What makes "you" think that making such a comment is relevant? Permits are not required for murder. Or even for that matter,if you don't care what happens in Canada then why are you commenting on mapleleafweb? Because invariably somebody (like you) will invoke an American reference for added credibility...like mentioning the City of Denver, Colorado, USA in a Canadian Politics > Federal Politics thread. See how that works? And please don't make a responce such as "Canadians only want to be like Americans" or "Canadians only want America to notice". Too late...I already did. Aswell I highlighted the incident in Denver as an example(predicted one) of how the OCCUPY protests may take on a different tone. OK....then you can expect a comment from somebody who actually knows about demonstrations and permits in Denver, or most any other American city. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WWWTT Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Posted October 31, 2011 Fair enough WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
jbg Posted October 31, 2011 Report Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) http://www.fark.com/vidplayer/6616754 More pearls of wisdom. Edited October 31, 2011 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bud Posted October 31, 2011 Report Posted October 31, 2011 http://www.fark.com/vidplayer/6616754 More pearls of wisdom. what a train wreck. the whole repeating and finger wiggling is kind of embarrassing. regardless, the system is not working. greed has taken over democracy and the lawmakers are failing the people. something needs to be done and i hope this movement continues to grow and we'll be able to experience true democracy where the decision makers are the people and not corporations. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Guest Derek L Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 Occupy Quebec campers face eviction Showdown in a few hours? Mayor Régis Labeaume told the media Thursday morning the protesters would need to leave their site at Place de l'Université-du-Québec by the end of the day.The order comes after a fire broke out Tuesday morning near one of the tents set up in the Occupy site. The propane stoves used by the protesters are also being cited as a hazard. The demonstrators voted Thursday morning to remain at the camp even if police choose to intervene. A post on the Occupon Quebec Facebook page said the group planned to stay at the site and form a human chain. They also appealed for legal help. So the occupiers are now a public safety risk with their propane stoves, and have been evicted and have till the end of the day to leave……..But their General Assembly has voted in favour of staying put……Are we hours away from the first Canadian occupiers being introduced to tear gas and rubber bullets? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 Media ‘threatened’ while reporting overdose at Occupy Vancouver camp Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Media+threatened+while+reporting+overdose+Occupy+Vancouver+camp/5652473/story.html#ixzz1cg4IdPo1 Some media covering the overdose were subjected to threats by those living in the tents on the lawns outside Vancouver Art Gallery.CKNW reporter Charmaine de Silva said she was “physically threatened” while covering the breaking story. And back here in Vancouver, the “99%ers” have apparently dealt with their first drug overdose………But well the storey was breaking, the “99%ers” threatened local news reporters with physical violence well they were reporting the storey. No one from the Occupy movement wanted to discuss the threats aimed at the radio reporter. Occupy Vancouver might not want to talk about it, but you can sure bet the media will……….. Santa Claus won't be visiting the Occupy Vancouver protesters The protesters' controversial tent city outside the Vancouver Art Gallery has prompted organizers of the eighth annual Rogers Santa Claus Parade to change the route of this year's event on Dec. 4.The public space where protesters now squat is normally a focal point of Santa Claus Parade activity. Every year the lawn on the north side of the VAG is turned into the Coast Capital Savings Christmas Square, with bleachers for viewing, family entertainment and a drop-off location for donations to the Greater Vancouver Food Bank Society. Now the 99%ers have pissed of the local media and are ruining Christmas…… Quote
dre Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 Media ‘threatened’ while reporting overdose at Occupy Vancouver camp Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/news/Media+threatened+while+reporting+overdose+Occupy+Vancouver+camp/5652473/story.html#ixzz1cg4IdPo1 And back here in Vancouver, the “99%ers” have apparently dealt with their first drug overdose………But well the storey was breaking, the “99%ers” threatened local news reporters with physical violence well they were reporting the storey. Occupy Vancouver might not want to talk about it, but you can sure bet the media will……….. Santa Claus won't be visiting the Occupy Vancouver protesters Now the 99%ers have pissed of the local media and are ruining Christmas…… Now the 99%ers have pissed of the local media and are ruining Christmas…… So what? Like I said... political protested have ALWAYS caused inconvenience. When the government and financial sector trash the economy for absolutely no good reason, people get pissed off. I wonder how many "ruined Christmas's" the great white collar crime wave that just trashed the global economy has caused? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest Derek L Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 Obviously sarcasm doesn’t convey well over the internet………My example was an illustration of two reporting’s of the occupy movement here in Vancouver……..The first included a report of threats against media by the 99%ers and their refusal to speak with them………the second, a report shortly after, stating the 99%ers were causing the alteration of a popular, annual event in the Greater Vancouver. This is in contrast to the “friendly coverage” the 99%ers received early on in their protest……the result, piss off the media, their tone of reporting will turn against you……..The real question, will the actual “99%” start to oppose the “movement” instead of their (for the most part) signs of indifference towards it. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 3, 2011 Report Posted November 3, 2011 So what? Like I said... political protested have ALWAYS caused inconvenience. When the government and financial sector trash the economy for absolutely no good reason, people get pissed off. I wonder how many "ruined Christmas's" the great white collar crime wave that just trashed the global economy has caused? How long till these “inconveniences” will alter the true 99%’s current indifferent stance, to one of opposition? Once the public at large starts calling for their removal, their cause will be lost. Think of the shift in public support of the Iraq & Afghanistan wars…….add to that, annoying the mainstream media, and that shift will occur drastically. Quote
Handsome Rob Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 So what? Like I said... political protested have ALWAYS caused inconvenience. When the government and financial sector trash the economy for absolutely no good reason, people get pissed off. I wonder how many "ruined Christmas's" the great white collar crime wave that just trashed the global economy has caused? If they wanted public support rather than disdain, they would be accommodating and make suitable arrangements. Accommodation is the Canadian way isn't it? Not that difficult to move for a day. They certainly aren't helping themselves. Between that, asking for donations of clothing, food and blankets that the genuine homeless have legitimate need for, and the heroin overdose today, Occupy Vancouver has probably lost whatever last shred of public credibility they ever had. Quote
capricorn Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 If they wanted public support rather than disdain, they would be accommodating and make suitable arrangements. The occupiers in Vancouver, as with all of them, pride themselves in having no leader, no one that speaks on behalf of the entire group. The problem this has created is that authorities don't have one person designated with whom they could negotiate terms acceptable to both sides. They can't negotiate with all of them individually. The result is total confusion. I fear the catalyst for action will take the form of an unfortunate incident to befall one or more of the occupiers on the encampment which they will have brought on themselves. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jacee Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) Occupy Quebec campers face eviction Showdown in a few hours? So the occupiers are now a public safety risk with their propane stoves, and have been evicted and have till the end of the day to leave……..But their General Assembly has voted in favour of staying put……Are we hours away from the first Canadian occupiers being introduced to tear gas and rubber bullets? You've been cheering for that from the beginning. Do you care about the issues at all, or just love to see young people attacked? You've failed to grasp that violent police attacks on peaceful protesters causes public outrage and strengthens the movement. There is no logical or legal reason for Vancouver to force an end to the Occupy Vancouver camp, city staff told Vancouver council Tuesday. Instead, evidence has shown that cities that roust Occupy protesters out invariably FAIL because protesters simply return stronger than before, City Manager Penny Ballem said.. (Emphasis added) Edited November 4, 2011 by jacee Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 You've been cheering for that from the beginning. Do you care about the issues at all, or just love to see young people attacked? Obviously you've failed to grasp is that violent police attacks on peaceful protesters causes public outrage and strengthens the movement. There is no logical or legal reason for Vancouver to force an end to the Occupy Vancouver camp, city staff told Vancouver council Tuesday. Instead, evidence has shown that cities that roust Occupy protesters out invariably FAIL because protesters simply return stronger than before, City Manager Penny Ballem said.. (Emphasis added) We shall see, the occupiers of Quebec City are about to get the boot………. Quote
Handsome Rob Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 You've been cheering for that from the beginning. Do you care about the issues at all, or just love to see young people attacked? Obviously you've failed to grasp is that violent police attacks on peaceful protesters causes public outrage and strengthens the movement. There is no logical or legal reason for Vancouver to force an end to the Occupy Vancouver camp, city staff told Vancouver council Tuesday. Instead, evidence has shown that cities that roust Occupy protesters out invariably FAIL because protesters simply return stronger than before, City Manager Penny Ballem said.. (Emphasis added) Occupy Canada cannot be compared to Occupy Wall Street. They're after completely different issues, OWS has large numbers of unyielding support, OC has little. I can't speak for Toronto/Ottawa/etc, but around Vancouver the consensus seems to be; They're sneered at, most want them out, few are prepared to make it a reality. Most of the faces at the Vancouver art gallery have been seen there before many times. Quote
dre Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 If they wanted public support rather than disdain, they would be accommodating and make suitable arrangements. Accommodation is the Canadian way isn't it? Not that difficult to move for a day. They certainly aren't helping themselves. Between that, asking for donations of clothing, food and blankets that the genuine homeless have legitimate need for, and the heroin overdose today, Occupy Vancouver has probably lost whatever last shred of public credibility they ever had. It doesnt need the kind of credibility you think it needs, and historically protests rarely do. Nor does it need the "cohesive objectives and goals" people keep accusing the Occupiers of not having. Protests are simply a clearinghouse for public rage. Whether this movement grows are not will depend entirely how much your average person is concerned about the way our financial system, banking system, and government operates. And the polls Iv seen suggest this DOES resonate. A large majority of people has the same kind of concerns that the occupiers have even if they arent the type of people to protest on the streets. You gotta understand, that the group out there protesting is not a group thats going to be coming up with any of the solutions to these problems. The very best that group can hope to do is create a spectacle and get people talking about this stuff. And so far it seems to be working. And the protests are not the only game in town. There will be lots of other things happening that start to expose the massive fraud that has been going on in the financial system. Like the debt crisis in Europe, or the frog marching of major players in the financial system in front of the SEC on fraud charges. Dont worry... this stuff is just getting started. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Handsome Rob Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 It doesnt need the kind of credibility you think it needs, and historically protests rarely do. Nor does it need the "cohesive objectives and goals" people keep accusing the Occupiers of not having. Protests are simply a clearinghouse for public rage. Whether this movement grows are not will depend entirely how much your average person is concerned about the way our financial system, banking system, and government operates. And the polls Iv seen suggest this DOES resonate. A large majority of people has the same kind of concerns that the occupiers have even if they arent the type of people to protest on the streets. You gotta understand, that the group out there protesting is not a group thats going to be coming up with any of the solutions to these problems. The very best that group can hope to do is create a spectacle and get people talking about this stuff. And so far it seems to be working. I don't agree at all. Whether it succeeds or fails will depend on how the public perceives it. And right now, in Canada, the public appears to be looking down at them with the 'get a job hippies' attitude. When the public supports them, we get Oakland & Manhattan. Big difference. In my eyes, as an observation and not a position, they've already failed. Quote
jacee Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 We shall see, the occupiers of Quebec City are about to get the boot………. You didn't even read the link you posted ...The city said it was considering how to clear the space, but the use of force did not appear to be among the options being weighed. "We don't want to turn them into martyrs," said city spokesman Jacques Perron. You see? You are totally out to lunch with your yearning for violence against these young people Derek. Obviously they have you very worried ... and that's a good thing !!! Quote
WWWTT Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Posted November 4, 2011 Well it looks like OCCUPY is becoming a protest that is starting to annoy the establishment,at least at the municipal level. Now the message that OCCUPY has bein trying to convey has allways bein clear to me.But it seems that the establishment claims that this protest has an unclear message.I guess the establishment approach is "hear no evil,don't have to do anything". But in my opinion thats about to change. When people turn on their TV every night and see ugly scenes play out in the cities,the protestors message will be fairly clear. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest Derek L Posted November 4, 2011 Report Posted November 4, 2011 Occupy Canada cannot be compared to Occupy Wall Street. They're after completely different issues, OWS has large numbers of unyielding support, OC has little. I can't speak for Toronto/Ottawa/etc, but around Vancouver the consensus seems to be; They're sneered at, most want them out, few are prepared to make it a reality. Most of the faces at the Vancouver art gallery have been seen there before many times. http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20111103/occupy-vancouver-becoming-a-fire-hazard-111103/ I'm watching the local global news right now, and the VPD & VFD are at the Art Gallery now, telling them to start clearing unoccupied tents, all fuel sources, tarps and garbage and they have till 10am tomorrow or the city will “do it for them”……. And this poll was just released and mentioned on Global: http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=5394 Support for Protest: 44% for 48% Against Views on timeline of campsite: 20% stay in place 40% give deadline 35% remove now 5% don't know Quote
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