OCCUPY

cybercoma · October 27, 2011

What no response to the videos/links of the banker giving those kids a lesson in economics? Is that crickets I hear???

Funny how these kids apparently need a lesson in economics, while Krugman, who is a Nobel-Prize winning economist, agrees with them. Crazy how that works, eh?

jacee · October 27, 2011

The Mohawk Warriors have joined Occupy Toronto and are planning a winter long bonfire in the park "to keep hearts warm".

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/10/26/bonfire-of-occupying-vanities-for-city

A lesson in flags ... Mohawk 'Warriors' (ie, all Mohawk men) wear a headdress with 3 feathers, reflected in their flag. The flag used by all Indigenous Peoples has one feather, signifying their Unity worldwide, and it is called the Unity flag.

I'm not surprised at this development. Corporate demands have influenced and profited from the theft and desecration of Indigenous land since European occupation of Canada began. So have we all.

As for removing protesters ... I think Mayors and politicians all over North America are paying close attention to what happened in Oakland.If you use violence against protesters, their support grows. There is no way to "remove" protesters without increasing their numbers, donation$ and strength.

It's NOT going to happen.

I guess the trick is for corporations, banks, wealthy profiteers and our governments NOT to piss people off in the first place. Democracy rules, and if governments cater to big business and money instead of the other 99% of the people, then democracy rules from the streets.

Edited October 27, 2011 by jacee

blueblood · October 27, 2011

Funny how these kids apparently need a lesson in economics, while Krugman, who is a Nobel-Prize winning economist, agrees with them. Crazy how that works, eh?

Friedman also has the nobel prize in economics as does either hayek or mises from the austrian school of economics, so what's your point?

Krugman is an idiot and his view of economics led us to this mess in the first place. Remember the banker talking to these kids acurately predicted the recession while other analysts laughed at him. Did krugman predict a recession of nasty proportions in 2006? Didn't think so. Quoting krugman on economics is like quoting lenin on democracy.

ToadBrother · October 27, 2011

No one ever said 99% are angry. The problem is that 99% are getting screwed and the majority of them are complacent.

Complacency is a choice, too.

jacee · October 27, 2011

No one ever said 99% are angry. The problem is that 99% are getting screwed and the majority of them are complacent.

Agreed ... but even "complacent" people are getting active enough to let their fingers do the walking and order takeout for the protesters. :lol:

Shwa · October 27, 2011

Thankyou for this example.

However the OCCUPY protest is not about just one single piece of legislation.

Can you provide any examples along the same lines as the G20,and any protests after the Arab spring?

WWWTT

Really? A protest by old people isn't good enough for you? Not into radical grannies?

Tell me what your exacting parameters are, don't be vague now, and I may - when I have some spare time - do a little research for you in order that you can see that sometimes protests, even with multiple issues involved, sometimes work.

In the meantime, here's one. By homosexuals no less. Operation Soap.

WWWTT · October 27, 2011

Really? A protest by old people isn't good enough for you? Not into radical grannies?

Tell me what your exacting parameters are, don't be vague now, and I may - when I have some spare time - do a little research for you in order that you can see that sometimes protests, even with multiple issues involved, sometimes work.

In the meantime, here's one. By homosexuals no less. Operation Soap.

Not into radical grannies?What are you freekin talking about man?

Anyways thankyou for the examples!

Please let me clarify the paramaters I am describing.

The G20 protest in my opinion was a protest about the finacial heads of the world dictating to the world how the pie is going to get divied up.Not easy to protest!And something the corporations don't want to hear!

Essentially what is being protested is the preferential treatment the corperations are getting.(OCCUPY)

Can you provide any examples similar?

And for the record-If a peacefull protest can be as effective as an ugly one,I would prefer the peacefull approach!

Oh and I forget to mention how this relates to the Arab spring.

I believe western governments are somewhat docile after the Arab spring in their approach to public protest for fear of looking like hypocrits!

WWWTT

cybercoma · October 27, 2011

Friedman also has the nobel prize in economics as does either hayek or mises from the austrian school of economics, so what's your point?

Krugman is an idiot and his view of economics led us to this mess in the first place. Remember the banker talking to these kids acurately predicted the recession while other analysts laughed at him. Did krugman predict a recession of nasty proportions in 2006? Didn't think so. Quoting krugman on economics is like quoting lenin on democracy.

I see. Since you don't agree with Krugman, he's an idiot and his policies got us into this mess. Nobel-prize winning economist is an idiot when it comes to economics. Got it. :rolleyes:

blueblood · October 27, 2011

I see. Since you don't agree with Krugman, he's an idiot and his policies got us into this mess. Nobel-prize winning economist is an idiot when it comes to economics. Got it.

Ill take my two nobel prize economists and banker who accurately predicted the financial crisis over your witch doctor with his nobel prize.

And yes he happens to be an idiot with a nobel prize, it happens.

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2011

unfortunately, in the states at least, the people know of only 2 parties and both parties have been corrupted by the lobby and special interest (corporate) groups.

...and unfortunately in Canada, some people know of only a very narrow and ignorant perspective for American politics, past, present, and future. There is more to the world than..."the states".

without money, other parties are unable to show themselves as alternatives to the two party system.

Hmmm....you have contradicted yourself. What other parties?

ToadBrother · October 28, 2011

Hmmm....you have contradicted yourself. What other parties?

It was explained to me that the reason whatever third parties there are would get the vote, except a good chunk of the 99% are complacent, though they do order chinese food for whatever percentage of the 99% aren't complacent. I'm getting a little confused as to which 99% is out on the streets and which 99% are sitting at home. I'm assuming that other 99% probably are trying to keep themselves from ending up living in city parks being angry.

I'm so confused. I can't figure out how many 99% there are. Maybe it's 198% on Saturdays and Sundays and after 5pm on weekdays.

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2011

....I'm so confused. I can't figure out how many 99% there are. Maybe it's 198% on Saturdays and Sundays and after 5pm on weekdays.

It's tough to get to 99% for anything...most people are still gutting it out the hard way instead of whining like a bunch of losers with too much time on their hands. To paraphrase Jesse Ventura from Predator, "They don't have time to bleed".

Shwa · October 28, 2011

Not into radical grannies?What are you freekin talking about man?

Come one, all those hippes grew old you know.

Anyways thankyou for the examples!
Please let me clarify the paramaters I am describing.

The G20 protest in my opinion was a protest about the finacial heads of the world dictating to the world how the pie is going to get divied up.Not easy to protest!And something the corporations don't want to hear!

Essentially what is being protested is the preferential treatment the corperations are getting.(OCCUPY)

And what do you think de-indexing pensions was all about? Freeing up a few bucks for more prisons?

Can you provide any examples similar?

ha, ha. Did you really think I would?

And for the record-If a peacefull protest can be as effective as an ugly one,I would prefer the peacefull approach!

Like the old Coke commercial right?

Oh and I forget to mention how this relates to the Arab spring.
I believe western governments are somewhat docile after the Arab spring in their approach to public protest for fear of looking like hypocrits!

Sure. Like in Britain this year. And recently in Rome and in Athens. Gotchya.

WWWTT · October 28, 2011

And what do you think de-indexing pensions was all about? Freeing up a few bucks for more prisons?

Like the old Coke commercial right?

Sure. Like in Britain this year. And recently in Rome and in Athens. Gotchya.

What does de-indexing pensions have to do with OCCUPY?

And what about the old Coke commercial?

And as far as Britain goes-yes they do look like hypocrites!Actually protests in Europe are much more common then in Canada or the US(deffinetely Canada).Thats my perception at least.Greece has bein going through this for some time and its not going to end in the foreseeable future.

WWWTT

blueblood · October 28, 2011

Couldn't hear him for his yelling. Want to give us a synopsis?

Here's the legit video, better than the cellphone bids.

This is what An attitude of entitlement yields.

dre · October 28, 2011

But I thought 99% of the people were angry. Surely, with that much anger, third parties wouldn't need to do much advertising at all.

The problem is that people are so dumbed down by political ideology they cant see whats going on. Both sides just direct their anger their ideological boogeyman of choice (Financial Sector for Occupy, and the Government for the Tea Party), and they blame each other. This makes them naturally slide back into those two convenient slots.

That is why anger at encumbants does not result in the rise of a third party. Its not because people particularly like the parties they have, its very much a structural thing.

The same thing will happen as Canadians get dumbed down by political ideology. We will have two parties as well soon, because mergers around the false but convenient left/right dichotomy will be seen as necessary to win that all important political culture war.

We sit here and have fierce political battles about whether its WallStreet or the governments financial apparatus that is to blame for the great recession, while the government and Walstreet laughs at us, and remains unscathed.

Philosophers have being trying to figure out a way to make to make the populations of democratic nations as inneffectual, and pliant as we are for a thousand years! Its a remarkable achievement... your decendants will be studying this in philosphy class for thousands of years to come.

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2011

...We sit here and have fierce political battles about whether its WallStreet or the governments financial apparatus that is to blame for the great recession, while the government and Walstreet laughs at us, and remains unscathed.

There is no fierce battle....there is no recession....most people are going about their business just as before. Canada has to import the angst from Europe or America just to work up a good lather.

jacee · October 28, 2011

Here's the legit video, better than the cellphone bids.

This is what An attitude of entitlement yields.

Occupy isn't about ideology.That's an oversimplification and a distraction.

It's about corporatism, pathological greed and power and its corruption of democracy AND corruption of the free market.

Entitlement?

How are 1% of Canadians 'entitled' to 40% of the wealth?

Edited October 28, 2011 by jacee

Shwa · October 28, 2011

What does de-indexing pensions have to do with OCCUPY?

It has to do with this:

The G20 de-indexing pensions protest in my opinion was a protest about the finacial heads of the world Canada dictating to the world pensioners how the pie is going to get divied up.

Just made a few changes.

And what about the old Coke commercial?

You don't remember the old Coke TV commercial, 'I'd Like to Teach The World to Sing?" The one with the hippies?

And as far as Britain goes-yes they do look like hypocrites!Actually protests in Europe are much more common then in Canada or the US(deffinetely Canada).Thats my perception at least.Greece has bein going through this for some time and its not going to end in the foreseeable future.

But my point is that western countries haven't been "docile" in dealing with protesters. They seem to be doing what they usually do.

Edited October 28, 2011 by Shwa

Shwa · October 28, 2011

Canada has to import the angst from Europe or America just to work up a good lather.

How would you know?

WWWTT · October 28, 2011

Just made a few changes.

You don't remember the old Coke TV commercial, 'I'd Like to Teach The World to Sing?" The one with the hippies?

Ohh I get it,this has something to do with your generation or a generation gap right?

Thats funny because most of the hippies turned into yuppies(or something like that).

Are you one too?

WWWTT

WWWTT · October 28, 2011

But my point is that western countries haven't been "docile" in dealing with protesters. They seem to be doing what they usually do.

I don't recall ever seeing a great amount of serious crackdown on OCCUPY protests?

There have bein crackdowns on "other" protests yes I agree but OCCUPY protests?

WWWTT

bush_cheney2004 · October 28, 2011

How would you know?

Easy...I know all about Canada...just like you know all about Europe and the US.

Isn't it great to be an expert?

blueblood · October 28, 2011

Occupy isn't about ideology.That's an oversimplification and a distraction.

It's about corporatism, pathological greed and power and its corruption of democracy AND corruption of the free market.

Entitlement?

How are 1% of Canadians 'entitled' to 40% of the wealth?

Have a good watch at the video...

THe 1% took risks, works hard, and creates wealth, that's why they have it. It's not voodoo or magic, it's just good old ingenuity and hard work. You guys want to take the incentive away from doing all of that, as a result everyone will be poorer.

"Why should I work for 30 cents on the dollar?"