Walking Dead or Boardwalk Empires

blueblood · October 21, 2011

As stated, attempts to include ad-skipping software have resulted in legal action. The networks have also opposed the proliferation of DVRs and have even called for them to be banned (see the part on the future of advertising here).

It appears that rather than generate ire from the people who consume their content, they are looking at restructuring the economic model and incorporating the ads right into the shows instead. The free ride will soon be over.

And how did that legal action go, dvr receivers are selling like hotcakes.

BubberMiley · October 21, 2011

And how did that legal action go, dvr receivers are selling like hotcakes.

The legal action prevented you from having access to software to automatically skip the ads. It was a small win for an industry that has suffered a pretty major setback.

CFL players even have hardware store ads on their jerseys, which looks terrible in my opinion. But you've got to take the money where you can get it. Better that than no CFL.

blueblood · October 21, 2011

The legal action prevented you from having access to software to automatically skip the ads. It was a small win for an industry that has suffered a pretty major setback.

CFL players even have hardware store ads on their jerseys, which looks terrible in my opinion. But you've got to take the money where you can get it. Better that than no CFL.

So that fast forward button on those dvr remotes is a figment of my imagination...

BubberMiley · October 21, 2011

So that fast forward button on those dvr remotes is a figment of my imagination...

Once again, it prevented software that would allow the PVR to automatically skip the ads. If they could have eliminated the fast forward button, they would have. The enormous loss in revenue they have suffered is not a figment of anyone's imagination.

Edited October 21, 2011 by BubberMiley

bush_cheney2004 · October 21, 2011

Nope....cable television and web ad revenue are up...not down. Broadcast television ad revenue is down because of several factors unrelated to "DVRs". Mobile devices will also get a larger piece of a growing pie.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/06/cable-television-gaining-in-advertising-revenue-but-not-political-dollars.html

Boges · October 21, 2011

I guess this is part of the debate about what Carriage fees are all about.

Networks want the cable companies to pay the them to show their content. I don't really want to see my cable bill go up again.

I think Networks will have to adapt to try and find revenue elsewhere because there's no putting the DVR toothpaste back in the tube. I couldn't watch TV without my DVR nowadays.

I still do watch ads. And most of the shows I DVR are big network shows like Big Bang Theory, CSI: Las Vegas, Walking Dead etc. The people that produce that content don't appear to have problems feeding their families.

Hydraboss · October 21, 2011

This is a stupid argument in any event. The thought of consumers being "sued" for refusing to watch commercials is ludicrous. Bubber has linked to a 40 page position paper from 2006 that shows one company that had to quit selling automatic commercial skipping software for a DVR.

Whoo hoo.

There is no law against skipping channels. There is no law against changing channels. There is no law against shutting the frickin tv off. This argument is a losing battle for that side. Let it go.

Now....

is anyone going to comment on the "get a new motorhome" idea? How about a silencer for some of those guns? (can be made with a pop bottle, a rag/insulation, and some duct tape if necessary) And going back to season 1, why the hell are people sleeping in tents? Sleep in the damn vehicles if there are dead people walking around. I would. And steal some better vehicles...every one of those cars and suv's on the highway in the season 2 premiere had the frickin keys in it.

Is this really rocket science?

Boges · October 21, 2011

[quote name='Hydraboss' date='21 October 2011 - 07:30 AM'

is anyone going to comment on the "get a new motorhome" idea? How about a silencer for some of those guns? (can be made with a pop bottle, a rag/insulation, and some duct tape if necessary) And going back to season 1, why the hell are people sleeping in tents? Sleep in the damn vehicles if there are dead people walking around. I would. And steal some better vehicles...every one of those cars and suv's on the highway in the season 2 premiere had the frickin keys in it.

Is this really rocket science?

In the comic book they do go to a gun store, not sure how widely available silencers are though. And when they are forced to leave a gated community they thought was safe they all stayed in the mobile home which was kinda of hard for them all to fit in.

Until of course they reach the farm that should be highlighted in this coming Sunday's episode.

I think the bigger question about the cars on the road is what killed the people inside them. It clearly wasn't the zombies. I see some wider story at play here.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Boges

BubberMiley · October 21, 2011

Broadcast television ad revenue is down because of several factors unrelated to "DVRs".

Just because you say it's unrelated to DVRs, doesn't make it so. Especially when the real world evidence indicates the contrary.

The thought of consumers being "sued" for refusing to watch commercials is ludicrous.

No one said they are being sued. I`m saying skipping the commercials goes against the terms of use. Pay attention.

It seems to me that the truly `stupid argument` is that content creators are fine with the loss of revenue and are willing to just happily accept it. Especially when, once again, all evidence points to the contrary.

bush_cheney2004 · October 21, 2011

Just because you say it's unrelated to DVRs, doesn't make it so.

You are excluding the other factors which was my intent...nice try. Modern media alternatives are squeezing out broadcast television's audience share, regardless of DVRs.

No one said they are being sued. I`m saying skipping the commercials goes against the terms of use. Pay attention.

It seems to me that the truly `stupid argument` is that content creators are fine with the loss of revenue and are willing to just happily accept it.

There are no such advertising terms for private use of subscription or broadcast content. You are making things up just to bolster a silly argument. My Sony remote actually has a button labeled "Comm Skip"...and it works.

Edited October 21, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

BubberMiley · October 21, 2011

There are no such advertising terms for private use of subscription or broadcast content. You are making things up just to bolster a silly argument. My Sony remote actually has a button labeled "Comm Skip"...and it works.

You're still unwilling to address why content creators argued that allowing software to automatically skip the ads was a copyright infringement? Was that a "silly argument" too?

Hydraboss · October 21, 2011

Yep, it was a silly argument. And that's why...........there's no law against BC's "commercial skip" button on his remote. And why PVR's can still skip channels. And why I can buy a dvd boxed set without commercials - the content creators are free to only release on media that is sold outright (BR or dvd) if they feel they're being "ripped off". Content creators are paid for their content by broadcasters/cable. Broadcasters/cable are paid by advertisers. Advertisers are free to either pay for commercial slots or not.

By the way, I downloaded all of season 1 from torrents - and they all have the "AMC" watermark on the screen. Didn't want to pay $40 for six episodes................................and the uploader nicely clipped all the commercials out.

Cool.

bush_cheney2004 · October 21, 2011

You're still unwilling to address why content creators argued that allowing software to automatically skip the ads was a copyright infringement? Was that a "silly argument" too?

Yes...as described above, content creators are compensated by networks, not advertisers. Infomercials actually pay networks for time slots to air their "content". You gots nothing here....

Boges · October 21, 2011

By the way, I downloaded all of season 1 from torrents - and they all have the "AMC" watermark on the screen. Didn't want to pay $40 for six episodes................................and the uploader nicely clipped all the commercials out.

Cool.

Well you're simply worse than Hitler.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Boges

Boges · October 21, 2011

Yeah Bubber I think you're confusing Content Creators with the Network.

The only content Networks create are news and sports, which are things that aren't often DVR'd.

BubberMiley · October 21, 2011

Yes...as described above, content creators are compensated by networks, not advertisers. Infomercials actually pay networks for time slots to air their "content". You gots nothing here....

I agree that when you're faced with a question you don't want to answer, it's best to nit-pick semantics and try to change the subject.

BubberMiley · October 21, 2011

By the way, I downloaded all of season 1 from torrents - and they all have the "AMC" watermark on the screen. Didn't want to pay $40 for six episodes................................and the uploader nicely clipped all the commercials out.

And did you have the same dirty feeling as when you watch the show on your PVR and skip the ads?

bush_cheney2004 · October 21, 2011

I agree that when you're faced with a question you don't want to answer, it's best to nit-pick semantics and try to change the subject.

We've already answered your silly questions(s) and you just don't like the answer. If you want to be a dolt and sit through ads each and every time be our guest, but please keep such stupidity to yourself. Even Manitoba can't be that bad in winter!

BubberMiley · October 21, 2011

We've already answered your silly questions(s) and you just don't like the answer.

A response is not an answer. You completely avoided the question. The reason you can't have software to automatically skip the ads is because the content owners believe that creating a new derivation of the content without ads is a copyright infringement. That doesn't mean the copyright police will be at your door, but so what? They likely won't be at Hydraboss's door for torrenting either.

So go ahead and skip the ads, but don't pretend you are doing so righteously.

bush_cheney2004 · October 21, 2011

A response is not an answer. You completely avoided the question. The reason you can't have software to automatically skip the ads is because the content owners believe that creating a new derivation of the content without ads is a copyright infringement.

You mean like ComSkip, as described here:

http://www.kaashoek.com/comskip/

Nope...sure can't have it...it's just a figment of my imagination. Same thing for Windows 7 Media Center....it just doesn't exist. LOL!

That doesn't mean the copyright police will be at your door, but so what? They likely won't be at Hydraboss's door for torrenting either. So go ahead and skip the ads, but don't pretend you are doing so righteously.

Nobody does...we're just skipping commercials. It's not the big deal you think it is. But at least it keeps you off the streets. Now you be sure to watch all of the commercials from start to finish, ya hear?

Edited October 22, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

BubberMiley · October 22, 2011

I believe you can't even manually skip commercials in Windows Media Center, never mind automatically skip them.

Sometimes I skip chapters in a book, but then I lose track of what's going on.

bush_cheney2004 · October 22, 2011

I believe you can't even manually skip commercials in Windows Media Center, never mind automatically skip them.

Sometimes I skip chapters in a book, but then I lose track of what's going on.

Again...you would be wrong. I think we have found the depth of your experience (or lack thereof) in such matters.

Keep your day job.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/12486/how-to-skip-commercials-in-windows-7-media-center/

BubberMiley · October 22, 2011

Again...you would be wrong.

Actually, you're wrong. That's a third-party hack and not part of the Windows Media Center package. I thought you were more computer-literate than that. :lol:

bush_cheney2004 · October 22, 2011

Actually, you're wrong. That's a third-party hack and not part of the Windows Media Center package. I thought you were more computer-literate than that.

Nope...you didn't even know the application existed, let alone that it can automagically remove commercials. So not only can we have such software, and use such software, there is nothing your righteous claim can do about it as it is PERFECTLY LEGAL for personal use.

You are not doing well....

BubberMiley · October 22, 2011

I completely agree that the DVR cat is already out of the bag and that there's nothing to be done to put it back. Content owners are now forced to adapt their means of generating revenue and create a new model that will likely integrate ads into programming more and more. There is even research into providing TV ads in a custom stream tailored to the individual consumer, much like Google does.

But as to it being PERFECTLY LEGAL to create derivations of copyrighted works that amount to a new edit of the material, no, it's not. Not even close. You really think just because software is available, that makes it perfectly legal to use it? If so, there are a million torrent downloaders suddenly absolved of their sins.

But it appears the content providers are giving up on fighting it in court as they realize the fight is unwinnable, and are looking at new ways of generating revenue.

Edited October 22, 2011 by BubberMiley