DogOnPorch Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 GH: I guess you missed the part where I said the first mistake was causing terror. No...that was the part I was making fun of. Like terrorism is an accident. Akmed: Ooooops! [KABOOM] (bomb goes off) Akmed: Sorry! My bad! Ever have one of those Mondays?? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 Again for the record, the Gaza bit has been cleared up, but waste more time on it please. I have admitted I was incorrect, but yes, please feel free to point that out. don't let this dishonest racist piece of waste bully you. israel is still occupying gaza under international law. they still have control over the air, the coastline, the borders and reserve the right to launch incursions at will. israel also continues to wield overwhelming power over the territory’s economy and its access to trade. this is an occupation. article 42 of the hague convention (on regulations concerning the laws and customs of war on land) states: Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
GostHacked Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) No...that was the part I was making fun of. For what purpose? Edited October 20, 2011 by GostHacked Quote
GostHacked Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 don't let this dishonest racist piece of waste bully you. We knew what type of person we were dealing with, within a few of Bob's posts. Quote
guyser Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) This whole thing smells horrible. Israel pats itself on the back for getting Gilad back- Good news Israel pats itself on the back for securing a soldier back to his homeland, as PM crows we will protect our soldiers._good news Israel releases 1000+ criminals including murderers. Lets take a cautious approach and say 10 of the released will kill again....and kill soldiers.-Bad news So....why celebrate the fact that more soldiers (and surely citizens)will die because of the released Pali's. First rule is dont negotiate with kidnappers/abducters. No soldier is worth 1000+ imprisoned criminals (save for his family) , especially when you know more of your own will die because of this release. Seems kind of dumb to me. Edited October 20, 2011 by guyser Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 Large numbers have been exchanged for a few in the past...including brutal murderers welcomed as heros. This isn't a new scenario. I suppose it serves Israel a few advantages: 1. No more feeding/housing these clowns. 2. Injecting them back into Arab society might goad Hamas and Fatah (etc) to show their true colours in some very public ways. The more Hamas is in the news, the more its connection with Syria and Iran (and worse) become harder to ignore in the West...even to the buds out there. While some posters here might go 'meh' re: a massive party throw by the Palestinian Arabs for murderers...others...most I assume...are suitably disgusted. 3. The ball is in the Arab court and the Merkavas have bellies full of fuel and ammo. I wonder how long rocket fire will be tolerated this time? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 For what purpose? To point out your apologetic language, I suppose. Terrorism isn't a 'mistake'; it is a 'deliberate act'. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BC_chick Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 The conflict will never end so long as Israel continues to elect governments that let themselves be hamstrung by the world's expectations. If Israel really cared about the world's expectations there would be no more settlement building in occupied/disputed territories. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
BC_chick Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 For those who go on and on about how evil Zionist Israel is, say now, do tell me who just sent out the message that Palestinian terrorists are so worthless, 1,300 of them equate to one Israeli? It was Hamas. Hamas could have said, one of our people is the exact value of an Israeli-they chose instead to devalue their worth by insisting on 1,300 for 1. In the short term it buys them some giggles in the long term? You think the average Palestinian didn't and doesn't understand they are expendable meaningless numbers to Hamas? True, but as others pointed out, Hamas now thinks they can get whatever they want as long as they keep taking Israeli soldiers. I honestly don't know what I would do if I were an Israeli politician. Unfortunately, it's really a lose-lose situation. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bud Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 israel's expansionism which includes the illegal settlements increase the security threat more than releasing people who fight (some illegally) against the occupier. the freed prisoners didn't decide to kill or try to kill because they hate jews. they did it because they're trying to defend their land. many of them are no different than the IDF soldiers who kill civilians. both are guilty. lets not forget that terrorism bob, bonam and the rest of propagandists hypocritically cry about was also used by jews before israel became a state. in fact, a leader of one of the jewish terrorist groups, ended up becoming israel's prime minister. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Bob Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Posted October 20, 2011 This whole thing smells horrible. Israel pats itself on the back for getting Gilad back- Good news Israel pats itself on the back for securing a soldier back to his homeland, as PM crows we will protect our soldiers._good news Israel releases 1000+ criminals including murderers. Lets take a cautious approach and say 10 of the released will kill again....and kill soldiers.-Bad news So....why celebrate the fact that more soldiers (and surely citizens)will die because of the released Pali's. First rule is dont negotiate with kidnappers/abducters. No soldier is worth 1000+ imprisoned criminals (save for his family) , especially when you know more of your own will die because of this release. Seems kind of dumb to me. On the one hand of this hostage negotiation, we have the guaranteed return of Gilad Shalit. On the other hand of the negotiation, we have the risk of these terrorist rats being successful in inevitable future attempts at murdering Jews and other Israelis, as they will mostly resume their support for mass murder and terrorism to the best of their abilities. What's important to remember is that these released terrorists do not represent some sort of finite human resource for the infrastructure of terrorism - there is no shortage of willing "Palestinians" and other Muslims from the broader Muslim collective who wish to murder Jews. Israel's security measures remain constant, whether or not these 1027 terrorists are in or out of jail. As an analogy, a paramedic doesn't retire after he or she has saved X amount of people, because the need for emergency medical response is a constant (well, a growing constant). Terrorism and willing recruits, similarly, is not impacted in a meaningful way by the release of these 1027 terrorists, as there is no shortage of demand for terrorism and no shortage of supply of willing Jihadis. At worst, this deal is a miscarriage of justice, but not really a significant increase in threat to the Jewish people or Israel. The threat remains constant. It was certainly no an easy decision for Netanyahu, but he weighed the value of the certainty of Shalit's return against the risk of increased victimization from these released terrorists in the future. The nature of living in a neighbourhood populated almost entirely of violent, inferior, hate-filled societies leads to being forced into making tough decisions. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Bob Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) True, but as others pointed out, Hamas now thinks they can get whatever they want as long as they keep taking Israeli soldiers. I honestly don't know what I would do if I were an Israeli politician. Unfortunately, it's really a lose-lose situation. You seem to think that somehow this recent deal emboldens Hamas and increases their motivation to continue to carry out abduction attempts against Jews and other Israelis. Their motivation has been as high as possible for decades, and the strategy of terrorism (including hostage-taking) precedes Hamas by decades. It's been a part of the Muslim-terrorist playbook for many decades. There is nothing Israel can do to increase their motivation for terrorism further, they've been amped up and climaxing on bloodthirstiness for over a century, now. The recent hero's welcome extended to the the released mass murderers is just a recent example of a pattern that's been around for a very long time. Edited October 20, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
BC_chick Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 bud, if you're unable to see the Israeli POV of any issue, what's the difference other than which team you're cheering for? We can keep going back to 'why' things happen given that the whole situation has become a circle of violence, but neither side is without blame. Israel was in a rock and a hard place on this one. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Bob Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Posted October 20, 2011 israel's expansionism which includes the illegal settlements increase the security threat more than releasing people who fight (some illegally) against the occupier. the freed prisoners didn't decide to kill or try to kill because they hate jews. they did it because they're trying to defend their land. many of them are no different than the IDF soldiers who kill civilians. both are guilty. lets not forget that terrorism bob, bonam and the rest of propagandists hypocritically cry about was also used by jews before israel became a state. in fact, a leader of one of the jewish terrorist groups, ended up becoming israel's prime minister. You do a great job of putting on display what much of us already know - the perverted morality of the left and the "pro-Palestinian" crowd. The moral equivalence drawn between the Israeli soldier and the Islamic terrorist tells us everything we need to know. Beyond that, you eagerly obfuscate the motivations for the mass murder of the terrorists. According to you, they don't hate Jews (despite the mountains of indications that they do, easily available to anyone who wishes to see it), they just hate Israel. I guess videos like this are somehow taken of context, eh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fic15V8ChE Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
BC_chick Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) According to you, they don't hate Jews (despite the mountains of indications that they do, easily available to anyone who wishes to see it), they just hate Israel. Pffft, as if your side is devoid of those who hate Muslims vs. those who hate "Palestinians". Heck, with a couple of exceptions, almost all the pro-Israeli posters on this forum have a negative view of Muslims. Palestinians are not fighting for their land, they're fighting because that's what Muslims do, no? OTOH, as far as this forum is concerned, I have yet to see "Jewishness" being referred to as the reason for Israeli actions. Of course, anti-semites criticise Israel too, but I'm talking about this forum only. Edited October 20, 2011 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Bob Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Posted October 20, 2011 There is absolutely no comparison to be made between Jewish societies and Muslim societies with respect to who is more consumed with hatred and subscribing to false political and historical narratives, specifically in the Israeli/"Palestinian" contexts. Good luck finding a plethora of videos of Jews advocating for murder of Muslims as I've shown above. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
GostHacked Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 To point out your apologetic language, I suppose. Terrorism isn't a 'mistake'; it is a 'deliberate act'. Ok which is the lesser of the two "mistakes". A terrorist blowing up a bus, or Israel releasing said terrorist knowing that person could commit again? As if you'll answer this directly. Come on doggy!!! If you answer I got a treat for you! Come here boy!! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 Ok which is the lesser of the two "mistakes". A terrorist blowing up a bus, or Israel releasing said terrorist knowing that person could commit again? As if you'll answer this directly. Come on doggy!!! If you answer I got a treat for you! Come here boy!! The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Too bad, these were the real expensive treats too. Best of the best. Quote
bud Posted October 20, 2011 Report Posted October 20, 2011 (edited) bud, if you're unable to see the Israeli POV of any issue, what's the difference other than which team you're cheering for? i believe anyone who targets civilians is a criminal. i don't think the criminals who went through due process and were found to be guilty should have been released. this doesn't mean that i will sit here and try to discuss the situation through a simplistic narrative without looking at the real picture. We can keep going back to 'why' things happen given that the whole situation has become a circle of violence, but neither side is without blame. Israel was in a rock and a hard place on this one. of course. israel was in a difficult situation. i believe this is an opportunity to discuss situation and look at the matter from a deeper perspective. contrary to what keeps being repeated, not all the prisoners are guilty. many prisoners didn't really receive a fair trial. i keep seeing blanket statements like: "1000 terrorists and murderers" and no one cares to challenge these comments. i also have a need to point out, that the very same people who are so bothered by a group of people getting away with murder, are the same people who justify and condone illegal acts that have resulted in the death of civilians committed by another group of people. Edited October 20, 2011 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bud Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 There is absolutely no comparison to be made between Jewish societies and Muslim societies with respect to who is more consumed with hatred and subscribing to false political and historical narratives, specifically in the Israeli/"Palestinian" contexts. Good luck finding a plethora of videos of Jews advocating for murder of Muslims as I've shown above. good luck? more? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Bob Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Posted October 21, 2011 Nothing offensive in those videos, whatsoever. If you think the above two videos you posted above represent even a shred of the sickness you can find over at, say, MEMRITV, you're certainly continuing to display your commitment to dishonesty - trying to draw a moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas, and between Jews/Israelis and Arabs/Muslims. There is no parallel to be drawn. The moral high ground has always been and will always be ours. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
jbg Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 The fact that pizza parlor bombers were released shows the need for a death penalty. Without the death penalty these prisoners make juicy ransom bait. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 Nothing offensive in those videos, whatsoever. Nope...the people are talking about Hamas being wiped out but editing has taken care of that context to make it sound like a so-called call to genocide. I see nothing wrong with eliminating Hamas to the last terrorist. As for watching a war...lots of folks would and have watched airstrikes (et al). At First Bull Run in 1861, the Union set up bleachers for spectators to watch the defeat of the Reb army...too bad they lost...lol. The rout back to Washington DC was apparently quite colourful. At the Battle of Watling Street circa 60 AD, Boudicca also set up seating for Briton families in order to watch her crush 3 Roman legions. The Romans won and proceeded to butcher every man woman and child present. Had Hamas won a glorious victory over the hated Zionist swine, I'm sure those young ladies would end up as Hamas war booty doomed to a life of captivity. But I'm sure the terrorist apologists will think and say otherwise. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 Too bad, these were the real expensive treats too. Best of the best. It's not my fault if you're too daft to get Yeats' message. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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