So Gilad Shalit is being returned to Israel.

[GostHacked]

It's not my fault if you're too daft to get Yeats' message.

It's not my fault you can't answer a question.

[DogOnPorch]

It's not my fault you can't answer a question.

But I did. You're just too slow.

[GostHacked]

But I did. You're just too slow.

So what was your answer?

[DogOnPorch]

So what was your answer?

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

But, since you were listening to Annie Mac or some shirt during English Lit, I didn't expect you to understand it. Apparently I was correct.

[GostHacked]

The best lack all conviction, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

But, since you were listening to Annie Mac or some shirt during English Lit, I didn't expect you to understand it. Apparently I was correct.

Never heard of Annie Mac. I did not pay attention in school very much at all. Hated it really.

But you still really have not answered the question. I'll keep drilling you till you quit the thread or give me an answer, instead of waxing something someone else said.

[DogOnPorch]

Never heard of Annie Mac. I did not pay attention in school very much at all. Hated it really.

But you still really have not answered the question. I'll keep drilling you till you quit the thread or give me an answer, instead of waxing something someone else said.

No sh*t Sherlock.

As for Annie...she's the main dance/dub step/etc DJ on BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006wqdc

[bud]

Nothing offensive in those videos, whatsoever.

that's if you're deranged, sick and find the call for flattening cities and mass murdering people including children to be okay.

[bud]

Nope...the people are talking about Hamas being wiped out but editing has taken care of that context to make it sound like a so-called call to genocide.

no DOP. you are lying again.

she said, without any editing:

israeli woman: "they chose hamas to rule them. it's their fault. they got it to where it is now, not us."

reporter: "but don't you think it will get worse by bombing them?"

israeli woman: "no. i think that's the only solution. i think they should just clear off all the city. just take it off the ground. yes, i'm a little fascist."

you are as sick and disgusting as bob.

[GostHacked]

No sh*t Sherlock.

As for Annie...she's the main dance/dub step/etc DJ on BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006wqdc

Oh cool, maybe I'll give her a listen. I've been getting into dubstep, provides interesting mixing possibilities over that of my usual house/electro/trance sets.

But, since you were listening to Annie Mac or some shirt during English Lit, I didn't expect you to understand it. Apparently I was correct.

I see what you did there. Saying I did not pay attention in school, which I admited, but this person was not doing that kind of music when I was in school. So irrelevant anyways. And you still fail to answer the question.

[Bob]

that's if you're deranged, sick and find the call for flattening cities and mass murdering people including children to be okay.

I guess the bombings of Dresden and Berlin were also "mass murder". Hiroshima and Nagasaki were "war crimes" too, right?

I wish Israel had the political will to actually do what's necessary. You don't negotiate with terrorists, you smash them over an anvil until there's nothing left. Break their backs, crush their hearts, and destroy their homes. Unfortunately, Israel has long subscribed to a policy of appeasement and "humanitarian" concerns, perpetuating the conflict indefinitely and allowing the enemy to hide behind its civilian shields.

[Bob]

Here are the "innocent civilians", including the "innocent" women and children (who are also part of the infrastructure of terrorism) that bud is crying crocodile tears over.

I find it amusing how bud regularly invoked "children", as if children in Gaza are inherently innocent. Yeah, it's not like 12-year-olds are part of the terrorist network serving as scouts, or 15-year-olds are shooting IDF soldiers, or 17-year-olds blowing themselves up in Israel murdering Jews and other Israelis. Somehow, if you're under 18, you're magically innocent.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Bob

[GostHacked]

I guess the bombings of Dresden and Berlin were also "mass murder". Hiroshima and Nagasaki were "war crimes" too, right?

Yes.

I wish Israel had the political will to actually do what's necessary. You don't negotiate with terrorists, you smash them over an anvil until there's nothing left.

You also don't release known criminals, another thing to get upset at your jewel that is Israel.

[jbg]

I guess the bombings of Dresden and Berlin were also "mass murder". Hiroshima and Nagasaki were "war crimes" too, right?

If a Western country wins, in the book of bud/jacee/naomi glover, dub etc. it's a "war crime". If it's a massacre such as September 11 or Lockerbie, it's either an act of liberation or the proceeds of justifiable anger.

I wish Israel had the political will to actually do what's necessary. You don't negotiate with terrorists, you smash them over an anvil until there's nothing left. Break their backs, crush their hearts, and destroy their homes. Unfortunately, Israel has long subscribed to a policy of appeasement and "humanitarian" concerns, perpetuating the conflict indefinitely and allowing the enemy to hide behind its civilian shields.

I'm sadly moving slowly to that conclusion.

[Bob]

I'm sadly moving slowly to that conclusion.

We're not dealing with civilized people, here. Can you imagine sitting down with Hitler and offering him a compromise? "Ok, Herr Hitler, what if we allow you to control 25% of Europe instead of all of it? We've already got the green light from many European countries who are willing to surrender portions of their territory that will total to 25% of Europe. And before you even ask, yes, the territory is contiguous. And as far as the Jewish Question, what if you only murder 75% of them and not all of them? Is that acceptable, Herr Hitler?"

By the way, did you read GostHacked response above, where he described the bombings of Dresden and Berlin as "war crimes"? This is typical leftism, where it's better to be dead and a "saint" than alive and a "war criminal". The mentality of the left with respect to these issues is that violence is always wrong. So if I get assaulted by someone with a knife, and I defend my life and kill the assailant, I am not the criminal and the assailant is now the victim. More broadly, America is now the aggressor after it defends itself when attacked.

[bud]

We're not dealing with civilized people, here.

you are uncivilized.

you call for the ethnic cleansing of people.

now you are echoing and advocating the bombing and flattening of palestinian cities.

you sick, sick person.

[bud]

I'm sadly moving slowly to that conclusion.

so now you are advocating the bombing and flattening of palestinian cities and murdering people?

jbg's transition and mutation on mapleleafweb:

radical leftist lawyer -> true progressive -> true fascist

[DogOnPorch]

If Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes, how would GH feel about invading Japan? They were planning on using up to 7 A-Bombs to push that wee campaign along. Or would President GH just allow Japan to keep its gains and call it a day re: WW2?

The pro-Arab crowd seems very confused when it comes to these sorts of things. Lost the last war? Ask for a do-over. They want Israel to give up the ground they won...but are just the opposite when it comes to things like South Viet-Nam or East Prussia. I don't see any flotillas to Saigo...er...Ho Chi Mihn City demanding the return of the RSVN. Heck no. And that took place AFTER the 6 Day War and the much touted UN 242. They're more than willing to accept that North Viet-Nam won that war and took South Viet-nam as their own by FORCE. Nor do I see any convoys to Danzig...pardon...Gdansk...demanding what the Germans lost to Poland be given back. Why is that? But terror supporters like a few posting here don't give an answer. They deflect. Not that they understand history anyways.

[jbg]

The pro-Arab crowd seems very confused when it comes to these sorts of things. Lost the last war? Ask for a do-over.

They don't understand much about the state of female, gay and bi-sexual rights in that part of the world either.

[DogOnPorch]

They don't understand much about the state of female, gay and bi-sexual rights in that part of the world either.

Well, they've not read Clausewitz it seems.

[Bob]

Well, they've not read Clausewitz it seems.

I knew you'd not get a response to your historical reference. You're speaking about things way beyond GostHacked's and bud's combines knowledge, and perhaps even their capabilities to comprehend or examine honestly.

Edited October 23, 2011 by Bob

[GostHacked]

I knew you'd not get a response to your historical reference. You're speaking about things way beyond GostHacked's and bud's combines knowledge, and perhaps even their capabilities to comprehend or examine honestly.

Keep it up guys, you have a huge chance to really show how dumb and ignorant I really am. School me. School us all!!

[DogOnPorch]

Keep it up guys, you have a huge chance to really show how dumb and ignorant I really am. School me. School us all!!

OK...why not respond to the 'Why should Arabs get a do-over when the rest of us do not' (see: South Viet-Nam...or lack there-of) line of thought?

[GostHacked]

OK...why not respond to the 'Why should Arabs get a do-over when the rest of us do not' (see: South Viet-Nam...or lack there-of) line of thought?

Well, if I do not have the answer, I will indicate such, or simply not respond.

[DogOnPorch]

Well, if I do not have the answer, I will indicate such, or simply not respond.

Well...why are you for giving land back to the aggressors in the Israeli-Arab situation? You aren't into giving land back to Germany and you've accepted that South Viet-Nam lost to North Viet-Nam. Right?

[GostHacked]

Well...why are you for giving land back to the aggressors in the Israeli-Arab situation? You aren't into giving land back to Germany and you've accepted that South Viet-Nam lost to North Viet-Nam. Right?

We need to treat these situations differently in my view. To me there really is no way to compare them. We can look at similarities in each situation, but for the most part, we need to treat them differently. So in the end really I do not have an answer for that.

Another good question is why Israel is opposed to the Palestinians having their own country? We keep going through this, but even if they were to pull an Israel and say 'We are here this is Palestine, recognize us!', would Israel object?

But there is a benefit to Israel by keeping them under an occupation right?