SCC ruling: Insite to stay open

[cybercoma]

Resources should be concentrated on drug counseling and recovery programs.

They should be concentrated on drug counselling and recovery programs, as long as it's not Insite, the most effective counselling and recovery program there has ever been in this country.

[Shwa]

did not realize Insite sourced via criminal organizations - cite please.

It's part of the unreported crime statistics.

[CitizenX]

Resources should be concentrated on drug counseling and recovery programs. And I mean lots of resources, much more than we are spending now.

Drug injection sites look to me like a bandaid solution and don't do much to transform addicts into productive citizens. What safe drug injection sites do is make the do-gooders feel good.

drug counseling and recovery programs is what these sites are about. This and a safe place with clean needles.

[capricorn]

What a ridiculous assertion. Insite does not provide drugs.

I wasn't speaking of Insite nor did I even mention it. I'm saying this ruling paves the way for safe injection sites in prisons. Will you deny that there is a serious drug addiction within the prison population? Inmates can now argue that incarcerated drug addicts should receive the same services as those offered at those sites. In light of this SCoC I'm betting they would win that argument.

[Bryan]

Data Please....Gut feelings don't count

Where do the drugs come from? Ignoring reality doesn't count.

[Black Dog]

Resources should be concentrated on drug counseling and recovery programs. And I mean lots of resources, much more than we are spending now.

Insite offers drug counseling and recovery programs.

Drug injection sites look to me like a bandaid solution and don't do much to transform addicts into productive citizens. What safe drug injection sites do is make the do-gooders feel good.

Just wondering: how did you manage to arrive at your conclusion, given it is exactly the opposite of the reality as shown by the evidence?

[CitizenX]

I'm saying this ruling paves the way for safe injection sites in prisons. Will you deny that there is a serious drug addiction within the prison population? Inmates can now argue that incarcerated drug addicts should receive the same services as those offered at those sites. In light of this SCoC I'm betting they would win that argument.

Absolute apples and oranges. Never going to happen.

[CitizenX]

Just wondering: how did you manage to arrive at your conclusion, given it is exactly the opposite of the reality as shown by the evidence?

More gut feelings on his part Black dog.

[fellowtraveller]

Drug injection sites look to me like a bandaid solution and don't do much to transform addicts into productive citizens. What safe drug injection sites do is make the do-gooders feel good.

Nope.

What drug injection sites do is give addicts a better chance of being alive long enough to be rehabilitated.

If that makes anybody else feel better aboput themselves, bonus!

But that fact alone is enough to make Insite worthwhile.

You cannot help a dead junkie recover enough to have some semblance of a productive life.

Insite can help some of them do just that, simply by staying alive.

That is enough for me.

[WWWTT]

The unelected overruling the elected. Nice system we have here.

I think you meant to say "The unelected educated,experienced and informed overruling the uneducated knee jerk reactionary elected"

WWWTT

[CitizenX]

I think you meant to say "The unelected educated,experienced and informed overruling the uneducated knee jerk reactionary elected"

Closing Vancouver's Insite drug clinic would violate Charter of Rights, top court rules

individual rights trumps the wishes of the elected.

[waldo]

I think you meant to say "The unelected educated,experienced and informed overruling the uneducated knee jerk reactionary elected"

of course, capricorn fails to recognize the, as you say, "unelected educated,experienced and informed... as appointed by the elected... overruling the uneducated knee jerk reactionary elected"

[ToadBrother]

Add this to the long list of leftard activist decisions by Canada's judicial system.

The government has a responsibility to provide benefits for criminals? What's next? Hotel rooms for rapists?

Because, of course, throwing them all in jail has proven so successful south of the border.

This program has actually had a positive effect. And you'd throw that away because of some ideological stupidity?

[Bryan]

Because, of course, throwing them all in jail has proven so successful south of the border.

This program has actually had a positive effect. And you'd throw that away because of some ideological stupidity?

Ideological stupidity is believing that facilitating criminal activity is a positive effect.

There are countries who deal with drugs much more harshly than the U.S, and they have much better results.

[guyser]

Ideological stupidity is believing that facilitating criminal activity is a positive effect.

Er...no

Stupidity is stopping something that is proving to return good results simply because some toady has a burr up his arse about Insite.

There are countries who deal with drugs much more harshly than the U.S, and they have much better results.

Quite true, but Canada doesnt want to shoot them on the street and dump thier carcass in a landfill.

Hey maybe we could try that? Sound good?

[ToadBrother]

Ideological stupidity is believing that facilitating criminal activity is a positive effect.

It is having a positive effect. The provincial and municipal governments are onside, as are the local police.

There are countries who deal with drugs much more harshly than the U.S, and they have much better results.

If you're willing to toss any notion of civil liberties out the door, yes, you can jail or imprison everyone involved. Do you consider that a solution? And how do you propose to pay for that, and in pure economic terms, would it make more sense than just offering injection clinics?

[Black Dog]

Ideological stupidity is believing that facilitating criminal activity is a positive effect.

And the number one facilitator of criminal activity is prohibition itself. Hmm.

[capricorn]

Nope.

What drug injection sites do is give addicts a better chance of being alive long enough to be rehabilitated.

Would we supply smoking addicts cigarettes for as long as it took for them to quit? I've read cigarette addiction is just as bad, if not worse, as a heroin addiction. We've come down hard on smokers with smoking bans and higher taxation yet tobacco is not an illegal product. We've turned smokers into second class citizens because they can't beat their addiction. But it's OK to enable injecting drugs that are illegal to help the addicts stay alive.

[Guest American Woman]

Where do the drugs come from? Ignoring reality doesn't count.

They bring their own drugs, so the drugs must come from drug dealers.

[CitizenX]

Would we supply smoking addicts cigarettes for as long as it took for them to quit?

But it's OK to enable injecting drugs that are illegal to help the addicts stay alive.

Who is supplying drug user's Drugs? What the hell are you talking about? Do you ever try to understand the issues before you comment?

And yes it's the right thing to do to help save the life of the unfortunate and addicted. Apparently you would like to just round them up and put them out of their misery?

Edited September 30, 2011 by CitizenX

[Guest American Woman]

A better analogy would be hotel rooms for chronic public masturbators.

And is that supposed to be a good idea??

[Guest American Woman]

And yes it's the right thing to do to help save the life of the unfortunate and addicted. Apparently you would like to just round them up and put them out of their misery?

How about rounding them up and putting them in rehab - rather than spending money helping maintain their illegal, dangerous, drug habit?

[CitizenX]

They bring their own drugs, so the drugs must come from drug dealers.

And drug dealer's exist because of prohibition, so blame the government.

[CitizenX]

How about rounding them up and putting them in rehab - rather than spending money helping maintain their illegal, dangerous, drug habit?

Yes because forcing people to change always works right? They don't need to want it right?

[The_Squid]

It is good to see good public health policy trump political ideology.

This was a UNANIMOUS decision by the Supreme Court. Right wing, left wing.... They all came to the same conclusion.