Muslims rally against extremism

[Bob]

when did recognizing israel as a jewish state become an obligation? is it part of any legal obligation?

The "Palestinians" and broader Arab/Muslim collective isn't obligated to do anything. You keep talking about "legalities" as if proclamations from the UN and its "international law" mean anything. Nobody can force Arabs/Muslims to stop being anti-Semitic. But their ongoing rejection of Jewish national rights in our land of Israel is the core of the conflict. Always has been, always will be.

They might as well "recognize" Israel as a Muslim state if they don't indicate the Jewish character of the country. "Recognition" is quite meaningless in and of itself, but sincere recognition would lead to a cessation of hatred, murder, and terrorism - because rejection of Jewish statehood is what compels them to keep murdering us. They're been doing it since the late 19th century and they're not gonna stop anytime soon.

[scribblet]

Another decent Muslim here speaking out against extremism, the school is of the Sunni extremist type, and has a location in Buffalo.

http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3310573

A local Muslim is speaking out against the Darul Uloom private Muslim school in Chatham and has questions about those running the school and their motives.

Mohammad "Mike" Jawad, 70, a local pharmacist, is concerned about how the school is conducting its business and fears the repercussions to the community if a Darul Uloom student is ever linked to a future terrorist attack.

"This is nothing personal," he said.

However, Jawad wants to know who is on the board of trustees, the qualifications of the administrators and staff, whether the school is open to non-Muslims and if girls are allowed to attend.

Jawad said he is concerned about the growing extremism among some Muslims groups and why Chatham was chosen as a location to open this type of school.

"I want to make sure there are no funny games," he said.

The Buffalo School's site, it's hard core Shariah....

http://www.madania.org/

[Guest American Woman]

Another decent Muslim here speaking out against extremism, the school is of the Sunni extremist type, and has a location in Buffalo.

http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3310573

The Buffalo School's site, it's hard core Shariah....

http://www.madania.org/

Good to see. I hope this gives other Muslims the courage to speak out as it gives extremists less courage to do whatever they want where ever they want.

Ten years after 9-11, and it sounds as if moderate Muslims are tiring of the whole extremist campaign and realize where it will ultimately lead if they don't speak up - and it's a good beginning. Very positive news.

[Bob]

The vast majority of Muslims I know, and I know many ad have had countless conversations with them about these issues, express sympathy and engage in apologism for Islamism and terrorism. Overwhelming majority of Muslims have a very different perspective of Islamic terrorism than do non-Muslims, and I'm talking about Muslims in Western countries. Don't think for a second that somehow what you might define as "moderate Islam" is prevalent among Muslim groups in the West.

[GostHacked]

The vast majority of Muslims I know, and I know many ad have had countless conversations with them about these issues, express sympathy and engage in apologism for Islamism and terrorism. Overwhelming majority of Muslims have a very different perspective of Islamic terrorism than do non-Muslims, and I'm talking about Muslims in Western countries. Don't think for a second that somehow what you might define as "moderate Islam" is prevalent among Muslim groups in the West.

With the amount of Muslims I see living here in Ottawa, I am surprised this place has not blown up by now.

I have seen one extremist jew .. his name is Bob.

[Bob]

With the amount of Muslims I see living here in Ottawa, I am surprised this place has not blown up by now.

I have seen one extremist jew .. his name is Bob.

There have been several terrorism-related arrests in Ottawa. Guess what the descriptions of the suspects all had in common?

Edited September 26, 2011 by Bob

[Guest American Woman]

With the amount of Muslims I see living here in Ottawa, I am surprised this place has not blown up by now.

You can thank your law enforcement agencies for that.

[bud]

Another decent Muslim here speaking out against extremism,

here is a decent jew talking about jewish extremism:

Edited September 26, 2011 by bud

[Bob]

There are plenty of Jews out their who are hand-in-hand with the vermin among us. Am I supposed to be surprised? The list of Jews I know that are complicit ideologically with our enemies is much longer than the list of Jews you know, yet you act as if somehow you're showing me something new. I'm guessing you've heard of Ilan Pappe, Noam Chomsky, and Norman Finkelstein ("good Jews", eh?), and that's about it. Perhaps Gideon Levy, as well? Maybe Avi Shlaim or Gershon Baskin? I can probably list of at least fifty prominent Jews that are the enemies of civilization in one way or another within a few minutes, from many corners of the globe. There's no shortage of disgusting Jewish politicians and "intellectuals" out there.

What's funny is that bud actually thinks I haven't seen that video, before...

[GostHacked]

You can thank your law enforcement agencies for that.

So our law enforcement might be better than the USA!??

No, I can thank people for not buying the hype about Muslims right after 9/11. I actually lived with one for a while. But I did eventually have problems with him, not because he was muslim, it was because he could not control his drug and drinking binges and being abusive to my other roommate. His religion had nothing to do with it.

But we have had moderates of Islam condemning the attacks on Sept 11 since it happened. But was that all ignored until now? Or were people so blind that they could not recognize moderates if they were right in front of them?

Regardless, this is encouraging that more and more are coming out against the extremist elements within Islam. But I just hope people will listen to the moderates who are the majority (with 1.5 billion muslims on the planet, you'd think more planes would be flying into buildings alot more often).

I will also add, that no amount of moderates coming out against extremism, would be enough for some. They are so hard set in their thinking logic and critical thinking goes out the door.

[Guest American Woman]

So our law enforcement might be better than the USA!??

Where are you getting that from? We also thank our law enforcement agencies for preventing attacks.

No, I can thank people for not buying the hype about Muslims right after 9/11. I actually lived with one for a while.

No!! Say it's not true!! You actually *gasp* lived with one?? I sure hope you won some sort of award for being so enlightened and tolerant!

But we have had moderates of Islam condemning the attacks on Sept 11 since it happened. But was that all ignored until now? Or were people so blind that they could not recognize moderates if they were right in front of them?

Not sure what you're on about here. Yes, there were moderates condemning the attacks since it happened. And no, that hasn't been ignored until now.

What we're speaking of in this thread isn't "condemning terrorist attacks," it's speaking out against extremism. You do recognize the difference, right?

Regardless, this is encouraging that more and more are coming out against the extremist elements within Islam.

Gosh. I wish I had said that. Oh wait....I did!

But I just hope people will listen to the moderates who are the majority (with 1.5 billion muslims on the planet, you'd think more planes would be flying into buildings alot more often).

Perhaps you give their abilities to carry out such attacks too much credit - as you give out law enforcement agencies' ability to prevent attacks, and the war against terror, too little credit.

I will also add, that no amount of moderates coming out against extremism, would be enough for some. They are so hard set in their thinking logic and critical thinking goes out the door.

Of course there are "some" who would be biased, regardless - just as there are Muslims who hate westerners, regardless. No need to point out the obvious.

[bud]

No, I can thank people for not buying the hype about Muslims right after 9/11.

*ding*

american woman, intentionally or unintentionally, hypes the danger of islam.

[bush_cheney2004]

american woman, intentionally or unintentionally, hypes the danger of islam.

...while you hype the danger of Americans!

[Guest American Woman]

*ding*

american woman, intentionally or unintentionally, hypes the danger of islam.

Yep. Me and the moderate Muslims rallying against extremism. While ..... GOSTHACKED ACTUALLY LIVED WITH A MUSLIM!! - AND LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT!! Now that's one condescending, patronizing brave, tolerant dude.

[BubberMiley]

Yep. Me and the moderate Muslims rallying against extremism. While ..... GOSTHACKED ACTUALLY LIVED WITH A MUSLIM!! - AND LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT!! Now that's one condescending, patronizing brave, tolerant dude.

[GostHacked]

Where are you getting that from? We also thank our law enforcement agencies for preventing attacks.

There was a time I'd be able to distinguish your posts from BC_2004. Not anymore. Sorry to say AW, there was a time when I respected you on this board.

But there were warnings before 9/11. However, that was not taken very seriously.

What was the document again?? Oh right. 'Bin Laden posed to strike in the US'

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-04-10/politics/august6.memo_1_bin-conduct-terrorist-attacks-abu-zubaydah?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

So ask your officials why these warnings were not taken seriously?

No!! Say it's not true!! You actually *gasp* lived with one?? I sure hope you won some sort of award for being so enlightened and tolerant!

I don't need any award for anything. He was not exactly a practicing muslim. I may have inadvertantly trolled on that last post, regardless, you reacted exactly as I thought you would. But that is more of your problem than mine. Once you stop being reactionary to every post I make, you'll be able to think more clearly.

Not sure what you're on about here. Yes, there were moderates condemning the attacks since it happened. And no, that hasn't been ignored until now.

I feel what you are saying, I disagree.

What we're speaking of in this thread isn't "condemning terrorist attacks," it's speaking out against extremism. You do recognize the difference, right?

I've known the difference for a long time. Maybe you can go push that NYC Mosque thread up a few more pages, has it hit 100 yet?

Perhaps you give their abilities to carry out such attacks too much credit - as you give out law enforcement agencies' ability to prevent attacks, and the war against terror, too little credit.

Like you give them credit for knocking down two buildings by hijacking planes using box cutters? Pff, if I saw someone try to do something with a box cutter on a plane, I'd take him down quick. Seriously... a box cutter?

Of course there are "some" who would be biased, regardless - just as there are Muslims who hate westerners, regardless. No need to point out the obvious.

Sometimes the obvious is so obvious people are oblivious to it all. But I agree with your last statement.

[Guest American Woman]

There was a time I'd be able to distinguish your posts from BC_2004. Not anymore. Sorry to say AW, there was a time when I respected you on this board.

Why do I have the feeling of deja vu?

I know! Because we've already had this discussion. You've already said that exact same thing. And sorry to say, I still don't care what you think of me - and I doubt you care to hear what I think of you. Suffice to say, the feeling is mutual.

But there were warnings before 9/11. However, that was not taken very seriously.

What was the document again?? Oh right. 'Bin Laden posed to strike in the US'

Oh wow. They knew that "bin Laden was posed to strike in the US" and they didn't figure out that they were going to board those specific planes on that specific day and make the specific strikes that they did? Complete idiots, I tell ya ..............

I don't need any award for anything.

No, you sure as hell don't. Yet you came across as "you bad, you fear Muslims - me good, me room with Muslim, me no fear Mulsims."

You came across as totally condescending to Muslims; very patronizing and self-congratulatory.

He was not exactly a practicing muslim. I may have inadvertantly trolled on that last post, regardless, you reacted exactly as I thought you would.

Let's see. You trolled, and I reacted the way you thought I would, and this reflects negatively on me.

But that is more of your problem than mine. Once you stop being reactionary to every post I make, you'll be able to think more clearly.

Ummm. No, it isn't. My thoughts are quite clear, and my reaction was exactly as your self-admitted trolling deserved.

Maybe you can go push that NYC Mosque thread up a few more pages, has it hit 100 yet?

I wouldn't know. Have you made a bajillion more mindless posts in it lately? Because if you have, I'm sure has. If it hasn't, it's not for lack of effort on your part.

Like you give them credit for knocking down two buildings by hijacking planes using box cutters? Pff, if I saw someone try to do something with a box cutter on a plane, I'd take him down quick. Seriously... a box cutter?

If only you had been on those planes on 9-11. History would be so different, eh?

[GostHacked]

If only you had been on those planes on 9-11. History would be so different, eh?

It would be drastically different for me, yes indeed. I'd be dead, and in no capacity to care about what is after.

Anyways, back to the topic.

[Guest American Woman]

It would be drastically different for me, yes indeed. I'd be dead, and in no capacity to care about what is after.

Dead?? But you would have saved the day. May I remind you what you said just minutes ago??

Pff, if I saw someone try to do something with a box cutter on a plane, I'd take him down quick. Seriously... a box cutter?

Good grief.

[xul]

Yep. Me and the moderate Muslims rallying against extremism. While .....

Of course...but one day if they rally against Israel, you will fall back...

then, they will sell oil to China and Russia, which used to rally with Sadaam and Gahdaphi against US, just because they want you know they are unhappy about your stances...

Edited October 10, 2011 by xul