Mark Steyn

[Michael Hardner]

Aside from the fact that multiculturalism isn't even mentioned in the video linked in the OP, what does the above statement even mean? Are you suggesting that higher rates of crime from immigrants isn't a direct consequence of contemporary multiculturalism policies?

DogOnPorch posted the video I was commenting on at 9:06 AM yesterday. Multiculturalism is discussed right at the beginning.

[Bob]

So immigrants don't commit as many crimes if there is no multiculturalism ?

The point is that multiculturalism is the mindset that promotes irresponsible immigration policies, which results in brining in people that are more criminally-inclined, i.e. third-world trash and other people who still largely subscribe to inferior cultural/social values. Multiculturalism, as an ideology, has a difficult time screening prospective immigrants on grounds that they will be eligible to integrate meaningfully and be self-sufficient in Canada. This is why immigrants have much higher rates of crime than other Canadians. And if you want to get more specific, and we certainly should, immigrants from certain countries and cultures have much higher rates of crime than immigrants from other countries and cultures. What multiculutralism in its current manifestation does is remove our abilities to screen immigrants in the best interests of Canada in order to please suicidal politically correct leftists like yourself. Consider that you were dumbfounded and demanded "evidence" when I made an obvious observation about the much higher propensity for all things bad (welfare, disease, educational underperformance, higher degree of commitment to hardcore Islam, and dependence on social welfare services) among Somalians in Canada. You were astonished. It's as if you've never met a Somalian, before.

Have relatives that don't speak English? No problem, we'll give them subsidized ESL classes because we believe in family reunification! Got a fake marriage with a Canadian? No problem, we won't ask for details or investigate you because you deserve the benefit of the doubt! Are you diseased and certainly going to be a burden on our already braking healthcare system? No problem, just get some fake medical documents from your local desert nomad village witch doctor stating you've got a clean bill of health!

To everyone else, bear in mind that Michael Hardner is of the camp that is unable to comprehend the superiority of Western civilization over, say, Islamist societies. According to Michael Hardner and other committed leftists, varying societies, cultures, and political systems are different but equal.

[Michael Hardner]

Bob, I don't need you paraphrasing my opinions for me, as you do a bad job of it.

You should concentrate on providing some evidence for your outlandish opinions, as many of us have asked you to provide over and over again.

And if you don't have evidence then please read the forum rules again about being prepared to offer cites, instead of embarking on some bizarre criticism of me for asking.

There is sone merit in your post, but I will reply later.

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[Bob]

Answer some simple questions, please.

Are the political/legal systems of Canada superior to those of Arab/Muslim majority countries?

Are our educational systems superior to those of Arab/Muslim majority countries?

Are our cultural and social values superior to those of Arab/Muslim majority countries?

I'll go out out an limb and venture that you will refrain from the answering the questions and engage in your typical form of obfuscation.

[Michael Hardner]

Answer some simple questions, please.

Are the political/legal systems of Canada superior to those of Arab/Muslim majority countries?

Are our educational systems superior to those of Arab/Muslim majority countries?

Are our cultural and social values superior to those of Arab/Muslim majority countries?

I'll go out out an limb and venture that you will refrain from the answering the questions and engage in your typical form of obfuscation.

You're starting to reveal yourself as an astonishingly egotistical poster.

So far you have:

1. Demanded that I explain myself to you.

2. Refused to provide evidence for assertions, though forum rules state that you should... and incredibly ridiculed me for asking you for evidence.

3. Called Moonlight Graham a liar for suggesting Canada change it's trade practices, revealing that you believe a lie is something you disagree with. (IE. You disagree with the concept of slippery slope therefore it's a lie)

We have seen posters like you before.

For the record - yes, I believe Western values of plurality and tolerance are superior but you clearly don't so why do you ask?

[Bob]

You're starting to reveal yourself as an astonishingly egotistical poster.

So far you have:

1. Demanded that I explain myself to you.

2. Refused to provide evidence for assertions, though forum rules state that you should... and incredibly ridiculed me for asking you for evidence.

3. Called Moonlight Graham a liar for suggesting Canada change it's trade practices, revealing that you believe a lie is something you disagree with. (IE. You disagree with the concept of slippery slope therefore it's a lie)

We have seen posters like you before.

For the record - yes, I believe Western values of plurality and tolerance are superior but you clearly don't so why do you ask?

It's a lie because he tried to draw a false parallel. If Canada produced, for example, comparable quality toasters as those made in China, for a comparable price, he'd have a point. Since that isn't the case, the slippery slope argument is a lie because Canada's mass purchasing of products manufactured in China don't have comparable alternatives made domestically, as is the case with oil manufactured in Alberta when compared to oil manufactured in Saudi Arabia. It's telling that this simple point needs to be explained to you over and over again.

And, as predicted, you avoid a politically inconvenient question. All the while acting as some sort of forum enforcer for the rules as you see them.

[Michael Hardner]

Sorry, I think I did answer the question, which puts me ahead of you who still laughs at the idea if backing up your claims.

[Bob]

Well of course, your belief in Western "plurality and tolerance" means that we shouldn't be screening immigrants to this country on political or social grounds. Your idea of our society's "plurality and tolerance" sows the seeds of its own destruction, as we continue to import people whose values are antithetical to ours. You're willing to accept people who oppose democracy, free markets, secularism and pluralism. Basically, you're willing to continually import third-world trash and desert nomads who have no meaningful place in our country.

[Michael Hardner]

Well of course, your belief in Western "plurality and tolerance" means that we shouldn't be screening immigrants to this country on political or social grounds. Your idea of our society's "plurality and tolerance" sows the seeds of its own destruction, as we continue to import people whose values are antithetical to ours. You're willing to accept people who oppose democracy, free markets, secularism and pluralism. Basically, you're willing to continually import third-world trash and desert nomads who have no meaningful place in our country.

Where did I state this opinion of mine that you're quoting here?

[Bob]

Where did I state this opinion of mine that you're quoting here?

You don't need to explicitly state it in a post in this thread. It's not difficult to glean how you view these things based on all the posts of yours that we've all read here on MLW. You think you have original opinions and are hard to figure out, or something? You are a dime-a-dozen cookie cutter leftist who fancies himself some sort of "rational centrist", who demands "evidence" that Somalians in Canada are overrepresented in all things bad. In the bubble that is your world, if it's not in a PDF file on the internet from some official-sounding source, it ain't real. This myopic worldview of yours is a natural consequence of living in a very, very small personal little world.

[Michael Hardner]

You don't need to explicitly state it in a post in this thread. It's not difficult to glean how you view these things based on all the posts of yours that we've all read here on MLW. You think you have original opinions and are hard to figure out, or something?

You just TOLD me what my opinions are... don't you want to find out if you're correct before gloating on how easy to figure out I am?

You are a dime-a-dozen cookie cutter leftist who fancies himself some sort of "rational centrist", who demands "evidence" that Somalians in Canada are overrepresented in all things bad. In the bubble that is your world, if it's not in a PDF file on the internet from some official-sounding source, it ain't real. This myopic worldview of yours is a natural consequence of living in a very, very small personal little world.

You are ridiculing the idea of providing evidence for claims here and calling the basic rules of discussion a 'bubble'.

Honestly, I don't think you should stick around. I have been patient in pointing out the rules here but not only do you ignore them, you do it flagrantly. If you're not willing to let us help you, why do you post? You don't seem to enjoy discussing anything here.

I'm just trying to find some common ground for discussion...

[Black Dog]

You are ridiculing the idea of providing evidence for claims here and calling the basic rules of discussion a 'bubble'.

Honestly, I don't think you should stick around. I have been patient in pointing out the rules here but not only do you ignore them, you do it flagrantly. If you're not willing to let us help you, why do you post? You don't seem to enjoy discussing anything here.

I'm just trying to find some common ground for discussion...

Bob's not here to discuss. It's pretty apparent by now that he's as one-note a poster as we've ever seen here at MLW. Like a kazoo or a wet fart.

[guyser]

Bob's not here to discuss. It's pretty apparent by now that he's as one-note a poster as we've ever seen here at MLW. Like a kazoo or a wet fart.

I want to have lunch with mikedavidII and bob. (at an Iranian or Middle East restaurant w a gay Palestinian waiter serving us)

[Wild Bill]

I want to have lunch with mikedavidII and bob. (at an Iranian or Middle East restaurant w a gay Palestinian waiter serving us)

Ah, not much chance of having a gay Palestinian waiter, Bob, considering what the fundamentalist Islamists routinely do to them...

Other than that, it would make a humorous scenario!

[August1991]

We borrow from the future by unsustainable deficits and a mounting debt headed about 100% of GDP to pay for things and entitlements for people alive today.

You are describing a world of paper. I am thinking of real things.

If this frightens you, have no fear. In my world, good financial paper claims real things. And America has alot of real things to claim - in particular its potential wealth.

Edited October 12, 2011 by August1991