Saudi Lawyers threaten lawsuits over "Ethical Oil" ads

[waldo]

Anyhow, the Ethic OIl folks are fighting a losing battle. There IS no ethical consumerism in the west period. We have absolutely no problem buying stuff from virtually any repressive regime as long as its cheap.

buying... or selling. The Levant/Velshi re-branding exercise premised on the presumed actions of "repressive regimes", quite purposely, takes a one-way only buying position on said repression. Clearly, selling to so-called repressive regimes doesn't factor into the hypocritical ethical eye of Levant/Velshi. In any case, the real intent behind their astroturf campaign is simply a crafted distraction to avoid real scrutiny of the ethics surrounding tarsands development/expansion.

[Oleg Bach]

Someone should have bombed the f*j out of the Saudi boy banging princes when they sat back in glee watching 3000 people got mashed at the World Trade Centre ---they put up the money - they facilitated the action - they condoned the results - and YET American corporate oil elite thought that it was just grand to allow their bored billionare buddies in Saudi to kill a few American chickens to amuze themselves - what a horrific shame - in the name of greed and oil addiction we let these bearded hetrofags to dominate us? How dare they - time to put an end to this travesty -- - if the world was just and moral they would have over run Saudi Arabia and got rid of those bowel ripping creeps!

[waldo]

---they put up the money - they facilitated the action - they condoned the results

there may be/are legitimate concerns to raise against Saudi Arabia... perhaps... yours is not one of those:

[Shady]

Gotta love it! Gee, there may be legitimate concerns to raise regarding Saudi Arabia?

Anyways, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the leftist, no-growth, flat-earthers of the forum are rushing to the defense of Saudi Arabia. That's how they roll.

[jbg]

The only way a substancial ammount of Canadians would choose Canadian oil over Saudi oil is if there a material benefit in doing so. If it costs more than Saudi oil then forget it.

Oil is a fungible, competitively produced product. That means that 100% of oil, wherever produced (with the exception of countries that are both self-sufficient and have price and export controls), sells for the price of the most expensive oil being produced. That is what is meant by "marginal cost pricing". In English, that means that if it takes a single barrel of oil produced from shale to satiate the market and that oil sells for $85, that means that even oil that costs $3 per barrel to lift from Saudi Arabia will ultimately sell for the same $85.

In practice, what drives the price is demand, and oil that costs less than the demand-set price is produced.

Canadians or for that matter Americans don't get to "choose" the oil they buy; it goes into their tanks, inclusive of the highest cost oil being used. That is the reason that no country can unilaterally raise or for that matter cut the price of oil.

[waldo]

Anyways, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the leftist, no-growth, flat-earthers of the forum are rushing to the defense of Saudi Arabia. That's how they roll.

clearly, offering substantive and authoritative fact based reference is something foreign to you... it's a shame the U.S. Congressional 9-11 Commission closed... apparently, you have pertinent facts to dispute their reports. Perhaps give the NYT or WashPo a call!

[waldo]

Canadians or for that matter Americans don't get to "choose" the oil they buy; it goes into their tanks, inclusive of the highest cost oil being used. That is the reason that no country can unilaterally raise or for that matter cut the price of oil.

so you agree that the Levant/Velshi re-branding "Ethical Oil" astroturf campaign is hypocritical and distracting - yes?

[Guest American Woman]

Anyhow, the

In fact... If you could grid up children and make cheap oil with them, westerners would race for the pumps.

"Grid" up children??

[GostHacked]

"Grid" up children??

Yes of course Grid ... he meant grind.

[Guest American Woman]

Yes of course Grid ... he meant grind.

Are you his spokesperson? I think not, so I'll wait and let him tell me what he exactly what he meant since he's the one who said it. IOW, I'd like clarification directly from the person who made the post.........

[GostHacked]

Are you his spokesperson? I think not, so I'll wait and let him tell me what he exactly what he meant since he's the one who said it. IOW, I'd like clarification directly from the person who made the post.........

Really? I mean you could not figure that out for yourself?

Sure, no problem... Sir B.. what DID you mean!!???

[jbg]

so you agree that the Levant/Velshi re-branding "Ethical Oil" astroturf campaign is hypocritical and distracting - yes?

I'd need to know more about it but I would agree that there is zero ability to affect who one buys oil from or sells it to. Even the so-called "Arab Oil Embargo of 1973" had nothing to do with gas lines in the U.S.; a bolixed-up system of price controls did. Witness the May-July 1979 shortage with no embargo and in some cases even longer lines.

Personally, I've met Levant and Steyn and don't like either of them on a personal basis even though sometimes they write well.

[guyser]

Gotta love it! Gee, there may be legitimate concerns to raise regarding Saudi Arabia?

Anyways, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the leftist, no-growth, flat-earthers of the forum are rushing to the defense of Saudi Arabia. That's how they roll.

I had no idea this guy is a leftist, flat earther and it must be how they roll.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushabdullahhands.htm

Lets just call it 'shady steps in it again'.

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[bud]

I had no idea this guy is a leftist, flat earther and it must be how they roll.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushabdullahhands.htm

Lets just call it 'shady steps in it again'.

shady has unintentionally become the stephen colbert of the forum.

[Bob]

buying... or selling. The Levant/Velshi re-branding exercise premised on the presumed actions of "repressive regimes", quite purposely, takes a one-way only buying position on said repression. Clearly, selling to so-called repressive regimes doesn't factor into the hypocritical ethical eye of Levant/Velshi. In any case, the real intent behind their astroturf campaign is simply a crafted distraction to avoid real scrutiny of the ethics surrounding tarsands development/expansion.

Wow, another leftist with sickening lies comes out of the woodwork. Imagine how far to the left you have to be to put quotations around "repressive regimes" when referring to Middle Eastern countries (not Israel, of course), as if somehow that description isn't accurate. The same leftists were attacking Reagan for describing the Soviet Union as the "evil empire", as if somehow that definition also wasn't apt. How would you, oh righteous one, prefer to describe theocratic dictatorships like Saudi Arabia? I love the hypocrisy of the left, screaming for "human rights" in the most ridiculous of situations, and utterly silent when real basic violations are taking place. Pathetic and disgusting.

I really can't stand that we have people like you in our country, who comfortably question the accuracy of describing Saudi Arabia as an "oppressive regime" with your little sarcastic quotation marks and preface of "so-called". We need to deport you to Saudi Arabia and banish the next ten generations of any descendents you may have.

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[Peter F]

If I have a choice, I will consume a similar product from Canada before any Muslim-majority country. I am not alone. This reality directly contradicts your false assertion of non-monetary issues playing a role in informing our buying behaviour.

I only consume oil that has tiny maple-leafs floating in it.

[jacee]

Wow, another leftist with sickening lies comes out of the woodwork. Imagine how far to the left you have to be to put quotations around "repressive regimes" when referring to Middle Eastern countries (not Israel, of course), as if somehow that description isn't accurate. The same leftists were attacking Reagan for describing the Soviet Union as the "evil empire", as if somehow that definition also wasn't apt. How would you, oh righteous one, prefer to describe theocratic dictatorships like Saudi Arabia? I love the hypocrisy of the left, screaming for "human rights" in the most ridiculous of situations, and utterly silent when real basic violations are taking place. Pathetic and disgusting.

I really can't stand that we have people like you in our country, who comfortably question the accuracy of describing Saudi Arabia as an "oppressive regime" with your little sarcastic quotation marks and preface of "so-called". We need to deport you to Saudi Arabia and banish the next ten generations of any descendents you may have.

We get it Bob. You hate all "Arabs/Muslims" and their countries.

But "in our country" ?

What country?

[waldo]

I really can't stand that we have people like you in our country, who comfortably question the accuracy of describing Saudi Arabia as an "oppressive regime" with your little sarcastic quotation marks and preface of "so-called". We need to deport you to Saudi Arabia and banish the next ten generations of any descendents you may have.

buddy... don't let a few scare quotes, scare ya!

I'm certainly not offering a qualification to the likes of your rabid testimony... however... the real issue is one of Levant/Velshi's so-called Ethical-Oil's selective ethical-to-repression attachment; i.e., a hypocritical slant that presumes to value "repression" differently, vis-a-vis, buying versus selling. Selling to China, no ethical problem! Buying from Saudi Arabia, big ethical problem! Don't hesitate to add your additional rabid qualification on the degrees of "presumed repression", say... China versus Saudi Arabia and, more pointedly, your alignment (or not) with selective "presumed repression" as postulated by Levant/Velshi's so-called "Ethical Oil" (note: these latest scary quotes not added to scare you; rather, added for attention emphasis).

[guyser]

I really can't stand that we have people like you in our country, who comfortably question the accuracy of describing Saudi Arabia as an "oppressive regime" with your little sarcastic quotation marks and preface of "so-called". We need to deport you to Saudi Arabia and banish the next ten generations of any descendents you may have.

I dont think he lives in Israel ya know.

You need to stop getting confused where you live.

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[Bob]

I dont think he lives in Israel ya know.

You need to stop getting confused where you live.

Wait a second, if I moved from Israel to Canada... am I no longer a Canadian?

[GostHacked]

Wait a second, if I moved from Israel to Canada... am I no longer a Canadian?

Depends if you are willing to give up your Canadian citizenship. Unless you plan on jetting back to Canada when things get too tough there.

[jbg]

Depends if you are willing to give up your Canadian citizenship. Unless you plan on jetting back to Canada when things get too tough there.

The way so many "Canadian" Lebanese did?

[GostHacked]

The way so many "Canadian" Lebanese did?

Yes.

[jacee]

Wait a second, if I moved from Israel to Canada... am I no longer a Canadian?

So now you're Canadian, and you incite hatred against all "Arabs/Muslims" everywhere, and call them "filth" "vermin" and "those animals"?

Do you claim to speak for Israel Bob?

Does Israel know that you besmirch its character this way?

I suspect you don't speak for Israelis at all,

And you sure as hell don't speak for Canadians!!!

[Guest American Woman]

Depends if you are willing to give up your Canadian citizenship. Unless you plan on jetting back to Canada when things get too tough there.

But... but....I thought that was the Canadian way. The Canadian spirit. What's "normal" for y'all.