Gap between rich and poor rising faster in Canada

[eyeball]

Of course the gap is rising. The rich are working 50-100hr weeks and investing, the poor are protesting, chanting stupid slogans, getting arrested, having sex on cars, and blowing all their income on pot and munchies.

Hmmm I work lots of 50 - 100 hour weeks, if I had the time and money left after all the taxes and bills are paid to go protest I would.

The rich in my line of work get paid 3.50 a lb for the privilege of owning the quota I'm forced to lease so I can catch it get and paid .15 a lb.

He can go catch his own goddamn fish. I quit. No job is worth that kind of humiliation.

Edited September 27, 2011 by eyeball

[CPCFTW]

Hmmm I work lots of 50 - 100 hour weeks, if I had the time and money left after all the taxes and bills are paid to go protest I would.

The rich in my line of work get paid 3.50 a lb for the privilege of owning the quota I'm forced to lease so I can catch it get and paid .15 a lb.

He can go catch his own goddamn fish. I quit. No job is worth that kind of humiliation.

So save some money and become the guy getting paid 3.50 a lb. If you can't save any money after working 50-100 hr weeks, you need to get a new line of work.

[eyeball]

So save some money and become the guy getting paid 3.50 a lb.

Would it interest you to know these guys got these quotas as an entitlement from DFO - a virtual privatization of common property? It was like they were rewarded for having invented fish or something. They'll be happy to turn around and sell you their blocks for about $50 - $60 a lb but content to collect their lease fees in the meantime without having to lift a finger.

If you can't save any money after working 50-100 hr weeks, you need to get a new line of work.

I did. I understand the move is on now to allow skippers and crews in from outside the country. The pace of the race as well as the gap is only accelerating.

[Jack Weber]

Of course the gap is rising. The rich are working 50-100hr weeks and investing, the poor are protesting, chanting stupid slogans, getting arrested, having sex on cars, and blowing all their income on pot and munchies.

I work well over 40 hours a week...

I'm a skilled tradesmen who puts his life on he line many times per week trying get things constructed...

My standard of living has'nt risen through all of the corporate tax cutting that's gone on over the last 30 years...

By the way chump,if your so valuable and industrious,step in my shoes and take my pay...

[bush_cheney2004]

Of course the gap is rising. The rich are working 50-100hr weeks and investing, the poor are protesting, chanting stupid slogans, getting arrested, having sex on cars, and blowing all their income on pot and munchies.

Spot on....why is it that so many "lefties" (allegedly smarter than "righties") can't make a better go of it? Get on the right side of the income gap and you shall be rewarded! Protesting and smoking dope won't help much.

[Jack Weber]

I just want to make it clear that I wasn't proposing a Marxist solution to the "problems" we have today. I'm just saying that the system we have is indeed unsustainable and, in my opinion, unlike the theories of Marx and Hegel, the system will never be sustainable. I don't believe there will ever be an end to the dialectic. Marx took his cue from Darwin's philosophies of evolution. He believed society would evolve into this Marxist paradise, but I'm claiming that just like evolution, there is no end. Society (the sum of all ideas, relationships, and productive capacities) will continue to adapt to its elements and evolve with no end.

All of this is beside the point, but in addition to that, Marx never really outlined what society would look like after the Revolution, period. He spent a lot of time talking about what he considered pre-history, or the time before the Revolution. However, any descriptions of what society would be like after the revolution have been inferred by later thinkers, scholars, and theorists.

One other thing, you mentioned somewhere in your post--I must have deleted it when I was picking parts to quote--that the system is becoming more deregulated. Although regulations have changed somewhat in the last 20-30 years, the height of liberal economics was the 19th century. The system is actually way more regulated than it has ever been at any other point in history, so I don't exactly agree with that. Nonetheless, I get where you were going with your post.

Well,I agree that the current economic system is completely unsustainable.In fact,we may be seeing the beginnings of it's end right now.

As it relates to your statement about deregulation,you are correct about the 19th century.What I should have said is that the advocates for that type of economic system seem to be getting their way recently (over the last 30 years or so),and want to head down that road again...Without any recognition for history and that what they want is entirely doomed to failure...

[jacee]

What we need is a leader who doesn't coddle the rich.

Someone who champions middle-class people and sees the wealth of the whole as a priority.

I see bottle pickers every day in my neighborhood, I realize some people fall through the cracks and

end up on the streets, but one would think more could be done to reduce things like homelessness, substance abuse,

illiteracy, and most of all, hunger.

Most of those things could be considerably alleviated if we provided nutritious food for all kids in schools during their developing years. Hunger and poor nutrition in children and adolescence are huge factors in learn ing problems, inattention, behaviour problems, failure, low self esteem, unemployment, substance abuse, crime, incarceration, poverty and homelessness .

Inner city schools that implement school meal programs see astounding results almost immediately. Such programs are often sponsored by local businesses. We need it for all kids.

[jacee]

Of course the gap is rising. The rich are working 50-100hr weeks and investing, the poor are protesting, chanting stupid slogans, getting arrested, having sex on cars, and blowing all their income on pot and munchies.

I'm not rich, not poor and I worked 60-100 hr weeks, no overtime, no bonuses, no perks, no thanks, constant deadlines and not enough staff or time to do the work demanded. "The rich" need to get over thinking they're the only ones who work hard. It's pathetic. Just shows you know little about the real world, and have little respect for others.

Those are not "the poor", but the children of the middle class. They are intelligent, educated (college/university graduates) but unable to find employment in today's 'downturn'. They're not sitting home playing video games but dedicating themselves to work for change, so they will have a future.

They've got more guts and savvy than you know, and probably more than you, because you clearly haven't bothered reading to find out who they are.

Edited September 28, 2011 by jacee

[bush_cheney2004]

...They've got more guts and savvy than you know, and probably more than you, because you clearly haven't bothered reading to find out who they are.

Great! So all they are missing is what some of us "dummies" already have....well paying jobs. I wonder if they put all that high falootin' protestin' on their resumes as "experience". I'm thinking not!

[CPCFTW]

Those are not "the poor", but the children of the middle class, educated (college/university graduates) but unable to find employment in today's 'downturn'. They're not sitting home playing video games but dedicating themselves to work for change, so they will have a future.

They've got more guts and savvy than you know, and probably more than you, because you clearly haven't bothered reading to find out who they are.

Exactly, they've been given a free ride their whole lives and now that their parents have kicked them out of their homes at 25, they can't pay their government subsidized student loans off, and they have discovered that no one wants to hire a B average philosophy major, they want another free ride from the wealthy too.

Most of these kids haven't worked a full time job in their lives and claim to be standing up for the working man.

The last thing we need is the government to subsidize the creation of more of these leeches. How many unemployed arts majors does one country need?

Edited September 28, 2011 by CPCFTW

[bush_cheney2004]

...Most of these kids haven't worked a full time job in their lives and claim to be standing up for the working man.

Dude...that is very profound. These lazy kids have managed to extend adolescence from even earlier puberty to well into their 30's! That means a lot more time for video games and organizing protests on Facebook in Mom's basement.

[Guest Derek L]

Dude...that is very profound. These lazy kids have managed to extend adolescence from even earlier puberty to well into their 30's! That means a lot more time for video games and organizing protests on Facebook in Mom's basement.

It is a good point……..maybe someone should conduct a poll/survey, asking “successful” people what they did from 18-30, then contrast it with those that are deemed “unsuccessful”………include everything…….Schooling….Work……..Hobbies…..Volunteering……..Alchol/drug usage……dating marriage……Any criminal activity………Did you “travel” and if so, was it consisting of staying in hostels or olive drab tents……….Did you accept or reject “authority”…….etc……I’d think the results would be very interesting…….

[jacee]

Great! So all they are missing is what some of us "dummies" already have....well paying jobs. I wonder if they put all that high falootin' protestin' on their resumes as "experience". I'm thinking not!

You cheer me up every day bc, because I know I'll never be as bitter and jaded as you.

[CitizenX]

It is a good point……..maybe someone should conduct a poll/survey, asking “successful” people what they did from 18-30, then contrast it with those that are deemed “unsuccessful”………include everything…….Schooling….Work……..Hobbies…..Volunteering……..Alchol/drug usage……dating marriage……Any criminal activity………Did you “travel” and if so, was it consisting of staying in hostels or olive drab tents……….Did you accept or reject “authority”…….etc……I’d think the results would be very interesting…….

As long as you also include their experiences as a child

• Was your family poor
  
• Were you molested as a child
  
• Were you beaten as a child
  
• were your parents supportive
  
• Were your parents heavy drug users or alcoholics
  
• Were your parents criminals
  
• Did you suffer from any learning disabilities
  

Child abuse and crime - 4th 2007, by The Economist

Childhood Poverty Impacts Future Success

How about other factors that effect success.

• Are you short
  
• Are you un-attractive
  
• Do you suffer from a handicap
  
• Are you socially ackward
  

My point is success has very little to do with hard work. But I'm sure people would pat you on the back if your hand wasn't in the way.

Edited September 28, 2011 by CitizenX

[lukin]

As long as you also include their experiences as a child

Was your family poor

Were you molested as a child

Were you beaten as a child

were your parents supportive

Were your parents heavy drug users or alcoholics

Were your parents criminals

Child abuse and crime - 4th 2007, by The Economist

Childhood Poverty Impacts Future Success

Having kids is a main source of income for may, and a good source at that. I feel bad for the kids, but the parents have learned how to use the liberal system for entitlements.

[bush_cheney2004]

You cheer me up every day bc, because I know I'll never be as bitter and jaded as you.

Frankly, I don't know how you depressing bleeding hearts face a new sunrise each day. No wonder drugs are so popular with losers!

[jacee]

Exactly, they've been given a free ride their whole lives and now that their parents have kicked them out of their homes at 25, they can't pay their government subsidized student loans off, and they have discovered that no one wants to hire a B average philosophy major, they want another free ride from the wealthy too.

Most of these kids haven't worked a full time job in their lives and claim to be standing up for the working man.

The last thing we need is the government to subsidize the creation of more of these leeches. How many unemployed arts majors does one country need?

This year the share of young people who were employed in July was 48.8 percent, the lowest July rate on record for the series, which began in 1948. (The month of July typically is the summertime peak in youth employment.)

http://bls.gov/news.release/youth.nr0.htm

Like I said, learn something before you spew ignorant stereotypes. Youth unemployment is at all time highs. Two protesters I recall reading about had degrees in business management and finance. These aren't young people who step into a job at daddy's company. They work for it, but jobs are very scarce for everyone right now, even summer jobs.

Maybe they understand ("the workingman"?) working people because that's who they were raised by.

Your prejudice against youth is noted. Midlife crisis? Jealousy? Guilt?

Question your own motives, not theirs. Their motive is to get jobs and right now that requires changing the system that has imploded because it is not sustainable.

Historically youth radicalize when disparities between expectations and reality persist. As we've seen in other countries today social media is an unprecedented tool for finding out what is going on, informing others and organizing collective action. Young people need jobs, and we shouldn't wait for mass protests before taking serious action.

Oops! Too late!

Edited September 28, 2011 by jacee

[bush_cheney2004]

...Your prejudice against youth is noted. Midlife crisis? Jealousy? Guilt?

Question your own motives, not theirs. Their motive is to get jobs and right now that requires changing the system that has imploded because it is not sustainable.

No, it's a prejudice against sloth and privilege. Nobody is guaranteed a job in their desired field. What needs to change is their expectations and aversion to manual labor. Illegal immigrants can find jobs without any such whining.

[cybercoma]

Great. Tens of thousands of dollars in debt for "higher education" to go work in the fields for less than minimum wage.

[bush_cheney2004]

Great. Tens of thousands of dollars in debt for "higher education" to go work in the fields for less than minimum wage.

Gee...all that education and they never learned how to work. No wonder they struggle....

[jacee]

No, it's a prejudice against sloth and privilege. Nobody is guaranteed a job in their desired field. What needs to change is their expectations and aversion to manual labor. Illegal immigrants can find jobs without any such whining.

Those with "privilege" have sweet jobs in daddy's company.

It's not the 'privileged' who protest.

Your grip on reality is questionable.

[CPCFTW]

http://bls.gov/news.release/youth.nr0.htm

Like I said, learn something before you spew ignorant stereotypes. Youth unemployment is at all time highs. Two protesters I recall reading about had degrees in business management and finance. These aren't young people who step into a job at daddy's company. They work for it, but jobs are very scarce for everyone right now, even summer jobs.

Your prejudice against youth is noted. Midlife crisis? Jealousy? Guilt?

Question your own motives, not theirs. Their motive is to get jobs and right now that requires changing the system that has imploded because it is not sustainable.

Oops! Too late!

I just said we need to stop subsidizing unemployed arts grads... how does that not jive with your source? Because you "recall" reading about 2 business grads who were protesting along with the arts grads too?

I like how you add that additional quote at the bottom as if it came from the same bureau of labour statistics source. Mislead much? We know most of your sources are communist blogs, you don't have to hide it.

Yes, jobs are scarce. No, throwing feces and chanting slogans is not going to fix it. Jobs are going to be scarce for the foreseeable future while the failed socialist system is in its death throes.

[Guest Derek L]

As long as you also include their experiences as a child

• Was your family poor
  
• Were you molested as a child
  
• Were you beaten as a child
  
• were your parents supportive
  
• Were your parents heavy drug users or alcoholics
  
• Were your parents criminals
  
• Did you suffer from any learning disabilities
  

Child abuse and crime - 4th 2007, by The Economist

Childhood Poverty Impacts Future Success

How about other factors that effect success.

• Are you short
  
• Are you un-attractive
  
• Do you suffer from a handicap
  
• Are you socially ackward
  

My point is success has very little to do with hard work. But I'm sure people would pat you on the back if your hand wasn't in the way.

Why stop there? How about their parents or their grandparents etc? Or if they’re lucky…….they’ve had their heart broken………picked last for sports teams in school……..got shot down asking someone to a dance………

You don’t think there are “successful” people whom had tough childhoods? What obviously counts, is the choices one makes as a young adult on where they will be ten, twenty, thirty years into the future……….At some point, personal accountability comes into play.

[CPCFTW]

Great. Tens of thousands of dollars in debt for "higher education" to go work in the fields for less than minimum wage.

I'm glad you pointed that out because that's one of the major flaws of the socialist dream. Borrow money from China so that everyone can have a degree for 10 cents on the dollar, but now everyone is too "educated" to get their hands dirty, so let the Chinese manufacture stuff for us and borrow more money from them to pay for it too. Now that the lending to prop up this dream is drying up, it's time to start taking someone else's money... I know who we can target, the wealthy!!

[CitizenX]

Jobs are going to be scarce for the foreseeable future while the failed socialist system is in its death throes.

WOW you've got balls to call it a "failed socialist system", when it plain for everyone to see that it's a failed Capitalist system, and an American Empire in its death throes.