Corporate tax cuts/breaks don't create jobs!

[jacee]

Oh right... The evil bankers. My mistake. I can't keep up with the left's boogeyman of the day.

Not the bankers, though they toady to them.

I'm talking about the wealthiest 1percent of the population who own 40percent of the wealth and all of the power. The wealth is stashed offshore and the power is having politicians in their pockets.

They run the country, and our money increasingly flows into their pockets.

[Michael Hardner]

There may wind up being a lower standard of living in Canada, but hundreds of millions of Chinese are improving their standard of living.

I'm glad to spread the wealth around. Let's do it here too. The benefits of globalization need to be spread, as you said. Taxing income and investment will slow things down so let's raise property taxes on the wealthiest homes, instead of cutting, cutting, cutting.

We can use the money to invest in our cities, fix infrastructure to attract more investment.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm glad to spread the wealth around. Let's do it here too. The benefits of globalization need to be spread, as you said. Taxing income and investment will slow things down so let's raise property taxes on the wealthiest homes, instead of cutting, cutting, cutting.

How are you going to do that? A variable mill rate would not survive a court challenge.

We can use the money to invest in our cities, fix infrastructure to attract more investment.

You won't get any more investment by targeting "rich people".

[Guest Derek L]

I never understood why some feel wealth is a zero sum game………Like the well used cliché, make a bigger pie……I’m not opposed to the “middle class” becoming “wealthy” or the poor becoming “middle class”…….I just don’t want them eating my slice of the pie……they’re more than welcome to make their own pie……..

[bush_cheney2004]

I never understood why some feel wealth is a zero sum game………Like the well used cliché, make a bigger pie……I’m not opposed to the “middle class” becoming “wealthy” or the poor becoming “middle class”…….I just don’t want them eating my slice of the pie……they’re more than welcome to make their own pie……..

Now they don't even want to wait for you to die (estate / inheritance taxes)...they want to tax "wealth", on top of income.

[TimG]

How are you going to do that? A variable mill rate would not survive a court challenge.

Maybe in the US. I think it would be fine in Canada. The courts don't place many restrictions on how governments can tax. Edited September 13, 2011 by TimG

[Guest Derek L]

Now they don't even want to wait for you to die (estate / inheritance taxes)...they want to tax "wealth", on top of income.

Well, if it gets too bad, I’ll just take my ball and my “wealth” to the Turks and Caicos……

[jacee]

Now they don't even want to wait for you to die (estate / inheritance taxes)...they want to tax "wealth", on top of income.

Ya the wealth that got stashed offshore and never was taxed as income would be a good start.

[bush_cheney2004]

Ya the wealth that got stashed offshore and never was taxed as income would be a good start.

Sure....just as soon as you go after the untaxed underground economy, a favorite of the "poor".

[Guest Derek L]

Sure....just as soon as you go after the untaxed underground economy, a favorite of the "poor".

Good point....How many “poor” are collecting EI or welfare well working for cash under the table?

[CPCFTW]

Ya the wealth that got stashed offshore and never was taxed as income would be a good start.

Guaranteed anyone who has enough wealth to stash offshore paid more than his/her fair share of taxes in their lifetime. There's a reason they'd be stashing it offshore.

Edited September 13, 2011 by CPCFTW

[dre]

Transalation: work that has a market value of $8.50 per hour got performed for $8.50 per hour.

The govt of Alberta used to pay thousands of staff to sell beer and wine at $22/hour plus benefits in govt owned buildings. Now it is performed by private sector cashiers and shelf-stockers for what the work is worth: minimum wage. benefit: me and every other taxpayer.

Not necessarily. The government collected a lot of taxes from those $22 per hour workers, and they will collect almost nothing from minimum wage workers when all is said and done. IN FACT! Those minimum wage workers will probably require various diferent government subsidies to live... those come out of your pocket.

And the 22 dollar per hour workers were dumping lots of that money into the economy through consumption.

[dre]

Good point....How many “poor” are collecting EI or welfare well working for cash under the table?

Or how many people are making a few thousand bux a month selling weed? Hundreds of thousands?

DEFINATELY we should be collecting taxes from those kind of activities. Pretty silly to raise taxes on the middle or upper class while we dont even bother to try and collect taxes billions of dollars worth of transactions by soft drug dealers, prostitutes etc.

Edited September 13, 2011 by dre

[dre]

Well, if it gets too bad, I’ll just take my ball and my “wealth” to the Turks and Caicos……

Or Somalia! Zero percent tax rates baby!!! Clearly the economy must be pipin hot without the jack-boots of big government on peoples necks, and no taxes.

Oh wait... :angry:

[Michael Hardner]

How are you going to do that? A variable mill rate would not survive a court challenge.

I erred. Homes are already flat taxed... good for them, we'll just raise the mill rate.

You won't get any more investment by targeting "rich people".

They will pay for some things, though... such as a nice house in a big city. Let's find out what they're willing to spend on and tax it. Bake their tithe into things that matter to them.

[Black Dog]

Maybe because we believe that society is better off that way? They are doing their jobs and they are paid well to do it.

I know you think you're a white knight sticking up for the little guy, but conservatives don't have the same jealousy and envy of CEOs and executives as you. Conservatives dream of being a wealthy CEO themselves and want to protect the freedom to reach that goal or to pursue their own success. Conservatives admire the CEOs and executives. Liberals jealously want to reap the rewards of the hard work of others and to have a comfortable life handed to everyone out of thin air. Anyone who succeeds is demonized in the socialist world.

Conservatives are pretty stupid, then.

[Wild Bill]

Or Somalia! Zero percent tax rates baby!!! Clearly the economy must be pipin hot without the jack-boots of big government on peoples necks, and no taxes.

Oh wait... :angry:

What about Hong Kong?

[CPCFTW]

Conservatives are pretty stupid, then.

Yes it's stupid to dream of being successful instead of dreaming of sucking on the government's teat for as many vacation days as possible to sip wine and eat cheese in France.

[Black Dog]

Yes it's stupid to dream of being successful instead of dreaming of sucking on the government's teat for as many vacation days as possible to sip wine and eat cheese in France.

If both are equally impossible, yes, it is stupid.

People who support fiscal policies that benefit the people they would like to (but never will) become are pretty much retards in my book.

Edited September 13, 2011 by Black Dog

[CPCFTW]

If both are equally impossible, yes, it is stupid.

People who support fiscal policies that benefit the people they would like to (but never will) become are pretty much retards in my book.

It's not like I'm saying we should funnel all funds to a CEO. I just said they're people that conservatives admire, like a pro hockey player. I don't demonize wealthy CEOs anymore than I demonize Sidney Crosby. They're both doing their jobs and making millions. It's the left that has that sickening jealousy of people who are more successful than them.

Edited September 13, 2011 by CPCFTW

[jacee]

Or how many people are making a few thousand bux a month selling weed? Hundreds of thousands?

DEFINATELY we should be collecting taxes from those kind of activities. Pretty silly to raise taxes on the middle or upper class while we dont even bother to try and collect taxes billions of dollars worth of transactions by soft drug dealers, prostitutes etc.

Legalize, regulate and tax it. Sounds good to me!

[Rick]

It's not like I'm saying we should funnel all funds to a CEO. I just said they're people that conservatives admire, like a pro hockey player. I don't demonize wealthy CEOs anymore than I demonize Sidney Crosby. They're both doing their jobs and making millions. It's the left that has that sickening jealousy of people who are more successful than them.

It's not jealousy it's more like anger from seeing retards continually support the exploitation of the working class.

In essence, the right wing's worship of slavery.

[jacee]

Sure....just as soon as you go after the untaxed underground economy, a favorite of the "poor".

Peanuts.

[jacee]

Guaranteed anyone who has enough wealth to stash offshore paid more than his/her fair share of taxes in their lifetime. There's a reason they'd be stashing it offshore.

Ya, to avoid paying their legal and fair share of taxes, and guess what that makes them? CRIMINALS !!!

And it's not peanuts we're talking about here, but obscene wealth earned via Canadian labour, on Canadian land, and likely with Canadian government subsidies, paid by the rest of us taxpayers.

Those of you who aspire to their wealth are their toadies, defending their right to commit tax fraud and deplete government coffers to provide them with more obscene wealth sucked from the rest of us ... including you.

They're laughing at you all the way to the Caymans!

We need special jails for people like that, where they clean the toilets of the prostitutes, pimps and dealers, or maybe chain gangs to clean the playgrounds of condoms and needles for the safety of the kids, or maybe cooking and serving nutritious meals for kids whose parents are unemployed and on welfare and cannot afford to feed them well.

The possibilities are endless!

Edited September 13, 2011 by jacee

[CPCFTW]

It's not jealousy it's more like anger from seeing retards continually support the exploitation of the working class.

In essence, the right wing's worship of slavery.

Us "retards" don't consider providing jobs as being exploitation.