jbg Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Posted January 26, 2012 Maybe the other poster can be more specific about your prejudices.That's what I have in mind. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
LonJowett Posted January 26, 2012 Report Posted January 26, 2012 Aren't they perfectly obvious? Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
jbg Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Posted January 27, 2012 Aren't they perfectly obvious? Yeah. That you hate Jews. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
LonJowett Posted January 27, 2012 Report Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Yeah. That you hate Jews. I'm Jewish, once lived on a kibbutz, and love Israel. I just see no future for our people in provoking fights with muslims, and find those who try to twist that into a hatred of jews to be pathetic and very, very counter-productive. Edited January 27, 2012 by LonJowett Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
jbg Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Posted January 27, 2012 I'm Jewish, once lived on a kibbutz, and love Israel. I just see no future for our people in provoking fights with muslims, and find those who try to twist that into a hatred of jews to be pathetic and very, very counter-productive. I didn't mean to twist anything. I am concerned that Israel's small size makes its existence questionable if the neighbors don't have truly peaceful intentions, unless they have a buffer. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
LonJowett Posted January 27, 2012 Report Posted January 27, 2012 I didn't mean to twist anything. Playland Amusement Park is a large buffer. Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
jbg Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Posted January 28, 2012 I'm Jewish, once lived on a kibbutz, and love Israel. I just see no future for our people in provoking fights with muslims, and find those who try to twist that into a hatred of jews to be pathetic and very, very counter-productive. I didn't mean to twist anything. I am concerned that Israel's small size makes its existence questionable if the neighbors don't have truly peaceful intentions, unless they have a buffer. Playland Amusement Park is a large buffer. I tried to make out a serious response to your post, and get back a bad joke. What else can I say?No one has addressed the question as to why some people seem to be above the law. Are they privileged? Or do we fear violence? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
LonJowett Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 I tried to make out a serious response to your post, and get back a bad joke. What else can I say? A serious response? All you did was say I hate Jews. Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
Guest American Woman Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 I have no particular reason for these youngsters to wind up with a criminal record, or go to jail. I have two serious problems with the above result: That the "re-arrest" interval is two months, not the normal six months; and That they are free to file an action against the County. I suspect that the defense counsel are nervous that their clients will re-offend, so sought a short period. Further, as a County taxpayer, I am appalled that the County could be sued. There is no question that the wearers of head scarfs knew or should have known that they were forbidden. The signage is clear, and the common sense need for the regulation is obvious. The parties paying for this nonsense are people like myself, who pay taxes and obey the law. I suspect that the very short two-month window, and the ability to sue, are a cave-in to fears of violence. Do you honestly think this is the first time less than a six month re-arrest interval has been part of such a deal? The article says "most adjournments in contemplation of dismissal have a six-month window," which means not all do. So in all of the other cases, do you think it was "a cave-in to fears of violence?" As for their right to sue the county, why wouldn't they have that right? It doesn't mean they are going to win. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 They're having their charges dismissed without guilty pleas, yet the police allegedly showed "restraint and professionalism" in the way they handled the situation? Something doesn't add up there. You don't just throw out charges when the cops did everything correctly. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 They're having their charges dismissed without guilty pleas, yet the police allegedly showed "restraint and professionalism" in the way they handled the situation? Something doesn't add up there. You don't just throw out charges when the cops did everything correctly. Seems to me you are pretty naive if you believe that never happens. Quote
jbg Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Posted January 29, 2012 Something doesn't add up there. You don't just throw out charges when the cops did everything correctly. I suspect strongly that it has more to do with the fear of triggering a violent reaction. Appeasement all the way. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 We'll see when they sue. Their "lawyers" are probably cooking up a defense as we wait. Quote
jbg Posted January 29, 2012 Author Report Posted January 29, 2012 Their "lawyers" are probably cooking up a defense as we wait. The defense should be the fact that the government needs to be able to manage an inherently dangerous situation in foresight, not hindsight. They should not be held to a standard of perfection. In the real world they'll settle out. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 The defense should be the fact that the government needs to be able to manage an inherently dangerous situation in foresight, not hindsight. They should not be held to a standard of perfection. In the real world they'll settle out. I was speaking of the Muslims - they are probably cooking up a story to make the police appear guilty. Quote
LonJowett Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 I was speaking of the Muslims - they are probably cooking up a story to make the police appear guilty. Those crafty muslims... Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
kimmy Posted January 29, 2012 Report Posted January 29, 2012 They're having their charges dismissed without guilty pleas, yet the police allegedly showed "restraint and professionalism" in the way they handled the situation? Something doesn't add up there. You don't just throw out charges when the cops did everything correctly. If your logic is correct, then something suspicious is going on every time a policeman lets a motorist off with a warning. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
The_Squid Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 If the facts of the case are true, and these folks started a near-riot because they don't like removing scarves due to a safety-ban, then not only should they be charged they should also be deported after their sentences are served. Quote
jbg Posted January 30, 2012 Author Report Posted January 30, 2012 If the facts of the case are true, and these folks started a near-riot because they don't like removing scarves due to a safety-ban, then not only should they be charged they should also be deported after their sentences are served. The facts are pretty much undisputed. The Muslim organization was told of the scarf ban but they did not see fit to let their members, who were going to Playland, know about it.What is disputed is whether the police used excessive force, or were goaded by violence directed at them. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Michael Hardner Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 And I'm not sure how deportation would result from such a small issue. I would hate to think that a single issue could be politicized in such a way to make that happen - it's unfair. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
The_Squid Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 And I'm not sure how deportation would result from such a small issue. I would hate to think that a single issue could be politicized in such a way to make that happen - it's unfair. I'm sure that it won't! It probably isn't even being contemplated. However, in my view, immigrants that start riots over not removing a scarf due to safety concerns are not people that I would want in my country. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 I'm sure that it won't! It probably isn't even being contemplated. I don't think there's anyone who would even have enough authority to see all the way through that idea, and would also have the discretion to pursue the case. However, in my view, immigrants that start riots over not removing a scarf due to safety concerns are not people that I would want in my country. I thought you might feel that way. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 I was speaking of the Muslims - they are probably cooking up a story to make the police appear guilty. I guess your POV only makes sense if they're definitely not guilty. Is that your viewpoint ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Scotty Posted January 30, 2012 Report Posted January 30, 2012 Look - YOU just said you were trying to help out by listing your prejudices. This is all sort of nonsense anyway, so we likely don't need to parse this further. Maybe the other poster can be more specific about your prejudices. Maybe the 'facilitator' might point out to the other poster to play the ball instead of attacking the poster. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
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