William Ashley Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) Your answer need not be a christian fundamentalist state with strong ties to the Vatican, and church of England. None the less I've donated a little but am rather suprised how little was donated to this famine. There were 35 ships lined up to provide aid for Tripoli's 2 million people without food or water... yet this crisis predates the Libyan coupe... why is it that the UN and NATO can line up food and water for a war that was made by the UN but doesn't seem to be this organized for a natural disaster. It just makes no sense. Billions are being pirated to the TNC.... Billions.. meanwhile funds are only trickling into a starvation Why would you create a situation where 2 million people are cut off from basic water and sanitation when you can't even adequettely deal with a famine happening not too far away. These people are monsters. Edited September 1, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bud Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 here are a couple of charities that have been rated high as far as efficiency and accountability: action against hunger and if you don't mind giving to a religious charity: catholic relief services Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Saipan Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 I'd donate my time (and ammo) to take care of the pirates Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Posted September 1, 2011 "Somolia"? Sorry, but Somalia got its chance over 20 years ago and blew it. Good luck.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 None the less I've donated a little but am rather suprised how little was donated to this famine.**************Why would you create a situation where 2 million people are cut off from basic water and sanitation when you can't even adequettely deal with a famine happening not too far away. These people are monsters. Why would you donate when you know the money is going to the militants that caused the problem? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Saipan Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 why is it that the UN and NATO can line up food and water for a war that was made by the UN but doesn't seem to be this organized for a natural disaster. USA always is. Btw, they were the very first, by far, in Indonesia after the Tsunami. Even a gay in Osama bin Laden t-shirt was served as he stay in line for water and food from US Army Quote
jbg Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 Even a gay in Osama bin Laden t-shirt was served as he stay in line for water and food from US Army No, Saudi Arabia and Libya were there first. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Saipan Posted September 2, 2011 Report Posted September 2, 2011 No, Saudi Arabia and Libya were there first. They are always there. Quote
jbg Posted September 3, 2011 Report Posted September 3, 2011 No, Saudi Arabia and Libya were there first. They are always there. That is why I have great admiration for the Arabs. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
kimmy Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 Doctors Without Borders: Somolia Can't Be Helped The head of an international medical charity has called on aid agencies to stop presenting a misleading picture of the famine in Somalia and admit that helping the worst-affected people is almost impossible.The international president of Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), Dr Unni Karunakara, returned from Somalia last week and said that, even though there was chronic malnutrition and drought across east Africa, hardly any agencies were able to work inside war-torn Somalia, where the picture was "profoundly distressing". He condemned other organisations and the media for "glossing over" the reality in order to convince people that simply giving money for food was the answer. (...) "We may have to live with the reality that we may never be able to reach the communities most in need of help," he said. Karunakara said that the use of phrases such as "famine in the Horn of Africa" or "worst drought in 60 years" obscured the "man-made" factors that had created the crisis and wrongly implied that the solution was simply to find the money to ship enough food to the region. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) The Somalian ex-pats I have spoken with say there is only one practical answer to the situation back home....leave. Edited September 4, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
William Ashley Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) The Somalian ex-pats I have spoken with say there is only one practical answer to the situation back home....leave. And that is part of the problem. When I was held in Otay Mesa, actually there were a lot of Somalians there. Their journey was actually very suprising.. they had quite the trip to apply for refuge status in the US. What I still don't get is how they got the thousands of dollars to make the trip... (arn't they suppose to be "poor" third world types - apparently they may be selling their land just to escape) None the less Kenya is overflowing with Somali's it is all good to "flee" but you need somewhere to flee. Also it would likely further entrench the courts. Since their own people will be most supported, the people who are out are those with weaker ties to the government or oppositional forces. (the side story is that they were trying to "expel" someone whose family was all american - they grew up since they were like 7 in America, getting ready to go to college.. kid gets caught with a gun, and they want to send him back to Somalia... (because he hadn't yet applied for naturalization) figure that. (now if it wasn't an extremist front in Somalia, it would be a good time to buy in) http://www.worldpropertychannel.com/international-markets/residential-real-estate/real-estate-news-somalia-south-africa-real-estate-african-real-estate-developers-abdullahi-nur-elasha-biyaha-afgoye-united-nations-africa-property-developers-3480.php Edited September 4, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 (the side story is that they were trying to "expel" someone whose family was all american - they grew up since they were like 7 in America, getting ready to go to college.. kid gets caught with a gun, and they want to send him back to Somalia... (because he hadn't yet applied for naturalization) figure that. Then obviously they were not "American". Play by the rules to get to and stay in the Promised Land. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
William Ashley Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) Then obviously they were not "American". Play by the rules to get to and stay in the Promised Land. I'm thinking he did, the judge would have to be nuts to ship the guy to Somolia but that was one possible scenario-- actually that was what he had to appear to "stop" from happening. (You live most of your life in a country and don't have the cash to become a US citizen its a little backward if since you were a kid, you went to school graduated in the US, and still you get sent back to the third world while your parents and siblings are all US citizens you grew up with, all because you didn't pay for a piece of paper confirming it, you pledge to the flag and all that shit and still its not the same because of a bill and a piece of paper--- I guess that is how the US works right, its more than a bill and a piece of paper I suppose but why deprive naturalization from the poor? There were a lot of lifelong American's in there. I can't really say the full story but apparently only some Felonies can get you booted in that scenario. However it was really surprising to see people all getting shipped home. It was actually really suprising. Most thought they would beat the rap... but it is basically "Extra jail time" for non citizens is how it worked. You go to prison then you get extra time in jail from ICE and have to go through the courts a hundreds of dollars a day to the tax payer. The system is absolute madness. The fact the US also paid my bills when I entered with the intent to get a bus or plane home -- only to be held for a LONG time on the tax payer dime just shows how it is all backward.. but apparently it is good for a debt ridden state like California because the Federal government transfers money in to the state to do it for the facilities and facility staff etc... My forced stay I'm geussing cost the US taxpayer $6000-$10000 --- this while facilities are "overflowing" and they have people lined up in military barracks because there arn't enough facilities for ice detentions... it could be designed but they seem to purposely want to stuff the system - make up false stories without evidence, and prevent access to the courts for remedy for as long as they can. It is one of the aspects of the US that truly disgusts me. I won't go into great detail --- but I don't think most people want to end up in Israel. There is also the "crime rule" my memory doesn't serve me exactly on how it works but apparently you do certain types of crimes and you are rumped out. Apparently gun charges "can" be this type but not all. Need to find the legislation. A lot of this stuff was the reason for deporting "the Americans" (They were essentially American as far as I could tell but due to not being born in the US even if living their life in the US were still susceptible to deportation http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/155/ Its this same type of BS that has me "banned from the US" because a CBP officer thought I wanted to live in California and collect pogey (even though it was impossible to do so as far as I can tell, although they later may have forced me to stay in Otay for months and have now said next time it is 10 years if I show up again). Even though I have never had the intent to do such, because that CBP officer says they think that.. I am unable to go to the US. It is total bs. It is abuse. The Alien Act of 1798, known as the Alien and Sedition Laws, empowered the President to expel any alien, or non-citizen, he deemed dangerous. It all derives from that, but the gun people even if they had a criminal history and were connected with crime etc.. were generally nice people. --- Now it could all have been set up because some of the stories were unreal, but it is really quite sad what is going on with them. It was sad for me because I was held for a long time while we all officially wanted me to go to Canada - but the red tape delayed things, and they abused the red tape to hold me for many many weeks. Some of them are there for a hell of a lot longer just to present their cases, and in some cases are essentially no risk to be in the public. Like years just fighting extradition, some people choose not to fight the abuse simply because doing so would have them in jail while doing it. I had no intent of staying in the US, but I was even warned they would process me for application for refugee status, if I said the wrong thing. It is possible but I feel less secure in the US than Canada, and I don't feel secure in Canada. They totally abuse the process. It is not right if a casual traveler gets abducted and they force the person to stay in the country just to clear their name for made up lies. It is just plain ugly. I wouldn't have an issue if it were true. Back to the story though, I'd be really surprised if the guy got shipped to Somalia - it was just a side story when there were bands of Somalis getting refugee status - who broke the law to get into America, while they were shipping out someone who lived their life in America, only to break the law, and get sent away. But this is about Somalia. TRAC http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/158/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggravated_felony They put some guy who was just traveling in with people with felony charges for firearms offenses and drug trafficking?? amongst other things You think maybe they could seperate the people coming out of prison/jail being streamed for ICE issues, from people taken in at the border for non entry clearance without any criminal related offence. Like legally try to enter the US (because it lays between Mexico and Canada) get denied because someone made up a story about you but then get connected with armed cartel criminals, gang members, drug traffickers and coyotes. huh? Something isn't right in this. It is like a ponzi scheme to spike my RICO. Edited September 4, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 ...It was sad for me because I was held for a long time while we all officially wanted me to go to Canada - but the red tape delayed things, and they abused the red tape to hold me for many many weeks. Look, your oft repeated tale of woe and sorrow does not compare to what happens to illegal immigrants from Somalia. The comparison is ludicrous. If the USA "sucks" so much, why the hell do clowns like you keep whining about not getting back in? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 How can this be possibe! Surely the worlds only minarchist libertarian society must be wonderous paradise now that theres no big central government keep the man down. Where the hell is the invisible hand damn it! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted September 4, 2011 Report Posted September 4, 2011 "Somolia"? Sorry, but Somalia got its chance over 20 years ago and blew it. Good luck.... Probably the first time and the last I'll agree with Bush Cheney. Somalia and its crew of illiterate, backwards savages can sink into the earth and disappear for all I care. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted September 5, 2011 Report Posted September 5, 2011 Probably the first time and the last I'll agree with Bush Cheney. Somalia and its crew of illiterate, backwards savages can sink into the earth and disappear for all I care. I tend to agree with the outcome. Not that I don't care but any money we send will go to the wrong people, not to help. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
William Ashley Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) Look, your oft repeated tale of woe and sorrow does not compare to what happens to illegal immigrants from Somalia. The comparison is ludicrous. If the USA "sucks" so much, why the hell do clowns like you keep whining about not getting back in? YES BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO STAY, I WAS ONLY TRAVELING HOME FROM MEXICO! THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE! THEY WANT TO BE IN THE US. I JUST WANTED TO TRAVEL VIA THE US. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/somalia/8742413/Famine-spreads-with-750000-at-risk-of-death-in-Somalia-alone-UN-says.html This article raised another point in my mind.. IF YOU ARN'T GOING TO DONATE.. atleast buy their homes or trade with them property for food. Real estate even in a war torn country has some value. Edited September 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Posted September 5, 2011 YES BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO STAY, I WAS ONLY TRAVELING HOME FROM MEXICO! THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE! THEY WANT TO BE IN THE US. I JUST WANTED TO TRAVEL VIA THE US. Then that means you wanted to enter the US. You could have easily traveled to Mexico by another route. Don't make the same mistake that Maher Arar did...LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
William Ashley Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) Then that means you wanted to enter the US. You could have easily traveled to Mexico by another route. Don't make the same mistake that Maher Arar did...LOL! I was traveling back from Mexico to Canada at the time (not Canada to Mexico), it was the end of my trip not the beginning. Flights from LA were less likewise I would have saved if I took greyhound back as opposed to flying out from Tijuana where my trip ended and then to DF (Mexico City) then DF to Toronto direct. It cost less to go to Sandiego or then LA onward to Toronto. Arar was a completely different situation - even if potentially related. I don't find it funny. Edited September 5, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Posted September 5, 2011 I was traveling back from Mexico to Canada at the time (not Canada to Mexico), it was the end of my trip not the beginning. Flights from LA were less likewise I would have saved if I took greyhound back as opposed to flying out from Tijuana where my trip ended and then to DF (Mexico City) then DF to Toronto direct. It cost less to go to Sandiego or then LA onward to Toronto. It almost always costs less that the pirate airfare prices Canadians have to pay. You could have flown to Havana (HAV) instead, then a direct flight to Canada! Arar was a completely different situation - even if potentially related. I don't find it funny. I find it to be hilarious..like you...Arar should have booked a direct flight back to Montreal. The only difference is that he made $10,000,000 from Canadian taxpayers and you didn't. That's the funny part/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted September 5, 2011 Report Posted September 5, 2011 I tend to agree with the outcome. Not that I don't care but any money we send will go to the wrong people, not to help. Agreed. Sending money to Somalia is a futile exercise. Quote
jbg Posted September 5, 2011 Report Posted September 5, 2011 I tend to agree with the outcome. Not that I don't care but any money we send will go to the wrong people, not to help. Agreed. Sending money to Somalia is a futile exercise. Unfortunately the result is no better with Haiti or Pakistan earthquake relief, or Indonesia tsunami relief. To show I am equal opportunity, even most Katrina aid benefitted the Red Cross' overhead, not the victims. The victims would have been wealthy indeed if the aid had simply been redistributed to them. Tragedies are big business. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bloodyminded Posted September 6, 2011 Report Posted September 6, 2011 I'd donate my time (and ammo) to take care of the pirates You "would," except you're not..... Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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