Black Dog Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Please tell me. What can the CBC say that, perhaps the CTV New can't. Huh? The CBC is required to broadcast more Canadian content than its private counterparts. You don't think that's a competitive advantage for the privates? Maybe that's why CTV is more popular than the National. Nonsequiter. You also haven't addressed why the CBC is deserving of that money when they are simply doing similar stuff to private companies. You obviously missed the five times I said the CBC should not be competing with the private broadcasters by doing "similar stuff." Quote
Boges Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Huh? The CBC is required to broadcast more Canadian content than its private counterparts. You don't think that's a competitive advantage for the privates? Nonsequiter. You obviously missed the five times I said the CBC should not be competing with the private broadcasters by doing "similar stuff." They do, do similar stuff. I was more referring to News however. There are private cable channels that provide most of it's content being Canadian. I make a point not the watch US programming on Canadian channels if I can avoid it. If they didn't produce it, they don't deserve the ratings. Quote
Smallc Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 To be honest, I really don't understand why CBC TV needs to exist. I think that the money spent on the television portion of CBC could be better spent in the form of more production grants, so we can get more Canadian TV that people will actually watch. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 They do, do similar stuff. I was more referring to News however. What specifically? There are private cable channels that provide most of it's content being Canadian. Which ones and how much? We haven't even touched the economic impact of the CBC's mandate for producing Canadian programming that private broadcasters wouldn't touch. Quote
Boges Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 What specifically? Are you denying that CTV New, Global and the National tackle similar issues? Quote
Black Dog Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Are you denying that CTV New, Global and the National tackle similar issues? Sure, with different perspectives. What's wrong with that? Quote
Smallc Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Sure, with different perspectives. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with that is that CBC is competing with private enterprise, and taking money from them. While CBC Radio really is different than the private offerings, CBC TV is nothing to get excited about. Quote
Boges Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Sure, with different perspectives. What's wrong with that? Why is a broadcaster that gets much of it's income from the government having any perspective? Quote
Black Dog Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 What's wrong with that is that CBC is competing with private enterprise, and taking money from them. Let's say you're right. What's wrong with that, exactly? Quote
Smallc Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Let's say you're right. What's wrong with that, exactly? You honestly don't understand what's wrong with that? Why should the government be in competition with the private sector when we're talking about something that the private sector can do perfectly well? Quote
Black Dog Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Why should the government be in competition with the private sector when we're talking about something that the private sector can do perfectly well? To offer things the private sector will not. Quote
Boges Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 To offer things the private sector will not. Such as? Hockey? Little Mosque on the Prairies? Battle of the Blades? Hyper-partisan left wing radio that doesn't need to sell ad space? Quote
Black Dog Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Such as? Hockey? Little Mosque on the Prairies? Battle of the Blades? Do you honestly think private broadcasters in this country have any interest in generating their own Canadian material? Documentaries, current-affairs programs, Canadian-made dramas and comedies? Quote
Boges Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Do you honestly think private broadcasters in this country have any interest in generating their own Canadian material? Documentaries, current-affairs programs, Canadian-made dramas and comedies? Yes. But perhaps you have to have cable to see them. The trend is going towards a lot of reality TV however. But that's the same with much of TV around the world. And it's not crappy reality TV either. It's pretty solid stuff. Watch Slice, History TV, Nat Geo, FoodTV, you'll see a lot of Can Con stuff that's not horrible like Little Mosque on the prairies. BTW many of the Docs I see on the CBC weren't produced by the CBC at all. Quote
Boges Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) BTW 2.0 Documentaries were the first form of Reality TV. Edited August 24, 2011 by Boges Quote
cybercoma Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 PIK, Saipan and Boges have stated repeatedly in this thread that CBC has a strong liberal bias. Can you guys provide some concrete examples of this bias? Quote
Smallc Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Do you honestly think private broadcasters in this country have any interest in generating their own Canadian material? Documentaries, current-affairs programs, Canadian-made dramas and comedies? So use CBCs budget to give them grants. Also, CTV and Global do create Canadian content. I watch Flashpoint every week. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 So use CBCs budget to give them grants. So you have no problem giving money to the private sector? I thought conservatives oppossed subsidies? Also, CTV and Global do create Canadian content. I watch Flashpoint every week. I never said they did not. They have to, after all, because of CanCon regulations. Of course, a truly principled conservative would want those scrapped as well. Quote
Boges Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 So use CBCs budget to give them grants. Also, CTV and Global do create Canadian content. I watch Flashpoint every week. Question Period is a good show. Quote
Smallc Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 So you have no problem giving money to the private sector? I thought conservatives oppossed subsidies? Who said I'm a conservative? I never said they did not. They have to, after all, because of CanCon regulations. Of course, a truly principled conservative would want those scrapped as well. Well, I'm sorry that all people don't fit your ideological model. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 There's only one post in this entire thread that gave me pause and it was the one from Smallc. The CBC was meant to stem the tide of American media influencing Canadian culture. It's purpose was to have an outlet for Canadian cultural products and media. Given that purpose, maybe Smallc's proposal deserves some thought. What if instead of funding the CBC that money went to a Canadian Media Fund to give grants to Canadian productions. The broadcaster doesn't necessarily need to be funded by the federal government, if the productions are. I think it's a good idea worth exploring. I can, however, see the problem that we may end up with some well-funded Canadian cultural products with no venue, if the other networks don't pick them up. Perhaps, though, we should consider having a Canadian Public Broadcaster like NPR that survives on donations instead. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Who said I'm a conservative? The name and the position you're taking suggested as much. Regardless, I don't see how giving more direct subsidies to private companies is a better solution. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Smallc's post is interesting because it assumes the value of Canadian cultural products and it's a suggestion to defund the CBC not with the idea of saving federal tax dollars for the sake of saving money, but for spending it in what could be a more effective way. Quote
Smallc Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Thank you, cybercoma, for better communicating what I was saying. I don't think that CBC TV serves it's purpose anymore, even though CBC Radio seems to. I think that if the goal is to promote Canadian culture, to foster unity, and to celebrate who we are, the money can be far better spent. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 24, 2011 Report Posted August 24, 2011 Thank you, cybercoma, for better communicating what I was saying. I don't think that CBC TV serves it's purpose anymore, even though CBC Radio seems to. I think that if the goal is to promote Canadian culture, to foster unity, and to celebrate who we are, the money can be far better spent. You're welcome. I'm not entirely sure I agree with you. It's worth the discussion though. The problem with the suggestion, in my opinion, is that you can fund all of these cultural products, but if they don't have a venue, all of that funding is wasted. It might be better to fund the venue and let the productions sort themselves out on their own. I'm not really sure. Quote
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