M.Dancer Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 OTTAWA—The federal ethics commissioner has ruled former Conservative MP and junior cabinet minister Helena Guergis breached her ethical obligations in 2009 in writing Simcoe municipal officials to promote a business she knew could potentially benefit her husband Rahim Jaffer. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1024811--guergis-breached-federal-ethics-guidelines-report?bn=1 No surprise there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1024811--guergis-breached-federal-ethics-guidelines-report?bn=1 No surprise there What does Canada expect when they elect people out of the multi-cultural pool? These people come from nations where corruption is tradtition - did no one take that into account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 A reporter said she broke the "code" but not the law, unlike other members who have done far worse and have never paid for it. Again Harper has a double-standards in his caucus and these guys know Harper will be there to bail them out so much for accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 A reporter said she broke the "code" but not the law, unlike other members who have done far worse and have never paid for it. Again Harper has a double-standards in his caucus and these guys know Harper will be there to bail them out so much for accountability. Harper is establishment. If one of their lawyers breaks the crimminal code and wins a case - that's fine for them. This is just the way it works - may have always been this way - You don't figure it out until you are older and by then they have used up your life and dreams. If I would have known that those on top were disrespectful - I would have never respected them and would have fared better. - again - and this is a haunting phrase that never leaves me regarding law and ethics....as one lawyer said. "It may be immoral but it is legal" I guess that is their CODE - stupid me like you have always believed that laws were to enforce morality - not so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 Canada reminds me of the elite in Britan who believed if they shipped in cheap labour via immigration that some how that they would maintain their status quo - They over looked the fact that some of the immigrants were not like us - did not have tradtional Christian values and in the end would turn on them. Did no one do some cultural research or go visit the nations where the immigrants were coming from? We were brought up to be as honest as possible..not to harm - kill or steal...other were not and we opened the door to them. As I said - gaining political office in Pakistan or India grants the officer the privledge of manipulating the system. The reason that Guergis entered politics was not for the love of Canada but to use Canada for personal gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 What does Canada expect when they elect people out of the multi-cultural pool? These people come from nations where corruption is tradtition - did no one take that into account? This is ridiculous and offensive. Minorities are no more or less likely to get involved in corruption than WASP politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 This is ridiculous and offensive. Minorities are no more or less likely to get involved in corruption than WASP politicians. Yes - no so much our WASP politicans - but our old WASP buisness elite - They understand fully that you have to run an honest as possible ship - It is a British thing - once the Brits left India - did corruption increase or decrease...? I would say that with a less strick system - it increased. Forget the term Minority....India for instance will never be a minority - there are a billion of them! AND the will to surive and compete is strong because of the sheer numbers...of course those that enter politics in Canada (not all) look at our system as being up for grabs....okay Mulroney and the likes do like big brown envelopes of cash - I retract my protective of the ANGLOS statement - everybody is bad - happy now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 What does Canada expect when they elect people out of the multi-cultural pool? These people come from nations where corruption is tradtition - did no one take that into account? Thank you for having the courage to say this piece of truth. I know the PC crowd doesn't want to hear it, but these people come from cultures where corruption is a fact of life, and can't understand why we aren't that way. We need to squelch that in every instance. Time to up the penalties strongly. Cybercoma, you are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Thank you for having the courage to say this piece of truth. I know the PC crowd doesn't want to hear it, but these people come from cultures where corruption is a fact of life, and can't understand why we aren't that way. We need to squelch that in every instance. Time to up the penalties strongly. Cybercoma, you are wrong. What makes you think that a corrupt government in another country has anything to do with whether or not a minority in Canada, born and raised here, is going to be corrupt? Give your head a shake. For that matter, what makes you think the activities of a government in a country that people left has any reflection on them whatsoever, if they weren't born here. I guess Jean Chretien et al really showed how corrupt white Canadians are too then, right? Maybe Conrad Black is a good example of white people's ethics. Forget those examples, Helena Guergis is clearly not a minority... wait, let me guess, she's a race traitor for marrying Rahim Jaffer. She didn't know what she was doing and was being manipulated by those evil minorities, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleClassCentrist Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Fraud conviction? That's a preference on the CPC hiring commitee! Unethical behaviour is a requirement. Female with the above traits? GET OUT! Edited July 15, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 This is ridiculous and offensive. Minorities are no more or less likely to get involved in corruption than WASP politicians. How can it be "offensive" when it does not offend you? This vacarious way of looking at multi-culture is silly - YOU are not black - you are not gay - you are not a visable minority - so shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 How can it be "offensive" when it does not offend you? This vacarious way of looking at multi-culture is silly - YOU are not black - you are not gay - you are not a visable minority - so shut up. You can tell all that by the words on your monitor, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Fraud conviction? That's a preference on the CPC hiring commitee! Unethical behaviour is a requirement. Female with the above traits? GET OUT! It's gonna take more than ego centric female ambition and good hair - with Holt Renfrew accesories to be in politics...Guergis is simply not credible. She is not the servant type let alone the public servant type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 How exactly is female ambition different from male ambition? Oleg, are you just trying to be as much like a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal as possible now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 What does Canada expect when they elect people out of the multi-cultural pool? These people come from nations where corruption is tradtition - did no one take that into account? It was the NDP that called for the investigation, not the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 How exactly is female ambition different from male ambition? Oleg, are you just trying to be as much like a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal as possible now? Yes.... I have just as much disrespect for the strutting foolish male in an Armani suit - who is ego driven - as I do for some foolish female all decked out that is also ego driven and does not grasp the principles of public service. People who enter politics must have at least some messionic spirt..They have to be idealist that as children and then as adults want to save the world..or at least give it a good try. Guergis and her mate strike me as the type of overly fashionable people - who lust to be in the lime light and say "Look at me, I am a success" This seems to be all important to them - this pair are not like a Tommy Douglas or a Defienbacker..who sacraficed their private lives to make Canada better - we don't need ego-centric Barbi and Ken dolls ruling the rooste - glad the crooked little flakes are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Thank you for having the courage to say this piece of truth. I know the PC crowd doesn't want to hear it, but these people come from cultures where corruption is a fact of life, and can't understand why we aren't that way. We need to squelch that in every instance. Time to up the penalties strongly. Cybercoma, you are wrong. Thank you - in the past as I mentioned that I had known an old arms dealer - did not fully understand what he was till he was dead...What I also found out about this totally corrupt crook is that he was also at one time a finacial advisor to the government of all of INDIA..IF the government kept him on in that capacity - then for sure they were all totally corrupt.. Corruption in these OTHER nations is normal - those who are raised by parents from these nations or are themselves born in these second rate stink holes - are conditioned at an early age to take advantage of any positon you take...to breach federal ethics guidelines must have been easy for Guergis and her husband...after all it's normal in their world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 You can tell all that by the words on your monitor, eh? Don't use a monitor...I am what they call a mentalist. Give me one word and the rest comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 This is ridiculous and offensive. Minorities are no more or less likely to get involved in corruption than WASP politicians. Our WASPs are not crimminals - all their friends are lawyers and judges...you can not break the law if you are the law. The difference between "minority" carpet baggers and our more sophisticated Anglo carpet baggers is that they are highly skilled and professional about being crooks - minorities are ameteurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Just ditch the weasils that seek to be rich and famous through being elected - I like the people born with money to rule - nothing worse than ambitious and treacherous middle management screwing things up...Established rich people do not crave wealth the way a Guergis does...Just jettison any member that will say anything - do anything for money. We must have people who can not be bought running the nation. The title "The Honourable" which means up right and honest should be explained to some of these upstart twits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 This is ridiculous and offensive. Minorities are no more or less likely to get involved in corruption than WASP politicians. It depends on the minority. Either way, people still maintain the right to be judged as individuals, and not by association with this group or that group, whether it be cultural, linguistic, religious, racial, or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 A reporter said she broke the "code" but not the law, unlike other members who have done far worse and have never paid for it. Again Harper has a double-standards in his caucus and these guys know Harper will be there to bail them out so much for accountability. Am I the only one who never has a clue what you're talking about? It's simple, really, perhaps you didn't read the linked article. The very first paragraph really spells it out: The federal ethics commissioner has ruled former Conservative MP and junior cabinet minister Helena Guergis breached her ethical obligations in 2009 in writing Simcoe municipal officials to promote a business she knew could potentially benefit her husband Rahim Jaffer. What does this have to do with alleged "double standards" from Harper? Did you have something specific to say or is this just another incoherent rant where you go slashing against the metaphorical windmills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Helena Guergis is clearly not a minority... This is what I don't get about the 'multiculturalism' comments on this thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peeves Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 What does Canada expect when they elect people out of the multi-cultural pool? These people come from nations where corruption is tradtition - did no one take that into account? Like these upstanding European examples below?. The country of origin seldom dictates morality. We have a history of immigrants from many countries and I can't name one that hasn't had both fraud and morality. True, there are factions that have reputations as the Roma, but overall, you cannot just tar "nations"-foreigners as immoral or fraudulent or traditionally corrupt unless you care to prove that spurious claim. Sometimes, the sums were large, the benefits luxurious. A government minister, one of the richest men in the House of Commons, claimed $150,000 from the taxpayer to finance the mortgage on a "second home." (He already had seven.) A leading Tory repaired the moat around his stately home on expenses.Sometimes, the claims were trivial and comically embarrassing: tampons, diapers, the repair of leaky pipes, ice-cube trays ($2.50), hair straighteners ($150) and Scotch eggs ($1.25). Taxpayers unknowingly rented two pornographic movies for the husband of another Cabinet minister. A Tory spokesman on "skills and education" hired an electrician to change his light bulbs. (Cost to the taxpayer? About $225.) The worst claims bordered on the fraudulent -- and some stepped over that border. One MP claimed mortgage-interest payments of about $17,000 on a house that had no mortgage. Another took $55,000 in expenses on a necessary "second home" near Parliament, when his primary home was only a few hundred yards away. Many MPs "flipped" -- i.e., changed their homes from primary to secondary in order to receive second-home allowances. One MP flipped three times and got more than $150,000 of public money. Maybe the scandal's worst feature was how high and wide it went. Dubious or dodgy claims were made by Cabinet members, backbenchers and members of parties large and small. Prime Minister Gordon Brown claimed $8,000 to pay for his brother to clean his London apartment. My favorite example, though, is the case of Sinn Fein MPs from Northern Ireland who claimed about $750,000 in expenses to attend a Parliament that they refuse to attend on principle. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_O6rNe1oK7Uul37bFqbdP7M#ixzz1SNx9WHjU http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_O6rNe1oK7Uul37bFqbdP7M;jsessionid=DAAE9C227850112EEC17A2473CA60112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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