Moonlight Graham Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 This was released 2 years ago, but still very cool: tank man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 This was released 2 years ago, but still very cool: tank man that's a very powerful image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Lego version..... Tiananmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 The complete version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRb4VY2dU4c Obviously, the Chinese army was making effort avoid hurt that one. If this was any bonus army member in US, he would die at once. If this any Canadian touch any cops, he will be arrested at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 Obviously, the Chinese army was making effort avoid hurt that one. did you miss the part where an estimated 3000 civilians were killed during the protests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 did you miss the part where an estimated 3000 civilians were killed during the protests? Lie. Did you miss the part that 100 million aboriginals were killed in Americas by colonists? Did you miss the part how many innocent people killed in Afghanistan include Canadians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) Lie. Did you miss the part that 100 million aboriginals were killed in Americas by colonists? that was a pretty shitty and shameful act. it should be acknowledged. you are trying to point out hypocrisy, but then you become a hypocrite by somehow using that act to excuse or downplay another act of brutality. your hypocrisy weakens the main message you're trying to share. Edited July 2, 2011 by bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 that was a pretty shitty and shameful act. it should be acknowledged. you are trying to point out hypocrisy, but then you become a hypocrite by somehow using that act to excuse or downplay another act of brutality. your hypocrisy weakens the main message you're trying to share. Did you miss the part 5000 kids killed in Residential Schools? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) The complete version: Obviously, the Chinese army was making effort avoid hurt that one. If this was any bonus army member in US, he would die at once. If this any Canadian touch any cops, he will be arrested at once. In general, if the US or Canadian army/police arrest/take anyone, the person is entitled to due process - or at least treatment as a POW. The US/Canadian (Western) army/police do not deliberately, methodically kill civilians. With that said, depending on circumstances, I have no objection if the police/army of Western (civilized) countries shoot/kill civilians in times of insurrection. We in the West live in a civilized society, and we must protect it. ---- China may be 5000 years old, but is modern China a civilized society? Edited July 2, 2011 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 (edited) In general, if the US or Canadian army/police arrest/take anyone, the person is entitled to due process - or at least treatment as a POW. The US/Canadian (Western) army/police do not deliberately, methodically kill civilians. With that said, depending on circumstances, I have no objection if the police/army of Western (civilized) countries shoot/kill civilians in times of insurrection. We in the West live in a civilized society, and we must protect it. ---- China may be 5000 years old, but is modern China a civilized society? China is civilized more than you can understand, because you don't have those advanced knowledge. "Can you lay eggs?" the hen asked. "No," replied the duckling. "Can you purr and arch your back?" asked the cat."No." "Then what can you do?" they wanted to know. "I can swim," exclaimed the ugly duckling. "It's delightful to dive into the water and feel it all around you." "You must be crazy," said the cat and the hen. For the "civilized" western system, did any of the 5000 kids in residential schools died in a due process? Did those who died under the "civilized" small pox rugs died in a due process? Did Dudley George, die in a due process? Did Robert the poor Polish guy die in a due process? Did innocent civilians died under western bombs in Libya die in a due process? Did any one in Libya threat to anyone in Canada need you protect Canada by send army to Libya to kill those innocent people there? "Western civilized"? Even a western politician point out the nature of the western system: WOLVES: Even those who discounted suggestions he had been set up by enemies in the worlds of politics or international finance denounced the public humiliation of Mr Strauss-Kahn when he was paraded in handcuffs before television cameras. "He was thrown to the wolves," Mr Jospin said at the time. http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/europe/comeback-talk-for-disgraced-imf-leader Edited July 3, 2011 by bjre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Obviously, the Chinese army was making effort avoid hurt that one. Well, obviously that tank operator did not intend to deliberately harm the iconic "tank man". If this was any bonus army member in US, he would die at once. This is stupid. Peaceful protests take place all the time in free societies like America, and these governments don't call in the military to roll in with tanks to deal with the demonstrators. You seem to be implying that freedom to demonstrate and assemble is more heavily restricted in America than it is China. If that is your assertion, well... I really don't know how to respond to something so absurd. If this any Canadian touch any cops, he will be arrested at once. I wish that were true, but unfortunately Canadian cops don't do a good job in managing rioters and agitators. A recent example of the ineptitude of Canadian police can be seen in Vancouver where they stood by like a bunch of morons while rioters destroyed property, looted merchandise from stores, and overall wrought havoc after game seven of the Stanley Cup Finals. Again you seem to be trying to assert that Canada and the USA are actually less free to demonstrate than in China. This is quite ridiculous coming from someone who (I think) lives in Canada and is originally from China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Again you seem to be trying to assert that Canada and the USA are actually less free to demonstrate than in China. This is quite ridiculous coming from someone who (I think) lives in Canada and is originally from China. It is ridiculous that western countries blind to its own more serious problems and bad human rights records and keep blaming others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 It is ridiculous that western countries blind to its own more serious problems and bad human rights records and keep blaming others. Nobody is blaming China for anything. You're the one who went into a nonsensical series of posts in response to the OP, suggesting that someone China is a freer country than either Canada or the USA. You sure do have a strange tendency to misrepresent the truth when the discussion is related to human rights abuses in China. Perhaps you feel this is an act of loyalty to your state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Nobody is blaming China for anything. You're the one who went into a nonsensical series of posts in response to the OP, suggesting that someone China is a freer country than either Canada or the USA. You sure do have a strange tendency to misrepresent the truth when the discussion is related to human rights abuses in China. Perhaps you feel this is an act of loyalty to your state. It is not a question of loyalty to a country. It is a question of loyalty to the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Did you miss the part 5000 kids killed in Residential Schools? Sigh. But Bud is making no excuses for Canadian or European behaviour. Zero. None at all. You're the only one making excuses for awful behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Sigh. But Bud is making no excuses for Canadian or European behaviour. Zero. None at all. You're the only one making excuses for awful behaviour. Whether you or anyone else making excuses for some behavior that we can not control is not important. The important one is CIA still do that kind of things making riot in other nations such as recently in mideast, to make people conflict with government, now with facebook and twitter. They are the evil behind scene for most man-made disasters after WW2. And your support such evil behaviour, after you brainwashed by the mass media, make it possible for life lost in riots and following wars (such as in Libya, Kosowo, and many others) happen again and again. I support what Chinese gov did in 1989, that makes China stable and led to several hundreds of millions of people live a better life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjre Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Whether you or anyone else making excuses for some behavior that we can not control is not important. The important one is CIA still do that kind of things making riot in other nations such as recently in mideast, to make people conflict with government, now with facebook and twitter. They are the evil behind scene for most man-made disasters after WW2. And your support such evil behaviour, after you brainwashed by the mass media, make it possible for life lost in riots and following wars (such as in Libya, Kosowo, and many others) happen again and again. I support what Chinese gov did in 1989, that makes China stable and led to several hundreds of millions of people live a better life. Instead of die in wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bandelot Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 It is not a question of loyalty to a country. It is a question of loyalty to the facts. bjre is like the tank man of this forum. Bravely he stands up against all of you, and never surrenders. I have seen many cowardly dogs insult him for his broken english. But he keeps coming back to speak his mind. Anyone who stands against the herd of cattle and is willing to speak up for what they believe, despite being ridiculed is worthy of praise and gets my support, because they will not give in to political lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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