Fun with Flotillas Pt II

DogOnPorch · July 1, 2011

who is this clown? where do you get off with these types of comments?

you're like a foxnews pundit, jacked up on retard.

dre's standard response to the Mufti's involvement in the conflict is a big LOL. Maybe you'd like to deny his role, too. You seem like the type.

dre · July 1, 2011

dre's standard response to the Mufti's involvement in the conflict is a big LOL. Maybe you'd like to deny his role, too. You seem like the type.

Not at all. My standard response is a laugh at YOU. No matter how many times you back-pedal your bright orange tricycle off the edge of the same shit-precipice, its still damn funny to watch.

jbg · July 1, 2011

Water is a factor in the 1967 War...but it wasn't the casus belli of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

For example...point out where water is a factor in this exchange.

Hitler and Husseini no doubt drank water from time to time.

jbg · July 1, 2011

...jacked up on retard.

Explain the meaning of this phrase. Or is it uniquely in the Canadian language?

DogOnPorch · July 1, 2011

Not at all. My standard response is a laugh at YOU. No matter how many times you back-pedal your bright orange tricycle off the edge of the same shit-precipice, its still damn funny to watch.

Making the Mufti a non-issue in the Arab-Israeli conflict is like saying pucks aren't essential to the game of hockey. Your denial of his involvement shows you're just another revisionist who is happy to take the scissors to history to bend it to fit your anti-Israeli agenda.

Edited July 1, 2011 by DogOnPorch

DogOnPorch · July 1, 2011

Hitler and Husseini no doubt drank water from time to time.

No doubt. But, Hitler liked dogs and children.

DogOnPorch · July 1, 2011

Explain the meaning of this phrase. Or is it uniquely in the Canadian language?

Just Hamas fans...

jbg · July 1, 2011

Just Hamas fans...

I thought that was Canadian for something in English.

dre · July 1, 2011

Hitler and Husseini no doubt drank water from time to time.

Ill respond to you on this point because you deserve that... I just laugh at DOP's rants about this.

I dont deny the connection between the Nazis and arabs at that time. The context here is that in the past DOP has alledged that the millions of people living in the occupied territories TODAY are a "Nazi Movement", and suggests that the entire reason for this conflict is because the Arabs have an insane hatred of jews, because more than two generations ago some of them collaborated with German Nazis :lol:

It has nothing to do with both sides believing they had a right to the same piece of land. Nothing to do with both sides competing for the same resources... nothing to do with all the water under the bridge and the endless horrible things both sides have done to each other in the past. Noooooo.... Its all because of the MUFTI!!! :lol:

1/4 of the world had ties to the Nazis :lol: . And less than 10% of the people living in the occupied territories today were even alive then. Some of these people have done some pretty horrible things, and many of them are certainly racist bigots and scumbags... but that has nothing at all to do with Adolph Hitler. Theyve been fighting with Jews over land and resources for nearly a century.

NEWS FLASH: You guys dont particularly like each other and are scrapping over a chunk of realestate and some water.

Edited July 1, 2011 by dre

DogOnPorch · July 1, 2011

Gotta luv it. Apologizing for Islamofascists.

dre: I dont deny the connection between the Nazis and arabs at that time. The context here is that in the past DOP has alledged that the millions of people living in the occupied territories TODAY are a "Nazi Movement", and suggests that the entire reason for this conflict is because the Arabs have an insane hatred of jews, because more than two generations ago some of them collaborated with German Nazis.

Gosh...they only cooperated with the Nazis a little. But they don't have any of those

these days. They aren't giving the National Socialist salute...they're just saying "hiya friend".

So...dre...at what point in history did this amazing transformation from National Socialist to misunderstood militant occur?

Edited July 1, 2011 by DogOnPorch

bud · July 1, 2011

Gotta luv it. Apologizing for Islamofascists.

Gosh...they only cooperated with the Nazis a little. But they don't have any of those

these days. They aren't giving the National Socialist salute...they're just saying "hiya friend".
So...dre...at what point in history did this amazing transformation from National Socialist to misunderstood militant occur?

shut up with this mufti crap.

one person's collaboration, who did not represent palestinians, does not give you the right to be a liar.

what about the peoples and governments of france, italy, romania, croatia, bulgaria, switzerland, etc. who all collaborated openly with the nazis?

do you know of any idiots sitting behind the computer announcing that the people from these countries are nazis because at some point the government of these countries (and not just one person) collaborated with the nazis?

no. so shut up already with your illogical bs.

it's unfair, if not outright criminal, to exploit mufti's conduct in order to eternally condemn the palestinian people as nazis, while ignoring the choices made by most european peoples and governments who openly collaborated with the nazis.

what about lehi's contact and proposed alliance with the nazis? do you ever bring that up? what about the weapons they purchased from fascist italy in order to attack the british?

On 11 January 1941, Vice Admiral Ralf von der Marwitz, the German Naval attaché in Turkey, filed a report (the "Ankara document") conveying an offer by Lehi to "actively take part in the war on Germany's side" in return for German support for "the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich."

link

does this make you and the rest of jews, nazi supporters? of course not you idiot.

DogOnPorch · July 1, 2011

The biggest anti-Semite on this forum chimes in right on time begging me to stop mentioning the Mufti. Priceless. So how's the Sea Hitler doing anyways? Been boarded by 'Zionists' yet?

:lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSUEx1cKUlg

bud · July 1, 2011

The biggest anti-Semite on this forum chimes in right on time begging me to stop mentioning the Mufti. Priceless. So how's the Sea Hitler doing anyways? Been boarded by 'Zionists' yet?

so you will not address the points made about europeans who collaborated with the nazis. the jewish group that collaborated with the nazis and you will hang on to your weak propaganda?

that's fine. it's not expected of you to be honest.

bud · July 1, 2011

you realize, dogonporch, by your amazing, super duper logic, since the stern gang (a jewish terrorist group) collaborated with fascists and nazis, this makes you (a jew) also a nazi.

DogOnPorch · July 1, 2011

you realize, dogonporch, by your amazing, super duper logic, since the stern gang (a jewish terrorist group) collaborated with fascists and nazis, this makes you (a jew) also a nazi.

I'm not Jewish. In fact...you got it backwards...but then you are rather predictable that way.

so you will not address the points made about europeans who collaborated with the nazis. the jewish group that collaborated with the nazis and you will hang on to your weak propaganda?
that's fine. it's not expected of you to be honest.

What was the 3rd Reich's response to Avraham Stern's fantasy about helping them? Oh, that's right...nothing. I can see why neither Haganah nor Irgun trusted him. Wasn't it Haganah that turned him into the British? By golly it was.

Meanwhile, the Mufti isn't propaganda. Like his friends and fellow Nazis, Himmler and Eichmann, he existed and did his bit to further the Holocaust. Especially in the Balkans to the tune of 500,000+ dead when the Mufti had Eichmann reverse the Axis Minors' plan to allow their Jews to escape to the Levant. Can't have that, eh? Seeing your attitude towards Zionism, you'd have no doubt been helping him in his task in the same fashion you support Hamas and Hezbollah.

"Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of the Jews. The answer I got was, The Jews are yours."

Rue · July 1, 2011

shut up with this mufti crap.

one person's collaboration, who did not represent palestinians, does not give you the right to be a liar.

no. so shut up already with your illogical bs.

it's unfair, if not outright criminal, to exploit mufti's conduct

Uh yah. Bud maybe you want to join me on the thread about the gay pride parade and Mayobr Bob Ford. You sound like you would fit right in with us on that one.

Bud yer losing it. Calm down. You know you keep this up I will never introduce you to Sara Silverman and let me tell you in person she is hot. I saw her. She smells real good too. She has great teeth. OK no one has Halle Berry's teeth but almost as nice.

BC_chick · July 1, 2011

It has nothing to do with both sides believing they had a right to the same piece of land. Nothing to do with both sides competing for the same resources... nothing to do with all the water under the bridge and the endless horrible things both sides have done to each other in the past. Noooooo.... Its all because of the MUFTI!!!

I totally agree. I don't think the Arabs would have fought any less if it were Americans, Europeans, or Chinese who wanted to move in and take their land.

DOP is a one-trick pony when it comes to the Mufti.

Bob · July 1, 2011

I totally agree. I don't think the Arabs would have fought any less if it were Americans, Europeans, or Chinese who wanted to move in and take their land.

DOP is a one-trick pony when it comes to the Mufti.

"Move in and take their land", eh? I love terrorist apologists like yourself. In other words, you can't blame the Arabs for waging war after war of aggression to destroy the nascent Jewish state, and then running an endless campaign of terror and anti-Semitic propaganda concurrently with their political warfare.

Let's say the Chinese "moved in to take their land", and the Arabs engaged in the same time of demonization of the Chinese as they've been doing for centuries against the Jewish people, would that make the Arabs any better of a society? So because they engage in hatred and incitement, it's understandable because in your warped view of this conflict it is a response to having "their land" taken from them? I'll never understand how apologists like who make ceaseless excuses for failed cultures and inferior societies that are predicated on hatred. You're basically conceding that you're just like them.

What's next, the Nazis weren't really anti-Semitic because they would've picked on another minority had it not been the Jews? This is high-school level argumentation.

Edited July 1, 2011 by Bob

Bob · July 1, 2011

It's quite transparent how desperately the usual crowd tries to wash over the Mufti's association with the Nazis. As if "Palestinian" and the broader Arab/Muslim societies are overwhelmingly anti-Semitic.

Any cursory examination of their cultures instantly reveals anti-Semitic themes that are common. Don't believe me? Go watch MEMRI or Palestine Media Watch videos that display the kind of hate messages and incitement that are prevalent. Go check out theInstitute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in Education that reports on incitement in Palestinian education. It's there for you to see, there is no more excuse to be ignorant.

Dre, bud, and BC_Chick would have us believe that hatred, incitement, and indoctrination is either a) non-existent, exaggerated, or c) just like in Israeli and Jewish societies. If anything, anti-Semitism among the Arabs/Muslim is so much worse today than it was in the days of Mufti, considering their usage of the internet and other telecommunications to spread their hatred. Anti-Semitism and incitement isn't a phenomenon or relic of the past, it's a phenomenon of TODAY and it's regularly getting worse.

BC_chick · July 1, 2011

Likewise, Bob, I can't believe how much the Israel-apologists try to negate the land and territory aspect of this war.

Do you really believe that the Arabs would've openened their arms and agreed to give away their land if it were European or Chinese who had decided Palestine belongs to them?

Bob · July 1, 2011

so you will not address the points made about europeans who collaborated with the nazis. the jewish group that collaborated with the nazis and you will hang on to your weak propaganda?

that's fine. it's not expected of you to be honest.

You'd have a point is virulent anti-Semitism wasn't a fundamental tenet or Arab/Muslim society. The Mufti is just one historical of the manifestation of this widespread prejudice. Since contemporary European society doesn't have nearly the volume, intensity, and widespread acceptance of anti-Semitism as does Arab/Muslim society, you have no argument.

You're trying to suggest (and it's like you're ignorant enough to believe this) that anti-Semitism is no more prevalent among the Arab/Muslim society than any other group of people in this world. That's just not the case. When I start seeing hundreds and thousands of ordinary Canadians chanting "death to the Jews!" after their Sunday morning prayers on a regular basis, the Ottawa Citizen regularly running reports about how the Mossad and Zionists were responsible for 9/11 and send sharks into Egyptian water to murder tourists, universities rewriting history and defining "real Jews" from "fake Jews", and our politicians regularly espousing the evil of the Jews, you'll have a point. Until then, DogOnPorch's references to the Mufti are fair game, because anti-Semitism in the Arab/Muslim world is worse than it's ever been. Try all you want to spread the lie that only a tiny minority of these people are consumed with these prejudices, because many of us know better.

Bob · July 1, 2011

Likewise, Bob, I can't believe how much the Israel-apologists try to negate the land and territory aspect of this war.

Do you really believe that the Arabs would've openened their arms and agreed to give away their land if it were European or Chinese who had decided Palestine belongs to them?

You'd have a point if it was their land to give in the first place. You'd have an even better point if the issue of Jewish statelessness at the time was non-existent. We've had enough of your pogroms, expulsions, and death camps, thank you very much. It was nice while it lasted, but enough was enough. I could care less if some Arabs were opposed to our reclamation of our land and our reestablishment of our state, and ongoing rejection of Arab/Muslim imperialism. You know, they could've been a part of this country, but they chose war, and continue to make that choice every day. And the rest, as they say, is history.

BC_chick · July 1, 2011

Well, that's a great answer, Bob.... if the question I had posed was whether or not you believe the land that the Arabs were fighting for belonged to them.

But that's not what I asked. I asked if you think they would have put up less of a fight if it were any non-Jewish ethnicity had decided that they want that territory.

You guys are the ones throwing around the Mufti/Nazi/anti-semitic argument... I'd like to see you back it up.

Do you honestly believe it was anti-semitism that made the Arabs fight for their land (*whether or not you agree that was their land*) or are you willing to acknowledge, just a little bit, that they would have fought equally hard not matter who had decided to buy Palestine?

Let's see if you answer my question this time or if you'll deflect once again.

Edited July 1, 2011 by BC_chick

Bob · July 1, 2011

Nobody is disagreeing that the Arabs/Muslims view this land as their own (a false narrative you have tacitly accepted) and that they would likely fight others engaging in what the Arab/Muslims perceive as infidels unjustifiably living independently.

Would the Arabs/Muslims have concocted a similar culture of incitement and hatred towards another group? It's likely. Would they have engaged in historical revisionism and denigrated the others group regularly at all levels of their society? Perhaps.

What's strange is that you think that this reality somehow bodes well for the Arabs/Muslims. As if somehow their hatred (which I invite you to learn about, I posted some links above) would have been just as vicious and sickening against another group had it been another group reclaiming their land and independence in Israel. is that really a point in favour of the Arab/Muslim narrative? That's what your argumentation boils down to - that they would have engaged in just as vicious a campaign of war, terrorism, and incitement to hatred of any group they viewed as unjustifiably living independently in land they falsely to be their own. It's as if their propensity to this cultural sickness of hatred somehow deflects from the reality - rampant anti-Semitism with deep roots going much deeper than just Israel. "They would've engaged in the same campaign of mass murder and incitement to hatred, no matter who established Israel, so it's ok!". You're also completely glossing over how the indoctrination of hatred in these societies perpetuates and exacerbates the conflict, and is one of the primary (if not THE primary) drivers of the conflict today.

dre · July 1, 2011

Nobody is disagreeing that the Arabs/Muslims view this land as their own (a false narrative you have tacitly accepted) and that they would likely fight others engaging in what the Arab/Muslims perceive as infidels unjustifiably living independently.

Would the Arabs/Muslims have concocted a similar culture of incitement and hatred towards another group? It's likely. Would they have engaged in historical revisionism and denigrated the others group regularly at all levels of their society? Perhaps.

What's strange is that you think that this reality somehow bodes well for the Arabs/Muslims. As if somehow their hatred (which I invite you to learn about, I posted some links above) would have been just as vicious and sickening against another group had it been another group reclaiming their land and independence in Israel. is that really a point in favour of the Arab/Muslim narrative? That's what your argumentation boils down to - that they would have engaged in just as vicious a campaign of war, terrorism, and incitement to hatred of any group they viewed as unjustifiably living independently in land they falsely to be their own. It's as if their propensity to this cultural sickness of hatred somehow deflects from the reality - rampant anti-Semitism with deep roots going much deeper than just Israel. "They would've engaged in the same campaign of mass murder and incitement to hatred, no matter who established Israel, so it's ok!". You're also completely glossing over how the indoctrination of hatred in these societies perpetuates and exacerbates the conflict, and is one of the primary (if not THE primary) drivers of the conflict today.

You're also completely glossing over how the indoctrination of hatred in these societies perpetuates and exacerbates the conflict

Youre the POSTER child for that Bobby. :lol:

That's what your argumentation boils down to - that they would have engaged in just as vicious a campaign of war, terrorism, and incitement to hatred of any group

ANYONE in their position would have done that or worse. And youre perfectly willing to use violence and death to defend YOUR claim to that piece of crap realestate... Why would expect anything different from them? It would have been the same thing if you had decided you were going to build your country in Nebraska or Manitoba, or Scottland. In fact most people would have fought harder. The palestinians are pussycats next to what you would have faced anywhere else.

Edited July 1, 2011 by dre